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Topic: Logical Fallacies of Government Shutdown
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iQ
Moderator Posts: 5736
From: Lyra
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 22, 2018 02:08 PM
  
1. Customs and Border Guards as well as ICE agents also do not get paid.
Over a period of time, this will result in corruption, and more illegal immigration, especially of dangerous drug dealers throwing wads of cash to impoverished CBP and ICE Agents.2. Government Shutdowns always hurt the Party in Power, no matter whose fault it is or perceived. 3. Trump owned this Shutdown on Live TV, so all his rage tweeting will not work now. This hurts GOP electoral prospects as more independents shift to Dems. 4. If Trump thought shutting down government will shut down financing for Mueller, he is mistaken as Mueller "Self-Financed" the probe for many more months thanks to seizing Paul Manafort's ill gotten loot. 5. The US is under threat of Putin sponsored Chinese hackers. If they take out the US Power Grid in peak winter, with a shut down in place, it will be a tragedy of epic proportions. And no new investigators to find or prevent chaos due to the Shut Down. 6. Soldiers won't get paid, again hurting GOP Prospects in the 2020 Senate Race. 7. The previous shut down was over 3.4 billion for healthcare, so demanding 5 billion now is illogical especially when Trump promised to make Mexico pay for the Wall. Edit: I found a quote on Fox & Friends by a popular man on 20th September 2013:
"If there is a Government Shutdown, The President should be Fired".
Quoted on TV by Donald Trump. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 12352
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 22, 2018 04:36 PM
Demorats are the party of big government.Shyster Schumer and Nancy Pee-Lousy will crack under the pressure and sign off on $5 Billion for wall construction. Give it about 2 weeks. Time American taxpayers found out just how many federal employees it really takes to run the US Government...so, shut it down and keep it shut down until demorats regain their sanity. Oh btw, the shutdown is only for non-essential employees in the federal government..which is about 25% of the federal workforce. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 22, 2018 04:51 PM
Meanwhile those on border duty wil be spending christmas at work without pay. As we ALL know, DT OWNED PROUDLY this shutdown; his own majority Senate refused to go nuclear as he demanded, and by his own estimation, he is a weak president who can't control his own party. Of course we all understand that you want to blame Dems tho they are still in the minority. Do you not understand that that shows how strong you consider them? Are they David to the Repub Goliath monolith? It takes a big man to sacrifice the smallest in his force at christmas for his own face saving. Mostly those who can't afford to lose their paychecks for even a week are those 800k who are affected. Very Big Man. Not. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 22, 2018 09:04 PM
And today he acknowledged in a tweet (if he wasn't lying) that the wall is unnecessary. "Border is tight!"So are the christmas budgets of close to a million fed employees including his marvelous border patrol.. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 12352
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 22, 2018 09:49 PM
No one will be working without pay. That's bullshiite. They will be paid...including the non-essential employees when the budgets for their agencies are passed.Leave it to leftists to blow everything up out of proportion. If anyone shouldn't get paid it's members of Congress who oppose the border wall to protect America from the illegal alien invasion. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11174
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 08:39 AM
I WILL PROUDLY OWN THE SHUTDOWN : the don So be it; just stop whining and sniffling the democrats did it.  ------------------
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juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11174
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 08:46 AM
AND MEXICO WILL PAY FOR IT.... the donSo why hammer on Congress for border wall security $$?? What boneheads can`t see the forked tongue lying devil the don is.  The illusion he cares about America is now a delusion and too many folks carry the brain sick burden like a monkey on their backs/lives. Sad indeed ------------------
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 106099
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 10:35 AM
There are many ways that Mexico will pay us back for the wall.IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 23, 2018 11:14 AM
Mexico is not paying for the wall. The caravan crisis appears to have been averted WITHOUT THE WALL. Sure, people will be paid, when everything is back to normal. Christmas is this week. Meanwhile the Proposed wall would be an environmental disaster, commandeer private property and habitat refuges, and AGAIN, DT has indirectly admitted WE DONT NEED IT. Except to preserve his delicate flower of an EGO. What's a few more species when DonBoy's pride is at stake? The biggest military in the world and you guys are scared of a bunch of peasants. Get a grip IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 11647
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
I WILL PROUDLY OWN THE SHUTDOWN : the don So be it; just stop whining and sniffling the democrats did it.
Yep. He also boasted on twitter, that the agents have been doing SO well, that nobody is getting through... he admitted that we don't need a stupid wall. Also: if he still builds the stupid thing, how many people would be losing precious jobs? Those agents that are doing such a good job. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 23, 2018 01:41 PM
That 5 billion will come out of our pockets. Hows he going to repay us?IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 106099
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 03:47 PM
Are you that dense? The money is in the coffers no matter how it is spent.IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 23, 2018 04:17 PM
I can think of better uses for it. And I am nowhere near as dense as you are smug and rudeMoney where mouth is time. Get mexico to pay for it Up Front as promised or shut the eff up and pay for it yourself DonWan. Without stealing people's property for pennies on the dollar, or extinguishing protected species. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 23, 2018 04:21 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-trump-reaga n-border-wall-government-shutdown-20181221-story.html? And while Reagan did mull creating a ditch at the border, he never called for a wall — he called for the opposite. “Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don’t we work out some recognition of our mutual problems? Make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit, and they, while they’re working and earning here, they’d pay taxes here. And when they want to go back, they can go back. They can cross. Open borders both ways,” he said in 1980.
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juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11174
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Are you that dense? The money is in the coffers no matter how it is spent.
Which has nothing nada zero to do with the don owning the shutdown... or the citizens wanting to rape coffers of their hard earned money for a wall. No denseness just common sense there is a snake in the woodpile. ------------------
Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 106099
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 06:21 PM
Hypocrisy much? A wall which those same Dems wanted just years ago. And Obama shut down the government for 16 days over Obamacare. *crickets*IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 23, 2018 06:28 PM
No one will be working without pay. That's bullshiite. They will be paid...including the non-essential employees when the budgets for their agencies are passed.-jwhopDHS estimates that 5,975 Secret Service employees are working without pay at the moment, out of 7,222 total Secret Service employees, according to DHS' contingency plan. The rest are furloughed. Additionally, DHS estimates 54,935 Customs and Border Protection employees, out of 60,109 total employees, are working without pay for the time being. The remainder are furloughed. DHS also said 16,254 employees will continue to work during the shutdown, out of 20,052 employees total. They will be paid, sure. But when? IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 23, 2018 07:23 PM
The republicans planned and manouvered extensively to force a shutdown in October 2013. There was a great deal of talk about it at the time. Obama did not welcome a shutdown. Dems have argued extensively AGAINST a shutdown. The House tried again -and again to gut the law of the land that was Obamacare by DEfunding it... while this year's REPUB congress have just not agreed between the houses But of course if Obama did it (even tho an different situation) it must be ok.. the last ditch defense of the indefensible. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 23, 2018 08:53 PM
Bob Corker :
Most Republicans want to deal with the DREAMers," Corker told CNN. "This is a made-up fight so the president can look like he’s fighting. Even if he wins, our borders won't be secure." http://news.internet.apps.samsung.com/?news=https://va.newsrepublic.net/a6638332557505069317/? IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 106099
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 08:54 PM
Obama did it, but that doesn't make it okay--it just makes the Dems hypocrites. Where was the concern about people's pay then?IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 11647
From:
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Hypocrisy much? A wall which those same Dems wanted just years ago. And Obama shut down the government for 16 days over Obamacare. *crickets*
If this is true: did you agree with democrats wanting that wall? Did you cheer them? Why didn't they get it, since the republicans are so keen on it? And rump said the only person who should lose their job during a government shutdown, is the president. When it shut down under Obama. So where is his resignation? IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 11647
From:
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 09:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Obama did it, but that doesn't make it okay--it just makes the Dems hypocrites. Where was the concern about people's pay then?
Oh, I remember the pubbies going mad over that. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 106099
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 09:53 PM
I can assure you the Republicans didn't advocate for open borders. The only difference was that the Dems cared about border security, and now they only care about opposing anything President Trump does--the American citizens' safety be damned.IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 106099
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2018 09:55 PM
And it is "costing" the taxpayers $5.3 billion every three months to pay for the illegal aliens that are still crossing our borders. Comparatively speaking, relative to the total budget, if you made $100,000 a year and wanted to pay for a new lock on the garage door to keep out unwanted "guests," it would cost just over $8 a month. And we spend more on food stamps in a month than President Trump wants for the wall in a year. How's that for a logical fallacy?IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 23, 2018 10:44 PM
I realize Corker is out of favor with the Trompers.. but he is a Republican Senator unlike yourself. I'll take his inside info over yours thanks all the same. If you are a senator maybe you should spend more time on the job and less on LL... 😘IP: Logged |
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