posted August 04, 2019 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Oh sure. Couldn't be the racist President.

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posted August 04, 2019 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I don't think racism means what you think it means. Are you a parrot, or a thinking human being? Also, CNN recently called Obama the most divisive President in history.

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I don't think you know what it means.

posted August 04, 2019 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
If We look at the few members of G.U. and review how polarized it has become and multiply it x 1000 ,you can see how the american mass's are feeling.

Libratards, demorats , lefty loons or trumpsters is only a taste of how driven people are to be pigheaded, place blame and renounce civility and facts.

Media magnification and If you dont look like me, speak my language, belive like me you are "pick an ugly name" s.o.b..

This sociaty can only fail ... no matter who its leaders are.

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posted August 04, 2019 09:02 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Well, the righties will love this: http://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/ I'm surprised they haven't posted it already.

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Teasel, Antifa groups have been discussing this all day. I didn't post it because 1) I can't prove it without doxing myself and 2) unlike you and BR, I'm not overly eager to broadcast this freak's ideology to prop up a political position.

Maybe reconsider the spectacle loving drama queen approach? Maybe tending to the dire straits we're *all* in is more important than these gotcha games?

posted August 04, 2019 09:40 PM            

I remember hearing that #metoo had gone too far (here as well, unless it involved hollywood- then it was welcome, and big news). These mass shooters, most of them have been guilty of domestic violence, too. the one from Dayton shot his sister and her boyfriend. The other people it seems, were just extra. How and where did he get his guns? I remember trump cutting some kind of protections when it came to background checks or mental health checks - they didn't care if crazy people got guns. All to save more money for the rich. But also, please, let's ask ourselves why these poor white boys are so angry, instead of doing what we can to protect their victims.

posted August 04, 2019 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Well, the righties will love this: http://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/ I'm surprised they haven't posted it already.

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it doesn't really matter if he was a leftist or on the right, they all have their manifestos and mass shootings on both sides are bound to happen as people decide to make statements

posted August 04, 2019 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
If We look at the few members of G.U. and review how polarized it has become and multiply it x 1000 ,you can see how the american mass's are feeling.

Libratards, demorats , lefty loons or trumpsters is only a taste of how driven people are to be pigheaded, place blame and renounce civility and facts.

Media magnification and If you dont look like me, speak my language, belive like me you are "pick an ugly name" s.o.b..

This sociaty can only fail ... no matter who its leaders are.

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all societies eventually do fail, on the bright side there's potential for whatever comes out of the ashes of a society that's collapsed even if what was went to hell

posted August 04, 2019 10:19 PM            

unpopular opinion here but i don't think someone's history in regards to crimes or sexual deviancy necessarily makes them incapable of being a leader and making important judgment calls in other situations

people can be absolutely horrible in their private life and then still do their job well (not speaking about trump necessarily i know how you feel about the job he's doing, just in general terms)

yes rape is horrible and completely wrong, but does sexual misconduct mean you can't make a call on the economy? i don't think it does

and maybe that sounds callous but i think people can do ****** up **** while simultaneously doing worthwhile things because people are multi-faceted and life isn't so black and white

i'm not insensitive to sexual abuse or **** like rape on any level, i've been through plenty of **** so know that i'm not coming from some ignorant place where you can just say "well you're a guy so..." because i've dealt with **** from both men and women and i know better than plenty of people

with that in mind i still wouldn't say this person did something like that so in an unrelated area they can't do something positive or what they're supposed to do

arguably better mental health care would do more than gun control, and maybe people who are concerned about gun violence should consider donating money and time and creating a charity that works with people who have mental illness and violent histories who could be at risk of becoming one of these shooters and give them a place and people to turn to instead of trying to take away constitutional rights

it's more productive to actually do something than it is to **** over massive amounts of people just because of what the mentally ill do

if health care isn't good enough and all of these people say they want to pay higher taxes why don't they put up the money to start something productive and pay into that

why expect the government to do it instead of being pro-active and those of us who are fine with the current laws and accept that sometimes crimes happen can go on with our lives unaffected?

i find it baffling how many people i hear talk about how they'd gladly pay higher taxes in order for the government to take care of things instead of reaching into their own pockets and trying to do things themselves

everyone doesn't need to pay for their ideals and the government doesn't need to be involved either

part of the problem is people don't ******* take care of themselves (or even each other, even the ones who are vocal about how much they care about the well being of others why are so many of them against starting charities and movements and actually ******* doing something? instead they want everyone else to do and pay for it it's crazy)

posted August 05, 2019 01:09 AM            

You can’t force everyone into mental health care either, they have to want to engage with it. Many sociopathic people will simply not engage. It’s not as simple as you think it is.

posted August 05, 2019 01:11 AM            

What a world we’re living in lol

posted August 05, 2019 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
And yet I see no move by republicans to improve mental health care either.

You can’t force everyone into mental health care either, they have to want to engage with it. Many sociopathic people will simply not engage. It’s not as simple as you think it is.

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well we do have a health care system in place currently and mental health is a part of that, but if that's not good enough then people who care and would willingly volunteer other people's money when it comes to taxes could reach into their pockets and figure something out

you're right you can't force adults into therapy, that's what the anime and prostitutes are for, trust me i've spoken to a lot of the kinds of people who end up being shooters like this and the people who praise them

i frequent anononymous messageboards (and have for over a decade) and talk politics on them when i'm bored and **** post and whatnot, lots of nazis and **** all over those

hell there was one time i was on one and this guy was actively posting pictures of a woman he murdered, i was in the thread and then found out it was totally legit (thought it was a joke, most people did)

so as someone who's very familiar with these kinds of people i'm being real with you when i say this:

more than half of them just need to get out of their ******* house and get laid and interact with other people to drastically improve their situation

but shooters aside there's plenty of people with mental health issues that are unchecked and people who claim to care about that situation deeply should probably put their money where their mouths are and make an effort without the government to at least provide options for people

i'm definitely not a russian troll, and i'm not sure why you think i'm trolling

i think people should do things without forcing others to participate by having a government steal money from them through taxation and simultaneously infringing on constitutional rights for what's ultimately a multi-faceted issue where the weapons aren't the real problem

you disliking my views doesn't mean i'm trolling

edit: i never said it was necessarily simple, but there's definitely more productive ways to go about dealing with problems that don't involve running to your government and begging them to parent everyone and take away the framework of the ******* country you're in just because some people were killed

the reality is you **** with the constitution in one area where you just don't like something then you're setting a precedent where you can **** with more of it

you don't seem to grasp how many potential consequences that can have

it's not just about taking away the 2nd amendment (and gun control laws are already the government infringing on that) it's opening up other ****

i guess if people don't want free speech we should whine about that too until someone takes it away

and **** freedom of press right?

while we're at let's get rid of the 4th amendment may as well let the government in even further

creating a nanny state isn't the solution and neither is getting rid of guns

it's understanding the people who are doing these shootings and working on improving the social issues that are creating the problems

posted August 05, 2019 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I try not to be rude, and your own friend Shura is divisive. None of us is out there shooting anyone. As far as I know...

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Teasel, i was referencing this forum in relation to the anger and divisiveness society is feeling.
No one was called out by name... no need, we know who we are.

Shura can be divisive, passionate, rude and a pain in yer butt.

BUT, she is also a kind and passionate about her family, child, friends and a good soul all around.

Yes,is my friend.

posted August 05, 2019 03:55 PM            

More sniveling hysterical horseshiiite.

Everyone knows Elizabeth Warren is responsible for the shootings in Ohio.

posted August 05, 2019 03:59 PM            

diversity and divisive ...
... the sacred and the profane.

posted August 05, 2019 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Trump's response today is pathetic, not addressing his own part in these shootings."

More sniveling hysterical horseshiiite.

Everyone knows Elizabeth Warren is responsible for the shootings in Ohio.

As for the El Paso shootings, the shooter acknowledged his political opinions were formed long before Trump became a candidate for President.

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Oh, wait: you're ready to blame Elizabeth Warren, but not look at the **** ton of ******** that your president has produced over the last four years? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

posted August 05, 2019 04:11 PM            

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The current, and (to date) most debased, phase of the Trump presidency—the phase that includes the unceasing demonization of minority legislators and the endorsement of North Korean communism—began, in retrospect, on May 8, in the Florida Panhandle, at a rally in Panama City. It was there that Donald Trump gave tacit approval to the use of violence against immigrants.

The Panama City rally was not particularly remarkable, as Trump rallies go. His message was typically soulless. He tried to provoke feelings of deep insecurity among his followers, in the style of an expert populist preacher, and he stroked their egos by referring to them as America’s true elite. At times, his rhetoric was uglier in degree, though not in kind, than normal. He scapegoated Puerto Rico; he encouraged the crowd in its call to imprison Hillary Clinton; he praised Republican Senator Marco Rubio, whom he has neutered; he shared his jumbled thoughts about General Motors; he stated, fantastically, “We believe in the rule of law.”

Late in his disorderly presentation, as he discussed the work of Border Patrol officers, he raised, and then dismissed, the idea of allowing them to use violence against migrants.

“And don’t forget—we don’t let them and we can’t let them use weapons,” he said. “We can’t. Other countries do. We can’t. I would never do that. But how do you stop these people? You can’t. There’s—”

It was then that he was interrupted by a woman in the crowd. “Shoot them!” she yelled.

The president found this funny, as did his audience. “That’s only in the Panhandle you can get away with that stuff.” He stopped for a moment to take in the crowd’s roaring approval. “Only in the Panhandle!” he repeated.

It is worth pausing on the choice that was available to the president at that moment. Trump was faced by a person in the crowd who argued for the murder of immigrants. He could have, in the manner of John McCain, used a foul moment to teach a lesson about the moral necessity of nonviolence and rhetorical restraint. But he is in many ways McCain’s characterological opposite, and so he encouraged—in the greasy, joking-not-joking style he has perfected—the normalization of violence.

This most recent phase of the Trump presidency is the most dangerous so far. He has, of course, encouraged violence, or suggested its efficacy, on many occasions in the past. In March, in an interview with Breitbart News, he made it plain that he was sympathetic to those of his supporters who might feel compelled to become violent on his behalf. “I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough—until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.” And he has spoken about the press in such a way as to possibly stimulate thoughts of violence among his more fervent adherents.

But in this latest phase, his rhetoric has become particularly sweeping. Brown people in general have become his targets. And there is no reason to hope that he will reform. His followers reward his radicalism, and his handlers are among the most cynical figures in American political history. His aide Kellyanne Conway tweeted on Sunday, “Working as one to understand depraved evil & to eradicate hate is everyone’s duty. Unity. Let’s do this.” And his daughter Ivanka wrote, in a way that hints at a permanent separation from reality, “White supremacy, like all other forms of terrorism, is an evil that must be destroyed.” And, of course, there is no one of any influence in his party who is willing to confront him.

I watched the video recording of the rally in Panama City shortly after reading the El Paso killer’s so-called manifesto. It is a document littered with phrases and rhetorical devices injected into mainstream discourse by the president and his supporters—talk of a “Hispanic invasion,” accusations that Democrats support “open borders,” and the like. As Trump faces the possibility that he will lose the presidency next year, he may become more enraged, and more willing to deploy the rhetoric of violence as a way to keep his followers properly motivated. The Panama City speech was an important moment in Trump’s ongoing effort to make the American presidency a vehicle in the cause of marginalizing and frightening racial minorities; the killings are a possible (and predictable) consequence of such rhetoric.

Three years ago, The Atlantic, in its endorsement of Hillary Clinton for president (an editorial motivated not by love for Clinton but by fear of Trump), stated, “In one of the more sordid episodes in modern American politics, Trump made himself the face of the so-called birther movement, which had as its immediate goal the demonization of the country’s first African American president. Trump’s larger goal, it seemed, was to stoke fear among white Americans of dark-skinned foreigners.”

It is depressing to realize that we were correct (though, if anything, understated in our analysis), and it is depressing to think that there is no immediate way out of this crisis.

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posted August 05, 2019 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Is the all pervasive vidya obsession a symptom or the disease?

diversity and divisive ...
... the sacred and the profane.

Some things should be divided.

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Indeed. How many misunderstood the Christs claim he came to divide/be divisive?

Is being divisive always a negative?