posted August 18, 2019 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't find them entertaining, and I've never heard of lines for days, when it comes to trump. I've heard the opposite, actually.

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posted August 18, 2019 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Presidents shouldn’t have rallys they should be working.

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no one works 24/7 and campaigning means rallys

not to mention it's another platform to bounce around ideas for a president to continue to address people on policies and the future

posted August 19, 2019 01:11 AM            

Are you suggesting that, in order to ensure a full house, T Corp are overbooking like airlines, who do so to cover cancellations?

posted August 19, 2019 06:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
What do you suppose Biden did to get his 30 attendees? Asking for a friend.

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posted August 19, 2019 12:12 PM            

Works tirelessly tweeting while hes pooping and golfing?

Name another president that held this many rallys

It is absolutely a problem because hes setting himself up like an authoritarian dictator...which is something the right seems to be missing about him.

posted August 19, 2019 01:29 PM            

It is absolutely a problem because hes setting himself up like an authoritarian dictator"

Hey, who knew holding political rallies was in the 'how to' handbook for wannabe dictators.

posted August 19, 2019 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Clowns wil always attract a larger
Audience than a serious intelligent rally.

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posted August 19, 2019 02:17 PM            

because that's the kind of **** that works and really captivates people

posted August 19, 2019 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Allow me to preface this information by stating that I have a Master's Degree in leadership (May 2015). There are several different styles of leadership. President Trump is a charismatic leader. To say that's going to make America a dictatorship is one of the most ignorant comments ever posted here. We are a Republic. How ironic that those who claim President Trump is a dictator want to move toward a Socialist state, where the government controls every facet of life, and to remove private healthcare.

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not a socialist pereonally and pointing out that his mannerisms and posturing etc are textbook dictator (just ******* watch a few videos of famous dictators speak) doesnt mean i think he's a dictator

i think the president is largely just a figurehead and i think voting is a pacification and division tool so no i dont think trump will turn america into anything in particular

but to ignore the blatant similarities in mannerisms and style of speech etc and pretend they don't exist makes no sense

watch stalin, castro, hitler, mussolini etc the way they deliver speeches the way they move etc that's what i'm talking about

also the way he goes about holding rallies and such

your degree has nothing to do with what anyone can see through observing videos and listening

i think he presents himself in a similar manner, which is brilliant because it works, that has nothing to do with what he actually does when it comes to being a president though

presentation isnt function

edit: like i said it's brilliant because that sort of presentation really gets die hard followers and support, because it appeals to people

posted August 19, 2019 07:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Allow me to preface this information by stating that I have a Master's Degree in leadership (May 2015). There are several different styles of leadership. President Trump is a charismatic leader. To say that's going to make America a dictatorship is one of the most ignorant comments ever posted here. We are a Republic. How ironic that those who claim President Trump is a dictator want to move toward a Socialist state, where the government controls every facet of life, and to remove private healthcare.

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posted August 19, 2019 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Some dictators may be charismatic leaders, but not all charismatic leaders are dictators.

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no one said they were, again not calling trump a dictator i'm pointing out the similarities in posturing and delivery etc with dictators

most dictators follow that pattern, very few (talking about north korea here where power is hereditary) are lacking in charisma and it's a specific kind of charisma

there's specific mannerisms and ways of delivery, all of them display it

watch the hand gestures, the way they hold their heads the way they use volume and tone etc along with the rallies and military parades etc

if you look at most presidents you won't see the sort of behavior trump displays, but if you look at dictators it's standard

again that doesn't mean he is a dictator only that he presents in a similar manner and garners support in similar ways

like i said it's brilliant because it works very well, but there's a difference between standard charisma and what he does

just study dictators and watch them give speeches, i've done it for hours on end (didn't a degree for it but i'm sure anyone with functioning eyes and ears with some free time will be able to see the parallels) and you'll see the way trump clearly presents himself in a similar manner

again presentation not function

@teasel his loyal followers would disagree and honestly so would i

he's funny, he knows how to deliver lines well

your issue is you dislike what he says but if you detach and just watch he puts on a good show

you just have to be objective in this case, because you seem to react very strongly with feelings over objectivity which is going to cloud your view of this

fact is last time he made the debates pretty ******* great as far as entertainment value goes

posted August 19, 2019 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I guess some people think Sleepy Joe has charisma--or find that Hillary cackle to be charismatic.

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posted August 19, 2019 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I never said I did. But I know leadership when I see it. I have the credentials to prove it. I also know fascism. ANTIFA is a fascist organization. They protest the exercise of free speech. Like ANTIFA, the Dem candidates think free speech is only protected when they like and agree with what is being said.

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antifa isn't fascist by any means

they are however authoritarian (going against their supposed "anarcho communist ideals" into straight up authoritarian communism) there's a distinction between authoritarian communism and fascism, though they both fall under authoritarian forms of government

actual fascism is to the right economically and isn't against ideas like wars that generate money and so on and so forth

that being said a lot of current "fascist" groups are actually third position rather than left or right (though also still authoritarian)

the reason antifa is actually authoritarian communist has a lot to do with the fact that anarcho communism can't exist on any level outside of small communes due to its nature of being impossible to structure in any meaningful way

it's ultimately just an ideal that has no basis in reality and ignores much of human nature, so the red and black flag they fly is actually really misleading given their real stance which is generally above marxism on the authoritarian scale (due to the ultimate goal of marxism being a complete dismantling of the state at its last phase rather than staying authoritarian over time) though some of them do preach the marxist ideal of starting off heavy handed and then dissolving the government after a cultural shift which could technically wind down to their ideals

the thing with communists (and why they attack things like free speech) is they generally tend to believe that revolution by nature needs to be authoritarian to achieve and maintain control over the masses (this is why many will say "that wasn't real communism" about communist failures because again ultimate goal is to eventually dissolve the state which doesnt end up happening)

which is of course true to an extent, by allowing your enemy a voice you give them access to the most dangerous weapon anyone can have: a means to spread their ideas and ideals

because those are things that don't die, they linger on well after people are gone

so from a logical standpoint i get it, but i disagree with their methods (though many of them likely beat off to lenin which is why they hold onto the idea of using the system)