posted March 23, 2021 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ff-PJp1f5v4

What a political hack and a fraud this guy is!

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posted March 23, 2021 10:14 PM            

Wikipedia has stopped even pretending to have any kind of political impartiality or neutrality. You don't believe me? Listen to the Co-Founder of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger, decrying what wikipedia has become:

posted March 24, 2021 02:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Graham, are you really using wikipedia as your main information regarding politics?

Wikipedia has stopped even pretending to have any kind of political impartiality or neutrality. You don't believe me? Listen to the Co-Founder of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger, decrying what wikipedia has become:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/21/co-founder-says-wikipedias-neutrality-long-gone-ci/

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No, Belage ... I am using it to counter the extreme right wing views that are being expressed by Republicans on this thread/board.

At the moment, the anti-Biden views and threads on this board appear to be being driven by The Epoch Times rather than by the independent, unadulterated and mindful thinking of the members posting them.

Hence, I am wondering to what extent the members expressing those views might be getting some kind of "sick, perverse joy out of evoking a negative response in people (to the current POTUS)".*

posted March 24, 2021 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Epoch accurately reports the news. Many of the media outlets on the left are no longer journalists. I presume you would have no trouble had I posted a link to CNN, which has been caught numerous times literally making stuff up. Wikipedia was an epic fail if you were trying to discredit Epoch. And Biden is a public figure. In this country, we get to crucify public figures—just like people here did to President Trump for five years. It’s called the First Amendment. Look that up on Wikipedia. I never said you got a perverse joy out of anything. I said: "Unless you get a sick, perverse joy out of evoking a negative response in people, just stay away from him." If you do not get such a joy, the comment is not applicable to you; nor was it meant to be. The determination involves self-assessment.

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I do not need to look up the First Amendment, and agree that crucifying public figures is a part of the "right to speak freely" in both your country and mine. ... However, the onus is upon citizens to exercise that right responsibly rather - than use it as a tool for obtaining some kind of perverse pleasure from crucifying those whom we dislike or do not agree with.

posted March 24, 2021 10:41 AM            

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The determination involves self-assessment.

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It does indeed ... and the courage to objectively confront/embrace the things in ourself that are contrary to our self-image.

posted March 24, 2021 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
No, Belage ... I am using it to counter the extreme right wing views that are being expressed by Republicans on this thread/board.

At the moment, the anti-Biden views and threads on this board appear to be being driven by The Epoch Times rather than by the independent, unadulterated and mindful thinking of the members posting them.

Hence, I am wondering to what extent the members expressing those views might be getting some kind of "sick, perverse joy out of evoking a negative response in people (to the current POTUS)".*

[ * Note : However, I cannot deny that my wondering about this has been evoked by a similar accusation about myself, made by Randall in his 03:25pm post on March 22, 2021 at [ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/242782-2.html ... (Since I believe such comments are often an attempt by the subconscious mind to let the person making them know that he/she might need to look at the issue in himself. ... Hence, having first self-reflected to confirm that the comment has no validity when applied to me, I am now in the process of checking its validity when applied to Randall.]

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The very fact that you are labeling republican's views on this board as "EXTREME RIGHT WING" is quite telling.

To me, you are just parroting the left who describes anyone who does not agree with it as far right. Apparently, no one is center anymore. No one is right of center anymore. Everyone is either with the left, or far right.

posted March 24, 2021 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I don’t know about your country, but here in America we can say what we want, and we don’t have to exercise that right “responsibly,” so long as we don’t yell fire in a crowded theater or incite violence. Even hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. We are free to ridicule a POTUS all we want. The Dems certainly did do with Trump. I have yet to see anyone refute a single story I have posted by Epoch. No one here can claim the same for CNN. You seem rather fixated on “perverse joy.” If it doesn’t apply to you, then let it go. Meaningless words.

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posted March 25, 2021 02:53 AM            

Time to do some thinking of your own, folks. ... Otherwise, you guys are going to be the next one's storming the Capitol.

Btw ... I am a DT fan, and a UK Conservative Party supporter ... who believes that Joe Biden's pro-EU views will damage my country. ... But, I make a point of balancing my right-wing views by watching the news coverage of the left-wing BBC.

posted March 25, 2021 03:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
And your problem is what? You practically raged for five years over President Trump. I don't understand why you are complaining.

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You DO understand why Teasel is complaining, but choose to "shout down her views" because they are contrary to your own. ... That's the way the brainwashed masses are used by the media - and is a clear indication that you are no longer doing your own thinking on these things, Randall.

There is no debate taking place on any of the threads being started by you. ... They are being opened as a mechanism for you to brainwash others into believing what is being printed by the far-right Epoch Times.

posted March 25, 2021 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
The very fact that you are labeling republican's views on this board as "EXTREME RIGHT WING" is quite telling.

To me, you are just parroting the left who describes anyone who does not agree with it as far right. Apparently, no one is center anymore. No one is right of center anymore. Everyone is either with the left, or far right.

As far as your constant needless references to your past grievances with Randall, I am just going to let you chew on that bone and not get involved. There is some kind of pain here that I hope you heal. Good day, sir!

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Yes ... my grievances with Randall do not extend to any member other than him.

However, I am not parroting the left. ... I have decided for myself that the Republicans participating on this GU2 board are expressing far-right views - and are acquiring them from far-right media rather than by doing their own thinking.

For example, does anyone here have any first hand knowledge about ANY of the Epoch Times articles being quoted on this board? ... And, if not, WHY not - given how bad you claim to be feeling about these things?

The truth is out there, folks ... for those preachers who care enough to get off the mountain-top and go find it.

posted March 25, 2021 06:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Yes ... my grievances with Randall do not extend to any member other than him.

However, I am not parroting the left. ... I have decided for myself that the Republicans participating on this GU2 board are expressing far-right views - and are acquiring them from far-right media rather than by doing their own thinking.

For example, does anyone here have any [b]first hand knowledge about ANY of the Epoch Times articles being quoted on this board? ... And, if not, WHY not - given how bad you claim to be feeling about these things?

The truth is out there, folks ... for those preachers who care enough to get off the mountain-top and go find it.

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Can you please define "far-right" views, and contrast them with what you consider "right" or "center right" views, with examples so we can have an idea what you are talking about?

posted March 25, 2021 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Please define "far-right" views, and contrast them with what you consider "right" or "center right" views, with examples so we can have an idea what you are talking about.

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If we start with the centre = a person with no allegiance to any political party, mindfully considering the facts.

Then, right of centre = a person mindfully considering the facts, but whose conclusions will be influenced by a Republican bias.

posted March 25, 2021 11:58 AM            

Extreme right wing views?

posted March 25, 2021 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
If we start with the centre = a person with no allegiance to any political party, mindfully considering the facts.

Then, right of centre = a person mindfully considering the facts, but whose conclusions will be influenced by a Republican bias.

And, far right of centre = a person whose Republican bias prevents any mindful consideration of the facts.

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You are using the word "republican" as a barometer of "far right", with no concrete examples whatsoever. By your logic, one could similarly use the word "democrat" to define far left views.

Apparently, you are not even American, and I won't hold it against you, but from my decades of living here and following the political landscape, this is what far-right used to mean before the expression was hijacked by the CURRENT left to label negatively and smear anyone who disagrees with them:

Far right people in the US are segregationists. Yes, they believe in separation of races of all level. You will not see far right people adopting children of other races and raising them as their own. That is a nono for them. They do not believe in interracial marriage, they call it miscenegation. They also believe whites are superior and blacks are inferior. Jews are the devil.

Far right people want a dictatorial government that will impose a particular set of rules on people. In fact, they support military dictatorship and do not believe in having democratic elections. And if they could take over the US government and shape it to their ideals they would.

They are against any kind of immigration. They want zero immigration, period. Legal or illegal does not matter.

Now, you tell me who in here has been advocating those ideas. Who in the republican party is advocating these ideas?

the right to bear arms is NOT a far right feature. It is embedded in the US constitution.

the right to exercise your religion is NOT a far right feature. It is embedded in the US constitution.

Freedom of expression is embedded in the US constitution.

posted March 25, 2021 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
No. ... You are not hearing the point that I am making.

Have to sign off the forum for today ... but will return asap tomorrow to debate the difference between far right views and far right organisations.

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posted March 25, 2021 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
No. ... You are not hearing the point that I am making.

Have to sign off the forum for today ... but will return asap tomorrow to debate the difference between far right views and far right organisations.

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No you are not listening to yourself.
You are so committed to a left /right division of a essentially fascist political game,that you can make the comments you do and don't see the nonsense.I personally don't think this is nonsense to you, because just seem to me,you have a one world government agenda.keep the rhetoric of left vs right while we are all forced to become subhumans by these experimental lethal jabs being pushed By the right and the left.

posted March 26, 2021 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
No you are not listening to yourself.
You are so committed to a left /right division of a essentially fascist political game,that you can make the comments you do and don't see the nonsense.I personally don't think this is nonsense to you, because just seem to me,you have a one world government agenda.keep the rhetoric of left vs right while we are all forced to become subhumans by these experimental lethal jabs being pushed By the right and the left.

Just one example that made me laugh was that you referred to the right wing media .I may have missed a point ,but the Rothschild controlled media is pursuing the "rioters at the capital to the ends of the earth.. But what about the left wing rioters that destroyed much more private property and raped and killed with impunity....and now the Bidden justice attitude is to let all of them go.you are absurd to say the right wing blah blah.
But as I said ,you have agenda .
So I won't waste time on dogs chasing their tails and keep my focus on the world wide hoax you agendist are enabling.

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posted March 26, 2021 01:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ok fine. Come back when you are ready. I have given you concrete examples of what constituted far right views in the US up until these past 5 years when every disagreement with the left has now become far-right. I look forward to reading your concrete examples of what you think constitute far right views in the US and specifically how they are expressed in this forum.

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No ... you have given me concrete examples of extreme right views in the US ... which have no valid place in the right-of-centre Republican Party, or in the UK Conservative Party.

So ... for the time being, please consider my comments about far right views in the context of a political system with one main political party elected to be the government and another elected to be the opposition that prevents the creation of government legislation which the average citizen would consider to be too far to the right or left.