posted May 23, 2021 01:15 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5269518/

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if you don't want a child and you've had unprotected sex, did not use plan b, condoms, or birth control or options to find out early on that's your own fault

just because most women wait does not mean they should or have to , pregnancy tests are also available for low costs and free in many places

this article is not an argument because the reality is tests work much sooner than the 6 week window, if anything the texas bill requires women there to be more responsible and that's not a negative thing

killing an unborn child for your own negligence is ****** up, waiting is worse for both the women who get the procedure done and the unborn child they're killing

posted May 23, 2021 06:04 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
Did you see the part where it said these were NOT women who chose to put the children up for adoption or abort. These are women who presumably wanted kids and they didn’t even know until 5.5 weeks average. That gives them half a week to legally abort. There are plenty of reasons a woman wouldn’t know earlier. Your argument doesn’t hold up.

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you realize a woman who is trying for kids has less of a reason to make sure she's pregnant yeah? they have time to wait, a woman who does not want children is responsible for finding out promptly and/or preventing it

how is this an issue? your argument doesn't hold up and testing works earlier so i guess more women should utilize it if they don't want kids huh?

posted May 23, 2021 08:30 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
No I just hate arrogant, ******* men who try to police women’s bodies and don’t even think rape is a reasonable reason to get an abortion 🤢.

There are some women who probably do wait too long, but to generalize like that is pretty ****** . Six weeks pregnant is two weeks after a missed period. That’s assuming a regular cycle. Some women’s cycles vary more than that, some people’s bc can also cause missed periods, etc etc. ie sometimes it does legitimately take longer to know if you’re pregnant.

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i'm a woman, i know how periods work i've had them since i was 11, i also know that it's rather easy to figure out whether or not you're pregnant and that testing for pregnancy can happen before a missed period at this point in time

and i said i disagree on a personal level with abortion due to rape (because it isn't the child's fault) but understand why someone would do that and can extend that consideration (abortion being acceptable) to them

and i know exactly how i personally feel faced with the potential for that situation because been there and while nothing came from it (thankfully) it's something i personally would have accepted (and also something plan b could be used for, but in the event that it is not accessible that quickly post something like that i understand but again don't see why 6 weeks wouldn't be plenty of time to find that out afterall you have to be present for the rape)

the reality is that if someone is sexually active there are many ways to know and average cycle is less than a month and counts from the first day of a woman's period to the first day of her next (so days she has her period are counted) so even if a woman was choosing to wait until she missed her period to even check whether or not she's pregnant it's not going to cut into 6 weeks

like i said personal accountability goes a long way, if someone does not want a child then they need to be on top of making sure it doesn't happen and most "accidents" are unprotected sex and people not doing anything after and letting things drag on for a while before they do

i fail to see an issue with not allowing that when the other option is murder 🤷‍♀️

posted May 23, 2021 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i'm a woman, i know how periods work i've had them since i was 11, i also know that it's rather easy to figure out whether or not you're pregnant and that testing for pregnancy can happen before a missed period at this point in time

and i said i disagree on a personal level with abortion due to rape (because it isn't the child's fault) but understand why someone would do that and can extend that consideration (abortion being acceptable) to them, and i know exactly how i feel faced with the potential for that situation because been there and while nothing came from it (thankfully) it's something i personally would have accepted (and also something plan b could be used for, but in the event that it is not accessible that quickly post something like that i understand but again don't see why 6 weeks wouldn't be plenty of time to find that out afterall you have to be present for the rape)

the reality is that if someone is sexually active there are many ways to know and average cycle is less than a month and counts from the first day of a woman's period to the first day of her next (so days she has her period are counted) so even if a woman was choosing to wait until she missed her period to even check whether or not she's pregnant it's not going to cut into 6 weeks

like i said personal accountability goes a long way, if someone does not want a child then they need to be on top of making sure it doesn't happen and most "accidents" are unprotected sex and people not doing anything after and letting things drag on for a while before they do

i fail to see an issue with not allowing that when the other option is murder 🤷‍♀️

3 options to prevent getting to the point of abortion and testing to know prior to 6 weeks all available and can be received for low cost/free as well and you mean to tell me that's not good enough because women should be allowed to kill an unborn child for a longer span of time in spite of that child being more developed as time goes on and the risk of complications for the woman being greater?

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Idk why but that makes this whole exchange even scarier. 😳

I’m sorry for what you’ve been through.

Those early detection tests are kind of trash. They’re just a more sensitive version of the regular ones. Negative results are often considered false and you’re supposed to redo after your missed period anyway. I’ve read stories where people test negative even at five weeks. And then positive results at 7. That may not be the majority, but you’re oversimplifying when you say how easy it is to know you’re pregnant.

This is esp true for women who use bc/condoms. Are they supposed to assume they’re pregnant and test every time they have sex?

If no menstruation is the indicator of pregnancy, which you’d have to then confirm with a doctors visit, six weeks doesn’t give you enough time to do much.

“when doctors say a woman is six weeks pregnant, it typically means the embryo started developing about four weeks ago… Six weeks pregnant is two weeks after a woman misses her period.”

posted May 23, 2021 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
btw abortion doesnt just involve the woman's body but the child's too

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posted May 23, 2021 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
Idk why but that makes this whole exchange even scarier. 😳

I’m sorry for what you’ve been through.

Those early detection tests are kind of trash. They’re just a more sensitive version of the regular ones. Negative results are often considered false and you’re supposed to redo after your missed period anyway. I’ve read stories where people test negative even at five weeks. And then positive results at 7. That may not be the majority, but you’re oversimplifying when you say how easy it is to know you’re pregnant.

This is esp true for women who use bc/condoms. Are they supposed to assume they’re pregnant and test every time they have sex?

If no menstruation is the indicator of pregnancy, which you’d have to then confirm with a doctors visit, six weeks doesn’t give you enough time to do much.

“when doctors say a woman is six weeks pregnant, it typically means the embryo started developing about four weeks ago… Six weeks pregnant is two weeks after a woman misses her period.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/parenting/abortion-six-weeks-pregnant.html

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taken properly birth control pills are 99% effective, iuds and so on also are about that level effective as i said before this isn't one of the major factors in unwanted pregnancies

pregnancy tests are up there in accuracy day of missed period onward

if you have a prompt response you do have time

it shouldn't be scary to you that a woman is capable of valuing life and sees abortion as murder, spare me your "sorry"s i didn't say that for sympathy and coming from someone who speaks the way you do it doesn't sound genuine either

comes off like you propping yourself up with false sympathies same way you put on your mask for "solidarity"

you were literally just calling me an arrogant ******* when you thought i was a man, so don't even...

posted May 23, 2021 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
The question of whether a fetus is a person is conveniently unanswerable. The question of whether a woman is a person, however, is not up for debate—and it is female personhood, not fetal personhood, that should decide the issue of basic bodily autonomy.

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posted May 23, 2021 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
No, I'm just able to express sympathy for someone I dislike. They're not mutually exclusive. But given your simplistic worldview, it doesn't surprise me that you'd see it that way.

ETA And I think you're arrogant either way. Very aggressive too.

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posted May 23, 2021 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
I meant everything I said.

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posted May 23, 2021 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
Wow, so you can tell what my intentions are? And people's reasons for getting an abortion? Without having met or spoken to any of these people?! Amazing stuff!

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i can tell you that you personally come off as insincere, that's all i've said, this particular exchange has **** all to do with abortion but rather how fake your "sorry" comes off given the way you speak and how i'd prefer to not be bothered with false niceties coming from someone who does not come off as genuine

it's just sort of gross and leaves a bad taste in my mouth to even read that sort of **** , and as i said i wasn't seeking your sympathy i was explaining that you were wrong to go on about men to me and correcting what you misinterpreted when you made your comment about rape (the difference between my personal view and what i feel is understandable for another person)

do i know if you actually are? no, but you sure as hell seem it and that sort of **** makes my skin crawl when it comes from someone with that vibe

seems more about you looking a certain way than about anything i've been through 🤷‍♀️ not my fault your attitude and words give that vibe

literally said from the beginning you don't "come off genuine" and don't "seem to" as in i can't know for certain

honestly don't care though 🤷‍♀️

where have i claimed i know other people's reasons for getting an abortion? i mean it all boils down to not wanting the child obviously (aside from the list of reasons i listed previously as acceptable) but i haven't said all that and none of what i've said in this exchange has come down to it

maybe stick to what's actually said instead of making me into someone else, or at least have the decency to use words like "seem" to indicate it's a matter of your perspective and not necessarily reality when you make statements like that

posted May 23, 2021 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
No I just hate arrogant, ******* men who try to police women’s bodies and don’t even think rape is a reasonable reason to get an abortion 🤢.

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lol Typical reactionary assumption.

The mark of a poorly considered and too easily embraced mass marketed position. This is Orwellian quacking, not thinking. Gross.

posted May 23, 2021 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Rather than claiming "teasel believes this ...", Ive twice asked for clarification on this matter and you twice avoided the question.

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Still thinking on it, teasel?

posted May 23, 2021 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
When you claim that nothing but irresponsibility could lead someone to get an abortion after six weeks (paraphrasing). That's you making assumptions.

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it is irresponsible, could other things factor into that? sure but ultimately it is what it is given that most unwanted pregnancies involve zero precautionary methods and no plan b and also waiting

that's not me making up what goes on in their minds btw, it's me pointing out that regardless of what's in their heads they should have been more responsible up until that point

posted May 23, 2021 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
The question of whether a fetus is a person is conveniently unanswerable. The question of whether a woman is a person, however, is not up for debate—and it is female personhood, not fetal personhood, that should decide the issue of basic bodily autonomy.

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To say it is unanswerable is to conveniently evade the issue.

When a woman doesn't want the life that is growing inside of her, it is referred to as a "fetus".

When she wants it and welcomes it, it is always referred to as a "baby".

Think about it. That same life gets a different name depending on whether it is wanted or not. Does that make sense?