| Author | Topic:   Charlie Kirk's racism | 
	| Belage2 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 03:18 PM       My solutions to the problems I have called out.
 Black on Black crime: Men are the ones who police a community, not women. Men are the ones who police each other, women cannot police men.  Kirk rightly said that the black on black crime was due to lack of fathers in the home, with 73% of children being raised in fatherless homes.  Prior to welfare which pushed Black fathers out of the home, most Black children were raised with fathers in the home, and black on black crime was much, much lower, because Black men policed their neighborhoods since they were fathers and husbands, they were invested in it. Whereas in our current state, most Black men are single men with no commitment or attachments to the community. They let anything go! Kirk encouraged Black males to marry the women they impregnate and raise their children.  And I agree with him. Kirk encouraged ALL men to stop fooling around and find a good woman to marry and settle down.  IP: Logged | 
	| Belage2 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 03:30 PM       Black people and DEI
 Instead of demanding DEI and relying on it to make it into higher institutions and workplaces, how about we demand tutorial programs for our youth when they are in elementery, middle and high schools so that their academic scores can be better? We in the Black community need to start valuing intellectual and educational achievements the same way Asian communities do.  What we value, we excell in.The Asian community excells at intellectual and educational subjects, without the help of government programs. Because they value those things.
 The Black community values physical achievements such as sports, dancing, singing. And guess what, we are overly represented in the top tier of athletes, dancing and singing.  Nothing wrong with that, but these are the ONLY categories we value and put our energies on. And we are doing so without special government programs. What does that tell you? That tells you that government programs are not really needed. However, in order to turn the tide in the Black community, it would be of great benefits to have government funded tutorial programs that allow our youth to become more academically excellent and would allow them compete in schools on the levels of other races, without expecting that standards will be lowered for us.  IP: Logged | 
	| Belage2 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 03:35 PM       There is so much more I could say as a black person. But I frankly lack the time.
 I just want to open dialogues, maybe people have better suggestions. We need to be able to acknowledge our shortcomings, talk about what really matters, and reject gaslighting from the race pimps. We need to start thinking outside the box, instead of the same ole same ole.  IP: Logged | 
	| Randall Webmaster
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 03:44 PM       
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 Thank you Randall that had me laughing 😂     
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	| SleepyDiary Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 04:16 PM       
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	| LovelyAries86 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 04:54 PM       
 quote:Originally posted by Randall:
 You’re lying, teasel.  You’re about as far left as it gets.  Those people were and are celebrating.  You know it.  You knew it.
 
 She is indeed far-Left.  And you are VERY far-Right Randall. And I don't do extremes. Whether it's on the Left or the Right. It's all toxic.  I have no issue with Moderate Conservatives who believe in faith, family and treating others how they want to be treated. But this hateful extremist sh*t that's coming from your camp now??   It's a HELL NO from me. TONS of Charlie Kirk supporters are online calling for a Civil War when it was one of their OWN that killed him. 🤷🏾♀️ There is nothing peaceful nor compassionate about these people Randall. Weren't they the same ones laughing at George Floyd's death? Yet they have the nerve to ask for EMPATHY. When Charlie himself didn't even believe in that word whatsoever!  One of the many videos showcasing their derangment. I want no part of this nonsense. http://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8SfBfdR/
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	| LovelyAries86 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 05:40 PM       
 quote:Originally posted by Belage2:
 You have still to answer my question: If white women are the biggest recipients of DEI, why are black people, why are YOU fighting tooth and nail for DEI?
 As for white farmers supposedly offing themselves, where is that?? Where do you get that kind of news? MSNBC? NPR? CNN? The farmers markets in my area and in many areas I know of are thriving!  As for your attempts at personal attacks on me, saying I need to  "earn the approval" of White People, and in another post, I want "want a scooby snack and a pat on the head from White conservatives" this is the kind of things that do not elevate conversations, but I have heard them all when I debate in Black spaces. You are not regurgitating anything new, just smug and racialized comments and you think you are debating. 
 Why are YOU (as a Black Woman) completely fine with White Women receiving Affirmative Action? But barking like a dog when women like yourself get it as well? How about you answer THAT question.  I'm neutral about DEI. I'm not the one "fighting" here, that would be you. I simply told you that it's insane to get mad about Black People getting something that White People get much more often. 🤷🏾♀️ That's all. But you are clearly surrounded by hateful far-right lunatics Belage. So of course, you wouldn't know what the REAL statistics are on this. You just blindly follow whoever is White and LOUD and pats you on the head for hating yourself. Because that's all you know.  Just like the Black People who blindly follow whoever is White, Loud and Liberal? They are just as foolish as you are. You just happen to have different Masters. 💪 I'm well aware of the problems within the Black Community.  FYI - there are videos all over the internet from White Farmers in distress across our country. Go do your damn research next time. 🙄 I do not watch MSNBC. I do not watch CNN.
 I do not watch Fox News.
 I actually voted for Trump this last election.  And so, again - stop throwing out lame talking points that are totally irrelevant to me. Like the malfunctioning MAGA Robot that you are, stuck on stupid. 💯 You truly aren't capable of having elevated, objective discussions. I think maybe you are one of those Black Women who doesn't possess the "brain processing power" to think things through that Charlie Kirk was talking about?? My God...yesss that's it. 🤣 The mystery is solved! IP: Logged | 
	| Randall Webmaster
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 05:52 PM       I have serious doubts that you voted for Trump.   You say you did, so it's none of my business.  Nothing you have said here has been pro-Trump.  You mock those who voted for Trump as being ignorant.  And I am not far right.  I'm actually right of center.  I just detest the far left, so I sound far right in contrast with them.  Extremes on either side of the political spectrum are not desirable.
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	| Belage2 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 05:59 PM       ^^^ I doubt it too that she voted for Trump. The 8% of us are a rare breed and sound quite different from her. But saying you voted for Trump while insulting people who are MAGA makes for a good narrative, i suppose!
 
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	| LovelyAries86 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 06:38 PM       
 quote:Originally posted by Randall:
 I have serious doubts that you voted for Trump.   You say you did, so it's none of my business.  Nothing you have said here has been pro-Trump.  You mock those who voted for Trump as being ignorant.  And I am not far right.  I'm actually right of center.  I just detest the far left, so I sound far right in contrast with them.  Extremes on either side of the political spectrum are not desirable.
 
 Anyone denying that many of Charlie's remarks were racist and who insist on making excuses for his behavior is NOT a Centrist. Not in the slightest.  I am not a Liberal. Never have been. But I damn sure will not align myself with hateful extremists on the Right EITHER.  Is it your belief that you need to support racists in order to be pro-Trump? Feel free to let me know.  I didn't vote for Trump because I love and adore HIM as a man. I voted for him because I felt that he was the better option for America at this time. 🇺🇸 I agreed with some (not all) of his policies. And I appreciated how he reached out to certain communities that typically vote for the other side.  You do know that this is how he won the last Election, right? By bridging gaps?  I'm not licking Trump's a$$ just because I voted for him. Or the a$$ of any other politician! 💯 If that's how you roll, fine. But don't ask me to join you in that activity Randall. The mistake that many in Trump's core base is making, is believing that any POC who voted for Trump is seeking White Approval and will go along with any and everything that may be harmful or discriminatory towards them. NO MA'AM. 🛑 You thought very wrong! That is not how this will go.  IP: Logged | 
	| LovelyAries86 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 06:50 PM       
 quote:Originally posted by Belage2:
 ^^^ I doubt it too that she voted for Trump. The 8% of us are a rare breed and sound quite different from her. But saying you voted for Trump while insulting people who are MAGA makes for a good narrative, i suppose!
 
 I'm not insulting all of MAGA.  I'm all for actually Making America Great Again. 🇺🇸 With level-headed Americans who actually mean it.  What I'm rejecting is the people like yourself who represent the worst of MAGA. Who push one-sided accountability and sow seeds of division. Who preach about GOD while acting like legit Demons. Who have shed more tears over Charlie Kirk than they have over kids shot up in schools and dying over in Palestine. Just shameful! So, yeah. You are absolutely correct that I DO NOT F*CK WITH THAT! 💯 I am repulsed by people who conduct themselves like this. No matter their color.  I reject the people on the Left who do this same sh*t under a different variation. Like pushing the Trans Agenda onto innocent children. 🙄 Totally unacceptable.  IP: Logged | 
	| Belage2 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 16, 2025 11:47 PM       
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 I'm not insulting all of MAGA.
 I'm all for actually Making America Great Again. 🇺🇸 With level-headed Americans who actually mean it.  What I'm rejecting is the people like yourself who represent the worst of MAGA. Who push one-sided accountability and sow seeds of division. Who preach about GOD while acting like legit Demons. Who have shed more tears over Charlie Kirk than they have over kids shot up in schools and dying over in Palestine. Just shameful! So, yeah. You are absolutely correct that I DO NOT F*CK WITH THAT! 💯 I am repulsed by people who conduct themselves like this. No matter their color.  I reject the people on the Left who do this same sh*t under a different variation. Like pushing the Trans Agenda onto innocent children. 🙄 Totally unacceptable.  
 Are you talking to me??? No where in this thread have I preached about GOD!  You must have someone else in mind! I absolutely do not give a fug what you F*CK WITH and what you don't F*CK WITH. I don't even know you like that and you're not that important to me, really. I am just having a discussion with anonymous you on an anonymous forum and then I am going to log off and forget all about you.  I only engage people who are interested in sound, rational, debate. And you don't seem like one of them because when you feel cornered and at loss of arguments, you resort to ad hominem attacks, using the kind of racialized language the Black community uses to police the Blacks that dare stray from the sheepfold.   I have made my points quite amply in this thread and I don't need to engage with you anymore.    IP: Logged | 
	| LovelyAries86 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 17, 2025 12:53 AM       
 quote:Originally posted by Belage2:
 Are you talking to me??? No where in this thread have I preached about GOD!  You must have someone else in mind!
 I absolutely do not give a fug what you F*CK WITH and what you don't F*CK WITH. I don't even know you like that and you're not that important to me, really. I am just having a discussion with anonymous you on an anonymous forum and then I am going to log off and forget all about you.  I only engage people who are interested in sound, rational, debate. And you don't seem like one of them because when you feel cornered and at loss of arguments, you resort to ad hominem attacks, using the kind of racialized language the Black community uses to police the Blacks that dare stray from the sheepfold.   I have made my points quite amply in this thread and I don't need to engage with you anymore.    
 The fact that you feel you "cornered" me in any kind of way is extraordinarily laughable. 🤣 My goodness.  You are a literal joke to me. I feel pity for your existence. I don't give a f*ck about you pretending not to give a f*ck. When you *actually* give sooo much of a f*ck that you can't stop vomiting up the same mindless talking points over and over and over again like your ENTIRE existence was built upon it. 🛑 And make no mistake - you are definitely a SHEEP.  I never said that YOU believed in God, dummy. 🙄 I was making an overall point about certain hateful Conservatives who always have God's name in their mouth. Your comprehension skills could really use some work.  Please, by all means, log off. And sincerely STFU talking to me. 💯 Do not say another word to me on ANY of these forums ever again. And I will gladly return the favor.  Cìao! 👌🏽 God Bless The USA.  IP: Logged | 
	| teasel Knowflake
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 |  posted September 17, 2025 08:37 AM       
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 My point about being far left is that they are the ones celebrating Kirk’s murder.  You are part of that online crowd.  That would be like me saying that I go to the movie theater every day and have never seen popcorn.
 
 Except that you are WRONG. you are lying. I know two people who weren't at all bothered. One is political, and doesn't align herself with either party. They other is Australian. So, no, your assumption about me - AGAIN - was not funny.  IP: Logged | 
	| teasel Knowflake
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 |  posted September 17, 2025 08:38 AM       
 quote:Originally posted by Randall:
 I have serious doubts that you voted for Trump.   You say you did, so it's none of my business.  Nothing you have said here has been pro-Trump.  You mock those who voted for Trump as being ignorant.  And I am not far right.  I'm actually right of center.  I just detest the far left, so I sound far right in contrast with them.  Extremes on either side of the political spectrum are not desirable.
 
 She posted on election night, that she voted for him. We have argued a bit in the astrology forum, over a few things. You keep accusing people of lying, when you disagree with what they say, or want to discount them.  IP: Logged | 
	| teasel Knowflake
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 |  posted September 17, 2025 08:40 AM       
 quote:Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
 She is indeed far-Left.
 And you are VERY far-Right Randall. And I don't do extremes. Whether it's on the Left or the Right. It's all toxic.  I have no issue with Moderate Conservatives who believe in faith, family and treating others how they want to be treated. But this hateful extremist sh*t that's coming from your camp now??     It's a HELL NO from me. TONS of Charlie Kirk supporters are online calling for a Civil War when it was one of their OWN that killed him. 🤷🏾♀️ There is nothing peaceful nor compassionate about these people Randall. Weren't they the same ones laughing at George Floyd's death? Yet they have the nerve to ask for EMPATHY. When Charlie himself didn't even believe in that word whatsoever!  One of the many videos showcasing their derangment. I want no part of this nonsense. http://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8SfBfdR/
 
 Thank you, Lovely. And I'm okay with being far-left, because I don't do violence. I want healthcare, I want people to be taken care of. And the trans stuff if one of the things we've argued about.  IP: Logged | 
	| Randall Webmaster
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 |  posted September 17, 2025 09:19 AM       No, I accuse people (only you) of lying who, in fact, are lying.  You know when you have fallen for a hoax.  And yet you continue to spread those lies even when you know they are not true.  That makes you tts worse kind of a liar—a malicious one.  You even lie to yourself.   You shrugged off the assassination attempts of President Trump, making light of them.  Almost like you were hinting at something.  Your online buddies (the far left) are delirious with joy over Kirk’s assassination.  I never said you felt the same way.  I only said you knew about it.  And now you are doubling down and claiming that those people are not rejoicing over Kirk.  Right!   But you will never admit it.  Just Iike you will never admit that you were wrong about any of the hoaxes.  It’s easier to hate President Trump when you can continue to pretend  lies are truths.
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	| Belage2 Knowflake
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 |  posted September 18, 2025 01:14 PM       Phew!
 Went back to this thread to find out some sheep with Tourette syndrome is not going to engage me anymore. Great news!!! Makes my life here much easier and more productive!     IP: Logged | 
	| teasel Knowflake
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 |  posted September 18, 2025 08:44 PM       
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 No, I accuse people (only you) of lying who, in fact, are lying.  You know when you have fallen for a hoax.  And yet you continue to spread those lies even when you know they are not true.  That makes you tts worse kind of a liar—a malicious one.  You even lie to yourself.   You shrugged off the assassination attempts of President Trump, making light of them.  Almost like you were hinting at something.  Your online buddies (the far left) are delirious with joy over Kirk’s assassination.  I never said you felt the same way.  I only said you knew about it.  And now you are doubling down and claiming that those people are not rejoicing over Kirk.  Right!   But you will never admit it.  Just Iike you will never admit that you were wrong about any of the hoaxes.  It’s easier to hate President Trump when you can continue to pretend  lies are truths.
 
 And you know that you are wrong, and you are lying.  IP: Logged | 
	| teasel Knowflake
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 |  posted September 18, 2025 08:46 PM       
 quote:Originally posted by Belage2:
 Phew!
 Went back to this thread to find out some sheep with Tourette syndrome is not going to engage me anymore. Great news!!! Makes my life here much easier and more productive!      
 You cannot be serious. People in here can be so rude, and you don't mind, because they aren't rude to you. She wasn't rude, she argued just like everyone else.  IP: Logged | 
	| Randall Webmaster
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 |  posted September 18, 2025 08:55 PM       I’m just happy to see Dems finally getting the same things done to them that they did to us.  And they whine so deliciously.   Yummy!  It’s even better that they can’t understand the parallels.  I can hardly wait till the prosecutions take place!
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	| teasel Knowflake
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 |  posted September 25, 2025 01:09 AM       
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 I need to address the accusations of racism leveled at CK.  Because they are some of the ways the left demonized him and made it ok for unstable antifas to shoot him dead.
 
 And just a reminder: the guy had nothing to do with a non-existent organization called Antifa. He was from a MAGA family, and was raised with guns. His grandmother wanted everyone to know that there isn't one Democrat in their family.  Also: antifa = anti-fascist. Everyone should be anti-fascist.  IP: Logged | 
	| Randall Webmaster
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 |  posted September 25, 2025 01:59 AM       It doesn’t matter about his family.  It matters about him.  He was influenced by the far left.  How many clueless statements can you make in one post?  Clearly, ANTIFA exists.  They are well funded.  They are not anti-fascists.  First of all, there are no fascists in America.  Secondly, ANTIFA have always been violent, breaking windows on college campuses to stifle free speech, and now they are terrorists.  Just waiting for these clowns to show up and get arrested.  Twenty years in prison sounds about right.
 
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	| PixieJane Knowflake
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 |  posted September 25, 2025 01:02 PM       This response was initially to be another thread (though I'm adapting it to this one), but I'm going to put it here as I think this one is more appropriate here instead.
 First, I think clips should be shown to demonstrate what Charlie Kirk was. This does not mean a sentence or two taken out of context.  An example:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3mcWxfIhbk
 3 minutes, but pretty much over in 2 and a half minutes, which I think is a good short one.   It starts off with misinfo by AOC (claiming CK was against black people voting!) that this guy says is strawmaning (and seems accurate to me). He later goes into how to avoid strawmaning. (I'll add that an example of strawmaning would be saying his merit over race means that he thinks no blacks could prove themselves worthy without lowering standards when actually he thinks black people can, they should just do it by the same standards as everyone else, which is less racist than DEI since it's about the individual rather than the race.) Charlie is shown speaking starting at the 1-minute mark. He talks about how DEI has been used by trans movement, and he is against DEI for multiple reasons, though not because he thinks blacks are inferior.  Furthermore, CK here says aspects of the Civil Rights Act was noble and he supports it, it's the unintended consequences that he opposes.  While I'm at it, here's the YT channel of a gay, black conservative mentored by CK:  Amir Odom I think it matters as many people, not just CK, are falsely labelled many things as racist, incel (even when married!), Nazi. They do this to make it okay to do violence to political opponents (anyone who doesn't bend the knee), even murder.  That energy needs to be combatted.  The Left is in a very dark place right now. (And driving many moderate Leftists away from the Left completely.) While LL at least doesn't reach the very nadir (where the Left not only laughs and celebrates murder, but say things like his wife and children should be next), it still seems to me that CK is being falsely accused because of the propaganda out there (for the sake of argument, even if CK was racist, the demonic glee of the Left would still be a problem, more hateful than CK himself).  Propaganda that dehumanizes and demonizes and thus pushes the extremists to murder.  And that has got to stop.  IP: Logged | 
	| PixieJane Knowflake
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 |  posted September 25, 2025 01:31 PM       Antifa uses fascist means so they're not anti-fascist.  By their actions, they're closer to (leftist version) brownshirts by their intimidation, enforcement, street brawls, and terrorism.
 Just because people call themselves something doesn't make it true.  For example, North Korea (calling itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is not actually a democracy or a republic. Doublespeak is something used by so many, especially for political ends.  There are corporations devoted to spin doctoring and doublespeak. It is often not only misleading, but downright self-contradictory.  IP: Logged |