posted September 12, 2025 09:21 PM            

1) he said Black people commit 58 % of the crimes while being 13 % of the population. He was vilified for it, but he told the truth, the sad, unfortunate truth the Black community REFUSES to address.

The FBI statistics on homicides confirm what he said:

https://cde.ucr.cjis .gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/special-reportshttps://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/special-reports
Scroll down to the Reported Crimes in the Nation Quick Stats and click on the link, the pdf will open. Here is some of what you can read:

posted September 12, 2025 09:26 PM            

Context is everything.

He called the violent Black criminals "animals", not the law abiding, innocent blacks who are trying to live their lives peacefully.

posted September 12, 2025 09:31 PM            

I don't find that racist. I think some mission critical jobs like airline pilots, heart surgeons, firefighters, etc... should never be subject to the rules of DEI. Hire the best person you can for the job, don't lower the standard, no freaking quotas please!

posted September 12, 2025 09:39 PM            

Unfortunately, most of the Left's foot soldiers do not do any research of their own, they just parrot mainstream media's points.

posted September 13, 2025 04:15 AM            

which Kirk named these four Black women and said these words, adding that the admission that they had benefited from affirmative action amounted to a confession that they were not bright enough to reach prominence on their own merits

If we would have said three weeks ago […] that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative-action picks, we would have been called racist. But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us! They're coming out and they're saying, "I'm only here because of affirmative action."

Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

Kirk then played a clip of Jackson Lee speaking in Congress, saying she had been admitted to educational institutions on affirmative action. Kirk then went on to make his point again:

We know. We know. It's very obvious to us you are not smart enough to be able to get it on your own. "I could not make it on my own, so I needed to take opportunities from someone more deserving.”
http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-black-women/

posted September 13, 2025 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You only believe what you are told to believe. It was quite the opposite. Kirk respected everyone's opinions and allowed them to speak freely. He listened. Kirk spoke from a place of love.

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posted September 13, 2025 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Here’s the (out of) context:

which Kirk named these four Black women and said these words, adding that the admission that they had benefited from affirmative action amounted to a confession that they were not bright enough to reach prominence on their own merits

If we would have said three weeks ago […] that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative-action picks, we would have been called racist. But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us! They're coming out and they're saying, "I'm only here because of affirmative action."

Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

Kirk then played a clip of Jackson Lee speaking in Congress, saying she had been admitted to educational institutions on affirmative action. Kirk then went on to make his point again:

We know. We know. It's very obvious to us you are not smart enough to be able to get it on your own. "I could not make it on my own, so I needed to take opportunities from someone more deserving.”
http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-black-women/

More lies from the left, or in your case, an inability to fully comprehend what you are reading. So, in essence, Kirk was merely making a dramatic point (for effect) about each of those Black women greatly benefiting from affirmative action (because they admitted as much), which he then interpreted that as THEM saying those misquoted words. I’ll add another one for more of an example. Elizabeth Warren claimed to be Native American to get into college (taking up a slot from a more deserving person. If she thought she could have gotten accepted on her own merits, she wouldn’t have lied! By doing so, she was admitting that she wasn’t smart enough to get accepted by her scores. Kirk wasn’t saying those words himself. Do you understand? Michelle was very recently asked if she would ever marry someone poor, and her reply was: “I did.” Insinuating that she got where she is today by attaching herself to Obama through marriage. Is it racist to reframe someone’s very own words about themself? The illustrious SCOTUS nominee is way out of her league. Her comment about space aliens showed just how far. And let’s not forget about her not being able to define what a woman is because she is “not a biologist.” But we don’t have to speculate about how she got the job. Biden admitted that he was going to give the nomination to a Black woman.

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posted September 13, 2025 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage2:
They claim he was racist because:

1) he said Black people commit 58 % of the crimes while being 13 % of the population. He was vilified for it, but he told the truth, the sad, unfortunate truth the Black community REFUSES to address.

The FBI statistics on homicides confirm what he said:

https://cde.ucr.cjis .gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/special-reportshttps://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/special-reports
Scroll down to the Reported Crimes in the Nation Quick Stats and click on the link, the pdf will open. Here is some of what you can read:

[b]Expanded Homicide
• In 2024, most (76.9%) of the 15,795 murder victims for whom supplemental data were received were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 1.)
• Of the murder victims for whom race was known, 51.6% were Black or African American, 42.8% were White, and 2.9% were of other races. Race was unknown for 420 victims. (See Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)
• Over half (54.0%) of all murders for which the UCR Program received supplemental data were single victim/single offender situations. (See Expanded Homicide Data Table 4).
• Of the offenders whose sex was known, 87.6% were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)
• When the race of the offender was known, 56.4% were Black or African American, 40.8% were White, and 2.7% were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,570 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)

So we are 13% of the population, but when half (51%) of the murder victims in this country are Blacks, and 56% of the perpetrators are Blacks, why is the Black community closing its eyes to this reality? And calling those who bring this to light racist? I truly don't get it. [/B]

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It's poverty and inequality. Not the freaking color of someone's skin. Stop with the eugenics, it's embarrasing.

posted September 13, 2025 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
So what's the context of Charlie Kirk claiming that "Black women like Joy Reid, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Shiela Jackson Lee, and Michelle Obama … used affirmative action because they do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. So they had to steal a white person’s slot"?

That is blatantly racist and there is no way you're able to excuse that.

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I usually do not bother with your posts, but since this is a thread I started, I will just THIS ONCE, take the time to answer, in honor of Charlie who talked to EVERYONE who was willing to engage him. He had more patience then me.
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None of the women Charlie Kirk mentioned have disclosed their SAT scores, which is the score that is used for admittance to those Ivy leagues.

If those women had had high SAT scores THAT MERITED ADMITTANCE REGARDLESS OF RACES, they would have PROUDLY disclosed them! THEY WOULD HAVE SHOUTED THEM TO THE ROOFTOP!!! They are bold, brash, vocal and "proud" Black women.

Therefore, I and everyone else can rightly assume their SAT scores did not meet the mark and their race was THE factor, as these schools practice affirmative actions as we all know.

posted September 13, 2025 02:35 PM            

I don't think Charlie Kirk did a good job talking of racism because he was white himself. Also, he wasn't an empath. A true empath , puts themselves in the shoes of the subject and feel the pain first hand. Unlike all this concept leaning oriented people.

BTW, He was killed because the killer thought of him as one of the many fascists who is destroying America today.

posted September 13, 2025 05:58 PM            

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OMG! Did he say that. For a moment glad he won't be able to spread this poison in this country by his toxicity. Not encouraging someone to be unalive but to shutdown when it hurts people. Humans have emotions and racism is a complex topic that cannot be solved in one class, especially by a privileged white guy.

posted September 14, 2025 10:31 PM            

People like Charlie are hyperfixated on and obsessed with focusing on the flaws of others who are "different" than them. All while completely glossing over the violent behavior, disgusting biases and entitlement issues of some of the people within his OWN community. He was assassinated by a fellow White Man who was raised in a two-parent household that voted Republican! 🤷🏾‍♀️ But he never addressed this issue of most shootings like this being committed by men who look like HIM. Yet he endlessly kept bringing up Black Crime to deflect from the problem?! 🙄 Complaining about Black People or POC being in commercials like a WEIRDO. Acting like Black People are never qualified for the jobs that they get, when White Women are the biggest recipients of DEI. He missed the "good old days" of EVERYTHING being for and about White People ONLY! 💯 And the people who loved him the most shared this sick sentiment.

I vehemently reject this mindset across the board. As it is incredibly problematic. Dangerous even! 🔥 And it makes hateful people feel *emboldened* and appeals to their worst instincts. Don't cry about the Mainstream Media pushing agendas, then turn around and prop up a man like Charlie! Who was seeking to divide and exclude.

posted September 15, 2025 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
This man was a hateful racist. Plain and simple. 💯 There are NO excuses for the vile rhetoric that he spewed towards others who were minding their business.

People like Charlie are hyperfixated on and obsessed with focusing on the flaws of others who are "different" than them. All while completely glossing over the violent behavior, disgusting biases and entitlement issues of some of the people within his OWN community. He was assassinated by a fellow White Man who was raised in a two-parent household that voted Republican! 🤷🏾‍♀️ But he never addressed this issue of most shootings like this being committed by men who look like HIM. Yet he endlessly kept bringing up Black Crime to deflect from the problem?! 🙄 Complaining about Black People or POC being in commercials like a WEIRDO. Acting like Black People are never qualified for the jobs that they get, when White Women are the biggest recipients of DEI. He missed the "good old days" of EVERYTHING being for and about White People ONLY! 💯 And the people who loved him the most shared this sick sentiment.

I vehemently reject this mindset across the board. As it is incredibly problematic. Dangerous even! 🔥 And it makes hateful people feel *emboldened* and appeals to their worst instincts. Don't cry about the Mainstream Media pushing agendas, then turn around and prop up a man like Charlie! Who was seeking to divide and exclude.

Nonetheless, what happened to him was truly horrible. And I *do not* condone murder. NO matter which side of the aisle one is on. 💜

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According to the FBI statistics for the past decades, Black people who make up 12-13% of the US population are overwhelmingly represented in the number of homicide victims. I posted the stats for 2024, which shows 51% of homicide victims in the US are black.

HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!.. ...... DO WE NOT CARE AT ALL?!?!?

The fact that we are the most likely to die by homicide (perpetrated by other blacks) should be a more urgent issue for US BLACK PEOPLE then to hyperventilate that Charlie Kirk, the white messenger, is not focusing on the number of whites committing shooting. The whites are not dying by homicide like we do! Duh!

But as usual, we prefer to focus on the wrong things. As a black person, whenever irl I have tried to talk about the issue of crime with other blacks, I have been called self-hating, coon, and every foul name but a child of God.

And then there are those when they have no choice but to answer you when faced with the stats, that blame the issue on poverty and racism. HOW PITIFUL! Again, another way to avoid self-reflection and taking responsibility and agency for our actions. Like we are not grown human beings but children, without any agency, blown here and there, unable to think and act in our best interests.

posted September 15, 2025 02:01 PM            

Research on the correlation has already been done, using data covering a 60 year period, from roughly the 1880s to 1940:

https://lsupress.org/do-hard-times-cause-crime-the-lessons-of-history/