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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 17, 2011 11:17 AM A Narcissist, a Borderline and a Sociopath? No--it is not a joke lol I would like real answers from those of you who know Thank you very much ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
centaurbythesea Knowflake Posts: 28 From: The Desert Registered: Apr 2011	posted May 21, 2011 04:09 PM Based on my education in Psychology and my personal experiences, I say that Borderline is uncontrollable emotions. These people want to love and do have morals, they just have a cerebral problem dealing with the AMOUNT of emotion...like they don't have pain and happiness filters and can be extremely violent in response to the extreme rage or sadness they are feeling A narcissist is chiefly concerned with him or herself and is extremely aware of his or her physical image. Image is important...being received by an audience. A narcissist chooses not to appreciate those around him, he believes he is most important Sociopath has no concept of right or wrong. A sociopath is incapable of caring for anyone but himself and has no moral compass in how to attain what he wants for himself. He manipulates and cons people without a care Ami Anne, I do not think you are a sociopath. Your light is clear and bright and loving even over the internet. Centaur IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 21, 2011 04:39 PM Centaur You made me cry! ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 21, 2011 04:49 PM Yes.the sociopath one is right.I would not do that.I truly want to give love.It is my greatest joy. ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
starfox Moderator Posts: 380 From: London England Registered: Aug 2010	posted May 21, 2011 05:25 PM They are all just labels. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 22, 2011 10:07 AM Dear Starfox Did you ever have a relationship with a Sociopath? ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
starfox Moderator Posts: 380 From: London England Registered: Aug 2010	posted May 22, 2011 07:25 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Dear Starfox Did you ever have a relationship with a Sociopath? No I haven't, under that name,though in life I've yet to meet anyone who is 'normal' either, humans are a strange species... IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 22, 2011 07:59 PM Yes Starfox You have a good point about normal but when you meet a sociopath,you know it ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
starfox Moderator Posts: 380 From: London England Registered: Aug 2010	posted May 23, 2011 06:44 AM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Yes Starfox You have a good point about normal but when you meet a sociopath,you know it I bet! IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 23, 2011 09:01 AM edit IP: Logged
maira Knowflake Posts: 454 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted May 26, 2011 06:38 PM Hey darling, I hope you are not still pondering that! Centaur is right, I feel your energy and it is a very bright and loving one! As for your question, I am with starfox, they're all labels. But it is useful to know them at first so you can successfully deal with those people. Centaur provided a great explanation. In my opinion, narcissists are lower on the food chain than borderlines, which in turn are lower than sociopaths. They are all predators, but their level of skill differ. And no, I don't think you can spot a sociopath - they are the most well adapted, chameleon like predators that exist (the functional ones). They learn to mimic empathy. They charm you and fool you until they get what they want, and their needs are very different from those of the narcs or BPD's. They do not need validation (narcs can easily be manipulated with this one). They do not have an bottomless pit of unfulfilled love like BPD's have. They'll use you for money, for fun, for the power trip that it gives them, for just about anything. IP: Logged
TrueTaurus Knowflake Posts: 147 From: California Registered: Nov 2010	posted May 27, 2011 02:24 PM I have a question too! Is there a difference between a psychopath and a sociopath? IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 27, 2011 02:31 PM Thank you Maira! ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 27, 2011 02:34 PM Well, to answer your question I just read something about that. The sociopath has no empathy and no conscience. They DO understand rules such as laws.For that reason, they would not kill or do illegal things. The psychopath does things like murder etc. Hmmm I can't remember when one category merges in to the other ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 27, 2011 02:36 PM http://www.sociopathworld.com/ This website answered your question ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
maira Knowflake Posts: 454 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted May 27, 2011 04:21 PM It is true that in folklore, people who kill without remorse are called psychopaths and not sociopaths. In reality, there is no difference between the two - the psychopath suffers from primary psychopathy (he was born that way) and the sociopath suffers from secondary psychopathy (environmental factors, early abuse, etc). Because it's hereditary, primary psychopathy is more severe than the secondary one. Antisocial PD goes into remission when the person is around 50. I think it would be interesting to also discuss the similarities of these diseases, for instance how other people are merely inanimate objects to them, NPD, BPD and sociopaths alike. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 27, 2011 04:30 PM So if you love a sociopath,you can wait until he is 50 and goes in to remission --JUST KIDDING ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
maira Knowflake Posts: 454 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted May 27, 2011 04:34 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: So if you love a sociopath,you can wait until he is 50 and goes in to remission --JUST KIDDING ...but if you have one for a father, it's a GOOD thing IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 27, 2011 04:35 PM Maira Please talk about what you know if you care to. You sound like you know first hand ,too. ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 27, 2011 04:36 PM Your father? Please talk about it if you could ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 27, 2011 04:50 PM What was living with a sociopath like on a daily basis? What did it do to your mother? I understand if it is too sensitive to talk about Maira ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
maira Knowflake Posts: 454 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted May 27, 2011 04:55 PM Well, my dad has primary psychopathy. As I said, he went into remission about ten years ago - I think I would have ceased all contact with him otherwise. I love him with all my heart. Needless to say, childhood was not pretty (Pluto in 1st, in opposition to Sun-Mars-Venus, Saturn in 12th). I don't have a TOB for him, but I believe he is also a Libra ascendant and that I inherited Saturn in the 12th from him, along with Venus - Pluto (mom has Sun - Pluto, go figure ) I was a strong kid. I once read that Pluto in the first meant a strong grandmother figure, which I had. I fought him with all my blood and bones ever since I decided that I was right and he was wrong. Not physically, he never laid a hand on me, but mentally - I decided that he didn't count and that he did not deserve my love. And he knew it. It was mutual. We reconciled seven years ago, just before I got married. I needed his emotional help and he was there for me. Something just sort of clicked. Since then, it's like we have a set of rules - and he definitely comprehends rational rules, I get along way better with him than with my mother. Somehow, I earned his respect, at least partially. His business associated would say that it's just a case of the alpha wolf whose fangs have become worn out. He's my dad. I understand him and I love him just the way he is In the next episode, about my ex-husband, the NPD IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11830 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 27, 2011 05:02 PM Thank you Maira My website says you MUST earn their respect if you are to have any relationship with them. Maybe they only understand brute strength like an animal ------------------ ‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
maira Knowflake Posts: 454 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted May 27, 2011 05:03 PM My mom was an alcoholic for about ten years. I "saved" her by crying every day from the time I was able to comprehend what she was doing to herself until I was thirteen, when I manipulated her into quitting. Of course, I developed a savior complex, but that's another story They were together from the time she was 16, him 17, until 12 years ago, I think it's about 35 years. He tried to kill her just once, when they were young and she wanted out. Mental abuse, physical abuse, the woman loves him to this day. It's an addiction, remember the "charming and glibness" part? IP: Logged
maira Knowflake Posts: 454 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted May 27, 2011 05:17 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Thank you Maira My website says you MUST earn their respect if you are to have any relationship with them. Maybe they only understand brute strength like an animal Yes! This is what I was saying on the other thread. In interactions, a normal person uses empathy and emotions. This is the weakness they prey on. It's not necessarily about force, but about rationality. There are things that they fear, just not our regular ones - loss of love, etc. One can use those fears against the sociopath. Force is always the last "weapon" to be used, because the sociopaths fears are hard to find out and usually they are fearless to the point of unconsciousness in the face of conflict. IP: Logged

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