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Dinobleue9
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posted January 04, 2013 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dinobleue9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects do you think you would find in the synastry chart of two people who enter into a master/slave, dominant/submissive-type relationship with each other? (I'm VERY curious about this as it is very relevant to my life right now. o_O)

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posted January 04, 2013 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd say harsh aspects between
Moon-Mars
Moon-Pluto
Mars-Neptune

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posted January 04, 2013 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends what the relationship is more about. Discipline is more Saturn-related, and I've found Sun-Saturn to be particularly relevant. Power games are more Pluto's turf. Violence is Mars. Combine all of that and add Venus and Moon to the mix if the relationship is also romantic. Neptune too, on the submission side. Heavy 8th house action whether in synastry or composite.


This is my composite with my current partner, though we're neither Master/slave or D/s, more like Top/bottom. He's usually the bottom, though we switch when I feel like it. His birth time is unknown so don't mind the houses.

And the synastry.. He's red, I'm blue.


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posted January 04, 2013 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiderata     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm the slave, in red, he's the Master, in blue. The relationship is more about sex and violence, he really likes to hurt me in bed and hear me crying (he's really sweet after sex tho, and likes to take care of me, also), but there's nothing about discipline involved.

This relationship has been described in this topic, lol.

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posted January 04, 2013 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure about what aspects would point to those types of inclinations. I wonder more about what aspects would make a person completely bored and even turned off by these power dynamics in bed, like I am. Extreme role playing....is not something I can take seriously. I think it would just end up being amused and burst out laughing at it all.

I also am not interested in movies (especially horror ones) or drama tv series, or anything fake or too OTT.

Maybe if you find out the astrological answers to your questions here, we will also be able to figure out the astro opposite of it all.

May be Pluto in Libra, but I like things to be real, balanced, honest and equal. That's sexy.

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posted January 04, 2013 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah I am pretty vanilla and don't like horror so much as well lol!

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posted January 04, 2013 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not exactly sure BDSM can be determined with synastry it's really more of a natal thing. A person can't make you want to enter that type of sexual relationship, there has to be something already in you to want to explore that realm of sexuality. Besides for some odd reasons and a couple of cheezy "Mommy P-o-r-n" cough "Fifty shades of" more people have been becoming for openly interested in it. Though most of it seems to be purely experimentation.

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posted January 04, 2013 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well of course Ail & T (& Sand), but I don't think it's what the OP was asking. And as we all know, there is no way of telling how any aspect - whether in natal, synastry or composite - will play out. Astrology works in symbols and there are quite a few interpretations for each. As for what makes a person interested in that lifestyle (or not), it's a different subject and also open to interpretation.


I am seeing a lot of Venus-Saturn in these relationships, I got to say. Which is funny, because usually this marks for impossible relationships in vanilla world (or unrequited, or slow to get off the ground etc), but seems to be working just fine in D/s world.

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posted January 04, 2013 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dinobleue9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Hera. Yes we have Venus-Saturn double whammy... His Saturn is opposite my Venus, and my Saturn squares his Venus. I want to post our chart but I need to do that on my desktop and not my phone! There's major Saturn in the synastry as well as his natal.

Desiderata, thanks for sharing your story. I read it and it seems like an interesting relationship! Definitely similar tones to how I feel. Our age difference is pretty much the same as yours as well!

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posted January 04, 2013 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A really HOT S&M or BDSM thing would be ... if both people have Venus/Mars aspecting Saturn/Neptune or Pluto in natal.. (two or more aspects - conj/opp & square mainly). Having Venus/Mars in Capricorn/Pisces and Scorpio - counts as well!

And if, in synastry ^ these people also have close Venus/Mars aspects *with* each other (mainly conj/opp/square).
It doesn't matter if it's Venus/Venus, Venus/Mars, Mars/Mars whatever - the more aspects the better.

For example --- say two people born in the same generation who have... Venus conj Mars/Mars square Mars and Venus opp Venus all in synastry --- PLUS generational aspects from those planets to Pluto/Neptune/Saturn --- that would be *REOW*

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posted January 04, 2013 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Well of course Ail & T (& Sand), but I don't think it's what the OP was asking. And as we all know, there is no way of telling how any aspect - whether in natal, synastry or composite - will play out. Astrology works in symbols and there are quite a few interpretations for each. As for what makes a person interested in that lifestyle (or not), it's a different subject and also open to interpretation.


I am seeing a lot of Venus-Saturn in these relationships, I got to say. Which is funny, because usually this marks for impossible relationships in vanilla world (or unrequited, or slow to get off the ground etc), but seems to be working just fine in D/s world.


Do we have bdsm synastry? Lol! Am not so sure u can dominate me though. U can try.

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posted January 04, 2013 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dinobleue9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's our synastry chart. I don't have a birth time for him. I'm on the inside:

Like I said, we have the DW of his Saturn opposing my Venus, as well as my Saturn trine his Venus.
His Saturn is also conjunct my ASC and loosely conjunct my Moon. He comes across as very stern and arrogant...he makes me very nervous and I feel the need to prove myself to him. I thought he was such an @sshole when I first met him, but then a strong sexual attraction grew. He struck me as a very controlled, disciplined, isolated man...and for someone like me who likes to be dominated, I am very turned on by him.
His Venus is conjunct my Mars
My Mars squares his Pluto
His Pluto squares my Moon and Venus
His Mars in in my 8th House as well.
I think his Sun on my MC makes me really look up to him and respect him.

Um, he is my boss by the way!

His natal:

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posted January 05, 2013 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sand:
Do we have bdsm synastry? Lol! Am not so sure u can dominate me though. U can try.

Men are easily dominated through sex, women through love. Your hedonistic side is your weak spot in this case. We have Venus-Saturn (dw?) I think, as well as Venus-Mars. Not sure about the rest.

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posted January 05, 2013 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
A really HOT S&M or BDSM thing would be ... if both people have Venus/Mars aspecting Saturn/Neptune or Pluto [b]in natal.. (two or more aspects - conj/opp & square mainly). Having Venus/Mars in Capricorn/Pisces and Scorpio - counts as well!

And if, in synastry ^ these people also have close Venus/Mars aspects *with* each other (mainly conj/opp/square).
It doesn't matter if it's Venus/Venus, Venus/Mars, Mars/Mars whatever - the more aspects the better.

For example --- say two people born in the same generation who have... Venus conj Mars/Mars square Mars and Venus opp Venus all in synastry --- PLUS generational aspects from those planets to Pluto/Neptune/Saturn --- that would be *REOW*[/B]



Not a BDSM case (except a spiritual one maybe ), this reminds me of a synastry I had or have with a local performer.


He has got Venus in Capricorn square Mars in Libra, with Mars being on the antiscion/ contrascion of his Chiron-Pluto-opposition, wich Chiron being conjunct Saturn and BML, all in Pisces.

I myself have Venus in Capricorn square Pluto and Mars conjunct Neptune.

He`s gay, so any kind of "romantic synastry" would have to be experienced differently.
Anyway, the energy he is radiating, or that I receive, is extremely electric and almost "violent" in a sense that it seems to penetrate easily any kind of "psychic field or shield".
I will not make the mistake again, to be having a seat in first row, when he is performing. The times I had, I had to constantly fight the impulse to giggle all the time (I NEVER giggle), just to get rid of all that nervous tension. Not emotional, not romantic, I don`t really know what that was.

We have never talked, and I definitely always kept my distance from him (he comes across as the nicest, sweetest guy ever, very easygoing with others, but I don`t know to me he just spells "danger" in huge glaring letters ). Nowadays I am even making a point avoiding concerts or shows he could appear in. I really don´t need this electricity that is too disconcerting. lol

However, though we never spoke, when he sometimes looked at me, he looked so angry. Boy, he doesn`t even know me, and I had the clear feeling that my sheer presence made him "aggressive" somehow.
I never really understand the saying that someone can "burn" you with their looks, until I "met" him.
And I didn`t even do anything except for being.


Well, I was wondering if our synastry might have a say in this.

His Venus conjuncts my Venus
his Eros conjuncts my Venus

his Pluto conjuncts my Mars exact
his Venus squares my Pluto
his Eros squares my Pluto
his Mars squares my Venus

his Mars also sextiles my Neptune exact
his Mars sextiles my ASC and Mars, too
his Venus sextiles my Jupiter exact
his Jupiter trines my Mars


In the composite Pluto opposes Moon widely and squares Sun tightly

Venus in Capricorn sextiles Mars in Scorpio tightly


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posted January 05, 2013 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^i think I'm more of a chick then. I can be controlled through love. sex no.

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posted January 05, 2013 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The circular charts with the lines....it looks like his saturn touches your Black moon lilith and moon. Your BML is connected to not only your pluto but his Uranus and his pluto.

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posted January 05, 2013 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
The circular charts with the lines....it looks like his saturn touches your Black moon lilith and moon. Your BML is connected to not only your pluto but his Uranus and his pluto.

You think BML has smth to do with this? I have mine sq Sat, Pluto and Mars. In Aqua, 1st house. Opposite Nessus. Hmmmm... food for thought there.

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posted January 05, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think mine sextiles my mars.

bml is also in h5 pisces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6NST85dzNg

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posted January 05, 2013 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
You think BML has smth to do with this? I have mine sq Sat, Pluto and Mars. In Aqua, 1st house. Opposite Nessus. Hmmmm... food for thought there.

Yes, this is why I play attention to all of the Lilith's. I don't think its purely venus/mars conjunctions,venus or mars/pluto, venus/saturn etc aspects. The main themes of the myths involving Lilith surrounds the "divine feminine" aspect and "Domination/Submission" whether you think she was a succubus or just a fiery independent spirit she refused to "lay beneath adam" because he didn't view her as his equal. Emotional or physical bondage & domination/discipline, sadism & masochism, roleplay can all relate back to the underlying issues between Lilith , Adam and later Eve(more submissive than lilith but still defiant) :women and men.
In your case since you say you alternate I am assuming he has some lilith contacts in his chart just as you do with allows for a more power neutral relationship.

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posted January 05, 2013 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
You think BML has smth to do with this? I have mine sq Sat, Pluto and Mars. In Aqua, 1st house. Opposite Nessus. Hmmmm... food for thought there.

Yes, BML DEFINITELY.
Though I only really pay attention to the true BML and sometimes the mean one.

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posted January 05, 2013 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well my current partner (though in the new light of things soon to be my ex partner) has BML conj Jupiter in Cancer. Both sq my Sun (and Lust). My BML opposes his Venus. The aspects are kinda wide.

Now the dude I am VERY attracted to has an exact conjunction of BML and Pluto which exactly oppose my Mercury, ruler of 5 and 8. What is also very interesting is that he has asteroid SADO conj BML and Pluto (and yes, he's a sadist) in exact opposition to MY Sado (which conj my Mercury ruler of 8). He was actually the person that made me realize that I am a sadist too (consensually ofc) because he was mirroring my own sadistic nature, with which I struggled in the beginning unwilling to recognize it. Now, for my Lilith. It squares his Sun exact (possibly also his Moon depending on birth time which I don't have yet). The chemistry with him is sizzling, despite not having Venus-Mars in synastry, and it's mutual. He also wants a switching situation with me but I haven't agreed yet.

I've checked a few charts for people I know in the scene. In most, BML does make important aspects to planets. But not in all. I didn't check all Liliths and I don't have birth time for most of these people, so there might be more connections there. All in all, I'd say you might be onto something there!

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posted January 05, 2013 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dinobleue9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! I looked at his BML and it's at 3 degrees Pisces....conjunct my Mercury and trine my Moon/BML conjunction. Also trine Saturn in his natal chart.

And I just noticed that his Juno(and maybe his Venus and maybe his Chiron) are pretty much on my Sun/Moon midpoint.

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posted January 06, 2013 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hera,

the placement of true BML might change a little over the day, depending on her speed that day.
The mean one is more stable.
Some astrologers find the mean one quite telling as well, but to be honest, I am not using the mean nodes, why would I use the mean Black Moon then? That wouldn´t feel really consistent to me.


Anyway, BML can create some really heavy attraction, not only in terms of BDSM, but in general. But the attraction she creates very often feels "forbidden" or "taboo" or in the very least so strong, that it feels almost dangerous to touch on that.
The reason for that is that she doesn`T know compromise. She leads you into your (or his) soul, no matter if you want that or not. No shades of grey.


She also is indicative of possible Kundalini experiences.


Actually I started to use her regularly, and I see her, if not as ruler, as having fraternal symbolism with the 8th house, sort of a Moon/Pluto-conjunction, melted into one point.

Now, BML conjunct Pluto in a natal charts looks VERY intense.

Actually I have observed that many actors, who played vampires or in vampire films/ series, either have a strong theme of Pluto/Scorpio or if that is missing, BML often appears. I don`t think that is coincidental.

BTW if it is supported by other fitting aspects, it can add a lot of depth to a soulmate relationship as well (she is a lunar point after all).

Paul Newman had Pluto on 12 Cancer conjunct true BML on 12 Cancer on his DESC on 13 Cancer,
which fell onto his wife`s Proserpina/DESC-conjunction on 11 Cancer

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posted January 06, 2013 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri,

Given the mythology of Lilith, I was surprised to see that precisely in some charts of Dominas it made no significant aspect. But maybe the asteroid might. Will have to re-check charts for that and the mean BML.

Yeah, he's intense lol. He has the conjunction, I have the square. Mine is wider though. Oh, forgot to mention his conjunction is square to Nessus, which sits on my DC. (and squares my Dejanira).

Speaking of that, I wonder if Dejanira might play a role in submissives' charts, Nessus for dominants. Well I know mine do - both of them, actually.

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posted January 06, 2013 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking of Nessus and DEja as well.

Are you sure BML does not make any significant aspects? What aspects were you looking for?

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