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Topic: Attentention all twenty-something's~
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SunChild
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posted January 08, 2013 05:27 PM
  
SSRI's and their link to violence. Not saying in every case it is the cause but it contributes a great deal to it, young teens and early adults often prescribed SSRI's and it's definitely not something that is highlighted very often.
Apparently there are more people who are mentally ill than ever before which I do blame connectivity to devices over the natural world- and SSRI's.
I grew up drug and screen free however, I have several half-siblings and they are all reckless so I worry for them.
I'm nearly out of my twenties and I do not relate to any 20somethings as the majority of my friends are over 40 or 50. But yes I do agree, generally speaking & culturally speaking.references; http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school
http://www.benthamscience.com/cds/samples/cds1-1/Henry.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18690915
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SunChild
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posted January 08, 2013 05:36 PM
The above I was talking about something a lot more serious.Though being violent takes many shapes and forms and from what I gather hippi you may not have been talking about what I was referring to though It's good to raise that. One word. Desensitization. I know first hand what young teens and twenty somethings do that even their parents do not think they do, that is access to extremely hard porn, violence made into novelty on youtube and other media, unrestricted games, instant gratification, that wisdom is not involved in their life or their parents- so in this light we can see how violence is an antidote to boredom and a release for tension that exists in our modern world. Highly sad.
This is true everywhere in varying degrees and extremes. My sisters roomies had a simple argument over a deep fryer that leaked oil. turned into punch ups and threats, going way too far involving all of them, house trashed and all. Mind you, meth played a part in that. All my 4 siblings are under 23 down to 14 and I thought I had seen it all. Ugh!
There are many though who are immune to this which I find highly curious.
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PixieJane
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posted January 08, 2013 07:31 PM
Much of what I've seen stated about kids applies to people of all ages, from desensitization to a desire for instant gratification (though the older do tend to become more realistic in their expectations, but even that won't stop them from complaining about the microwave taking too long  ), love of sex & violence, not having much sense, etc. For the most part I actually find the younger generations more hopeful as they seem a little better to me (a tad more literate, a little less violent, a significantly stronger sense of fairness in many, etc).And as Sun Child mentioned SSRIs have been linked to many acts of mass murder (among other terrible things), both in adults as well as kids. And many parents, seeking instant gratification and to shirk their responsibilities are all too happy to give their kids a pill that promises to make them easier to manage, and then not only fail to monitor them (most who become dangerous on medications show signs of it that are overlooked because people think the problem is solved, the entire point is an easy solution) but then set them in front of a TV or computer (the most popular babysitter) and don't hesitate to buy them movies and games that are rated for adults only (with a detailed explanation on WHY they're rated that way, at least in the case of games), though most parents will balk at sex or pot but not grisly murders and slashers. (At the height of that insanity was Hillary Clinton along with Republicans trying to get the rating raised on Grand Theft Auto because IF kids got some codes from a hacker, which they could do online if someone told them where to look, then it released a vanilla sex scene and so to "protect children" the rating was raised so one had to be 18 instead of 17 to buy it, while the shooting of cops & prostitutes, not to mention carjacking that the game was named for, just didn't seem to concern them at all.  ) And even those parents who DO gripe about games like GTA lose a lot of credibility when they're dedicated fans of shows like The Sopranos and Dexter (even those who assert that adults can handle such themes more maturely should realize kids see themselves as at least as capable as adults, at least themselves, and of course those games generally require parental approval to get anyway). I personally don't know how much of an affect they have. Looks to me like the vast majority who indulge in violent media never snap or engage in more violence than generations before them, and that makes me somewhat skeptical. OTOH, I have seen people (all ages) who mistook fiction for real life (sometimes even when their kids can tell the difference) and the media has inspired people in other ways (a show of lawyers inspired many to go to law school, more than one engineer said they chose their career because of Scotty on Star Trek, etc), and I got into skateboarding and a type of music because of seeing the R-rated Crow when I was 11 (OTOH I never set fires, smoked cigarettes, or became a bloodthirsty vigilante despite all that such was far more prevalent in the movie than skateboarding). I read somewhere that Back to the Future made skateboarding popular in the 80s as well. My girl loves archery and I do think books & movies like The Hunger Games as well as Brave have at least encouraged that interest much as The Crow got me interested in skateboarding. So, I don't know how that works. But one thing I am sure of is that parents (or other guardians and live role models) have far more effect on how children turn out than the media (though I believe the media has a lesser effect for better and for worse), and I also suspect that the real danger of video games & TV is lack of face to face contact than the content (and perhaps that's why most don't become violent because they're not immersed in it half the day or more everyday as at least a few are). IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted January 08, 2013 07:55 PM
And another thing that is that schools have changed. Pressure was always a factor, but these days (here in the USA) you can fail kindergarten now if a child can't read. When I was in kindergarten it was impossible to fail it, and I was considered remarkable for having learned to read by the time it was over. That said, our schools are much more geared toward testing than learning today because of the No Child Left Behind Act (which would have had an affect on those in their early 20s today), which is harder in some ways, easier in others, and a very bad idea overall as it leaves very little foundation as it promotes rote memorization without actual learning or understanding so that it's forgotten when no longer needed and as a result many with a diploma have to take "bone head" courses, that is remedial high school, before they can start college. Another interesting bit is that our first graders are usually a little better than most first graders in Europe but by high school our kids are shockingly ignorant compared to their European peers. And that also adds pressure by teachers because to advance they have to produce kids that can pass the tests because it affects funding.And it's not just teachers, it's parents who have fallen for the testing. See test scores are recorded and thus can impact a kid's future, especially if they enter college, so there's HUGE pressure to excel, and this puts them in competition with their friends as well (and the parents who like to brag do all they can to make their kids beat the kids of other parents which can lead parents turning even best friends into bitter rivals) and also load them with AP courses, extra-curriculars, internships, test prep courses, and the like to get into those hard-to-get spots in top colleges. Of course many do the same with athletics as well, some parents even force their kids to be in sports (despite that it costs a lot), and, of course, to WIN...and gods helps the kids who don't actually want to. And if you think jocks are bad for often being given a free pass at bullying (and sometimes even felonious crimes), the parents can be even worse where they've actually gotten violent with coaches & referees during the game (sometimes leading to being kicked out, other times resulting in arrests). Interesting enough, in elementary school the kids sometimes show more maturity and sportsmanship than their parents (I think that must've been common for awhile as an early Simpsons ep explored that theme, the one where Bart & Lisa "fight for their parents love" on the hockey field that end with the parents tearing the hockey stadium apart). And that intense pressure, btw, is the reason for why kids (at least girls) LOVE The Hunger Games, a story of corrupt and sadistic adults who force kids to fight to death, even kids who love each other. The crushing despair and upset over it speaks to their souls, and they can't help but cheer as kids find ways to fight back. And not only is that pressure and alienation intense, but to make good test takers socialization and other factors of school are sacrificed so they're even worse than when I went to school, and then kids keep getting boomer drivel on how easy they have it and life is only going to get worse (glad the "It Gets Better Project" came out, but all kids need to hear that, not just the gay ones) would only make their despair worse if they already feel like failures. Those who don't get the top grades may very well feel that their lives are over, with possibly very unfortunate results on society as well as themselves. IP: Logged |
frankie2912
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posted January 10, 2013 10:00 PM
I just turned 26..I have a sister who just turned 23 and a brother who is 21. I interact a lot with people younger than me.My opinion - I think my age of people and older mostly have their sh*t together. They see the troubles and problems in the world but they try to turn it around for themselves and try to MAKE something. However, I see a lot of people around my BROTHER'S AGE (20-21) that just don't give a f*ck about anything. Yes, I do notice the violence..the substance abuse (which is prevalent in every generation's youth, I think), the hopelessness, lack of direction, apathy...and I grew up and am still living in a small, "Christian", "wholesome" Midwestern town. People my brother's age and younger are just lost. Again, just my opinion and my own observations. If there is anything to blame, I blame media, movies, and commercialized music. It all glorifies laziness, violence, selfishness, stupidity, everything that is disgusting and debilitating. I think SunChild makes a good point by mentioning our over-medicated society. My best friends are medicating their 5 year old child because he's hyperactive and violent. Everyone and their dog is on some sort of anti-depressant, mood stabilizer, anti-anxiety medication...everyone and their dog is diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, ADD, whatever..I think THOSE problems can be solved with proper nutrition, exercise, and meditation/cognitive training as well as creative outlets. But that's too hard for people these days. The easy way out is a pill. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted January 10, 2013 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by frankie2912:
If there is anything to blame, I blame media, movies, and commercialized music. It all glorifies laziness, violence, selfishness, stupidity, everything that is disgusting and debilitating.I think SunChild makes a good point by mentioning our over-medicated society. My best friends are medicating their 5 year old child because he's hyperactive and violent. Everyone and their dog is on some sort of anti-depressant, mood stabilizer, anti-anxiety medication...everyone and their dog is diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, ADD, whatever..I think THOSE problems can be solved with proper nutrition, exercise, and meditation/cognitive training as well as creative outlets. But that's too hard for people these days. The easy way out is a pill.
Being from the Bible belt (not "from" but I've lived here 6 years) I get where you're coming from. And I completely agree about the media. Our youth (nor the generations before or after) were never educated on how to receive all those kinds of messages! How to pick them apart to understand what they're really selling or using to convince you to buy into their idea. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted January 10, 2013 11:02 PM
I liked this by MAD TV which examined (and made fun of) the medication of kids:
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hippichick
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posted January 12, 2013 09:57 PM
Promise I am getting back to this SOON!Thank you all so much!!! In the middle of a work week...  My nearly 21 year old told me it has alot to do with her, anyway, that she had to learn to fight and save herself in the school system she grew up in... Sign of the times, I suppose. t~ IP: Logged |
SpooL
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posted January 15, 2013 10:57 PM
I haven't read all of the remarks.The problem is inspiration and environment. Teachers are failing to inspire teens that they can aspire to greater and better things and the environment has created a situation were just getting by day to day is more important than reaching a long term goal. ---------------------------------------
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hippichick
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posted January 17, 2013 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I was real macho in my late teens and early 20s myself. I was trained in violence and felt invincible. I would brag that I had a 75% kill rate without scope at 330 meters (aka 1000 feet). That was until I visited Cheoung Ek aka the Killing Fields in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, and Auschwitz-Birkenau in Poland. Walking through Bethlehem and East Jerusalem would beat the violence out of anyone. Anyone who thinks they are invincible should visit Zamboanga, Mindanao in the Philippines, and then come out and tell us your story. If I weren't a married man, I would want to see places like Kabul or Mogadishu. Life is precious, and Hollywood is clueless.
YTA well what can I say...this tops it...your statement is enough...blessins~  IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted January 17, 2013 10:33 AM
Lexx: your input and wisdom in welcom anytime! Perhaps the violencd was born in the time you speak of....my youngest, almost 21 now (Aqua lady) reminded me that for her generation had to learn early, even kindergarten....how to "fight" for what was theirs. So I am looking back to the parenting style of those days..."get out there, go get em, make something of yourself!" well now, we shall see!!! IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted January 17, 2013 10:45 AM
Hanneli:Very good thoughts....why do they whine do you suppose? Was it an error in the parenting of my generation, or a collective peer pressure thing, like I just spoke of? T! I am fine....I have a Scorpio asc, afterall, I always rise again, and again and again..... Sun: well my goodness, a woman after my heart...this generation I speak of has been offered this pill and that....I see this generation in my line of work and I just shake my head: Prescription after prescription and more prescriptions to aleve the side effects of the prescritpions..... Personally, I am on an SSRI, but I have PTSD and terribly altered brain chemistry that has also affected my heart, so to "live" I have to be, for now Beautiful thoughts! frankie: "If there is anything to blame, I blame media, movies, and commercialized music. It all glorifies laziness, violence, selfishness, stupidity, everything that is disgusting and debilitating." HERE HERE! my almost 21 year old was watching Bad Girls...I just have to sigh.... Spool: "I haven't read all of the remarks.
The problem is inspiration and environment. Teachers are failing to inspire teens that they can aspire to greater and better things and the environment has created a situation were just getting by day to day is more important than reaching a long term goal." I will agree somewhat....it does take a village to raise a youngin...we are all responsible for the upbringing of them... I brought myself up, had to. I had no real peer models nor adult models, cept for my lovely grandparents who raised me with their values, and I am so greatful for that. IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted January 17, 2013 10:46 AM
LOve to you ALL!Going to go back and see if I missed anybody... Been busy this week, ranch sitting in the lovely Texas Hill Country! IP: Logged |
libraschoice77
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posted January 17, 2013 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by T:
Remember when we were kids, Terri and we played outside, had hobbies and violent video games and tv shows where not something we focussed on so much.We also werent connected to some kind of device (computer, cell phone) that kept us staring at a screen to see what our friends where doing all the time. We were instead building forts, swimming in streams, camping out in the woods, fixing cars, knitting, painting, babysitting etc etc. I thank god that I grew up in the time I did. And am not growing up a kid or teen or twenty somehting in the world today. I know there are perks and positive things one could point out,but overall, I think it's ******* us up more as people than anything else ever has. Kids these days will never find stillness within or peace of mind, (unless they are lucky to hear about it and ways to from someone and try hard enough detach and seek it out) it seems. *note
i'm not blaming all these violent young mens actions on video games or violent movies ALONE.... but i do think they play a part. along with how social interactions have changed so drastically today. Saying...there's a lot that plays into it all. For sure.
Grew up in the same generation as you, when I was in elementry school, after school I would go swimming at the Y, or go play softball with the neighborhood kids. There was no computer to chat on or video game to occupy the time away. It just seems its a way for todays youth to escape lifes ”realities”. Personal interaction is becoming obsolete, and its getting worse. Now a days if you want to say hi to someone, you leave a message on their Facebook. Times have changed alot. Just think theres to much desensitizing to violence, and its various things. IP: Logged |
SpooL
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posted January 17, 2013 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by hippichick:
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I brought myself up, had to. I had no real peer models nor adult models, cept for my lovely grandparents who raised me with their values, and I am so greatful for that.
hippichick, You should be very proud of yourself, your special and one of the few people who can. Give your self a pat on the back. I was referring to teens who have grown up in tough neighborhoods and have the set mentality that its just the way life is. But, there are a few that break out of a tough situation. Your an example of that. Imagine living in N. Korea you've never seen anything better and are taught that the way life is. There are a lot of teens that are like that. I grew up in the better side of Toronto and I grew up seeing better things. When I was 9, my mom took me to her office and I would just sit and be marveled seeing this big office building with people coming in and out in suits. Then, I moved to Ottawa and the mentality is a lot different. Its either you work for the Federal government or you work in the service sector here.
Families with children in the government aren't taught anything else outside of Ottawa and don't realize theirs a lot better outside of Ottawa. The same is for a lot of people that work in the service sector they haven't seen much better either. ---------------------------------------
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T
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posted January 17, 2013 01:31 PM
hippi, yeah you do. Youre an awesome lady. libraschoice77, thanks for saying. Those were the days, werent they?  Yeah, the times have changed, which can be good in many ways, of course. But in other ways, not so much. Sounds like we both feel lucky we grew up when we did. I feel a little bit bad for kids these days. It's almost like watching them get swept away in a tidal wave.... Thank god i'm not a parent. I don't think i could handle it. I'd be too over-protective. I wouldnt even let my young kid visit LL.  IP: Logged | |
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