posted January 07, 2013 02:39 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
^twenty something's do that? Not teens?

I was pretty lost (probably still am lol) in my early twenties.but in a different way. I wasn't happy with the options. I was too proud. I felt like a rocket at it's highest climb when I graduated. Then Saturn started going downhill in my chart. I'm Saturn Dom in color. I was paralyzed for a long time. My ego wouldn't accept things it didn't deem worthy. It was v v hard for me to start at the bottom. I escaped through other options. Fashion. Travel. Stupid waste of income unearned/ time/ experience/ learning a skill. Then I felt that was unfulfilling too so I stopped. I spent the same and slowly but surely went broke lol! Being broke drives a Taurus crazy. And taureans r the only people that get fat the more broke they are lol! Subconscious hoarding perhaps haha! If I hadn't done anything in college, which was set up a small business which is medium sized now I would probably be waiting tables somewhere punching people in basements, especially ones that wear boat shoes. I also have this self destructive streak of burning options. I knew those decisions were wrong, they were calculated risks, but I wanted to go there. I still do that. When I'm safe and comfortable I'll look for adventure. Move. Chase someone. Just to see if I can do it. Just to test. I test so many things. People, myself. Boundaries to be broken, to be made. I wonder if this fighting is not this energy.. testing each other's boundaries. How far they are willing to fight. Idk.. / shrug

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posted January 07, 2013 03:49 AM            

The 70s, however, were quite violent, one of the most violent for the USA in the 20th century IIRC (at least for random violence). It's the reason vigilante movies became so popular as Americans were so afraid of men 25 and younger. Rape, robbery, hard drugs, and the like were rampant, and political violence was likewise all too common, from the Symbionese Liberation Army kidnapping the wealthy,robbing banks and killing those who got in their way to politicians being brazenly attacked and even assassinated (I think airports were a lot more violent back then, too, but maybe I'm thinking of the 80s on that one). Of course the 1980s saw the rise of major street gangs (the Bloods & Crips being the most infamous, though they don't sound quite as bad as the "Northerners vs. Southerners" of the Mexican cartels today) that spread across the nation (and mostly males in their 20s and younger). So it wasn't just a bunch of harmless stoners back then.

I did a quick check and it appears that violent crime has continued to go down (and most violent crime is done by males 30 and younger):
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime- in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime

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When considering 5- and 10-year trends, the 2011 estimated violent crime total was 15.4 percent below the 2007 level and 15.5 percent below the 2002 level

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posted January 07, 2013 08:02 AM            

That was until I visited Cheoung Ek aka the Killing Fields in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, and Auschwitz-Birkenau in Poland. Walking through Bethlehem and East Jerusalem would beat the violence out of anyone. Anyone who thinks they are invincible should visit Zamboanga, Mindanao in the Philippines, and then come out and tell us your story. If I weren't a married man, I would want to see places like Kabul or Mogadishu.

posted January 07, 2013 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I was real macho in my late teens and early 20s myself. I was trained in violence and felt invincible. I would brag that I had a 75% kill rate without scope at 330 meters (aka 1000 feet).

That was until I visited Cheoung Ek aka the Killing Fields in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, and Auschwitz-Birkenau in Poland. Walking through Bethlehem and East Jerusalem would beat the violence out of anyone. Anyone who thinks they are invincible should visit Zamboanga, Mindanao in the Philippines, and then come out and tell us your story. If I weren't a married man, I would want to see places like Kabul or Mogadishu.

Life is precious, and Hollywood is clueless.

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posted January 07, 2013 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
what confuses me is all these youngins getting pregnant with all the free or affordable birth control thats available. i dont get it lol

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posted January 07, 2013 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

Definitely a location thing, the youth pregnancy rate is at near-record lows nationally...

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posted January 07, 2013 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

Definitely a location thing, the youth pregnancy rate is at near-record lows nationally...

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posted January 07, 2013 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
its not just a youth thing... i'm also talking about people in their early 20s who are not ready to have kids... but they have them anyways...

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posted January 07, 2013 04:52 PM            

For a lack of a better term, those I know 25 and younger seem..withdrawn? afraid? mimicking what they see others doing?

I've experienced lots of curiosity about being genuine, but a sort of uncertainty when it comes to making choices as if everything should be done via consensus.

That is not a slam or swipe, more a bit of surprise at the amount of information available to make choices and decisions and yet?

What I've seen is the local occupy movement will protest at a bank, then use that bank's credit card to buy stuff.

posted January 07, 2013 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
what confuses me is all these youngins getting pregnant with all the free or affordable birth control thats available. i dont get it lol

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You're in the Deep South, right? If so they may shy away from that as slutty (but not the actual sex), and may also do a lot of drinking to carry out their repressed sexual desires which of course adds to the chances of pregnancy.

Men are also seen as meal tickets, and one of the best ways to ensnare them is to get pregnant by them, especially in this age of DNA testing. Of course most young women who do this don't realize just how expensive kids are in the first place (and unfortunately there's very little oversight on whether or not a mother uses child support in good faith, because if there was she wouldn't profit at all and would thus discourage this tactic). They're also good for welfare to sympathy help (and can be especially attractive if the kids can be dropped off for long periods of time with other family). At least a few have this insane idea that the part of "unconditional love" comes from the baby rather than from the mother who has to deal with a shrieking, messy infant and expensive, challenging child.

posted January 07, 2013 10:05 PM            

Yours was the first post I read, and it struck quite a chord in my heart...I so hear what you are saying and I think this is so, so true..sign of the times? Perhaps

Sand~

The middle childrend of history....I LIKE that! Yes I can see your war a spiritual war, and I can see the Gods's (demons) you speak of...I love that you can say you all are ****** off, perhaps the anger I speak of is a subliminal anger?

ali221~

Your post made me smile...reminiscent of the "old days." I am so glad there is some of that out there. My brother has his kids, 7 and 10 in "Military" school...pricy, but he is quite affluent and can afford it. I do worry, tho about my nephews, when they finally get out here and realize their protected world is not the "real world?"

aquaguy~

Stupidity, I see in this generation. I am not blaming or saying anything against their young brains and I think that is just what it is, a young brain. The prefrontal lobe of the brain, the "brakes" of the brain doesn't develop completely till mid 20's and it seems with these ever evolving generations "things" exposures out there/here defy this part of the brain from developing appropriately.

SaturineMoth~

Ahhh, the cyber cave! Know lots of them! And the grand dreams...yea, programmed by society without knowledge of the ways and means to achieve? Lack of direction, definately~Your tangent is appreciated and very thought provoking!

Padre35~

Yea I got that with my kids when they were younger and I still marvel at the headphones, the Iphones, the Ipods while they are being driven to school by their parents.

hannarama~

I so see this too! Mimicking what they see on TV, reality shows..etc...I suppose in the "old days" they mimicked elder role models? But it seems the elder role models are too busy, or too something to model anymore and the media/tube is now the role model.

PixieJane~

You always throw me back on myself! Yes the 70's were violent, and by the grace of God my grandparents were raising me in this tumultuous time. I had a base camp, elders to explain to me what was going on and why...

Aquacheeka~

Yea, everybody I know in this generation I speek of DOES want to party, but, from what I have seen, partying, when done by "immanture" brains leads to nothing good~

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Thank you all again!

Will be BACK to reply more~~~

posted January 07, 2013 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
You're in the Deep South, right? If so they may shy away from that as slutty (but not the actual sex), and may also do a lot of drinking to carry out their repressed sexual desires which of course adds to the chances of pregnancy.

Men are also seen as meal tickets, and one of the best ways to ensnare them is to get pregnant by them, especially in this age of DNA testing. Of course most young women who do this don't realize just how expensive kids are in the first place (and unfortunately there's very little oversight on whether or not a mother uses child support in good faith, because if there was she wouldn't profit at all and would thus discourage this tactic). They're also good for welfare to sympathy help (and can be especially attractive if the kids can be dropped off for long periods of time with other family). At least a few have this insane idea that the part of "unconditional love" comes from the baby rather than from the mother who has to deal with a shrieking, messy infant and expensive, challenging child.

Finally, our society idolizes pregnancy, a HUGE mistake (especially in these days of overpopulation, longer lifespans, etc). As a result plenty of younger women will get pregnant simply for the attention (and also because of family & social pressure once married). I recall reading an interview of a 14-year-old having sex with street people and not even knowing their names because she was so desperate to get pregnant and no one else seemed able to get her that way and she said she did it because she wanted the attention pregnant women get. And while having a baby out of wedlock used to at least be somewhat stigmatized, "reality" shows like 16 and Pregnant have done a lot to make it seem more acceptable to girls of the same age (and also emphasizes the attention they get for being pregnant).

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posted January 08, 2013 12:57 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
from what i have seen their thinking seems to be having a baby will get their man to change his philandering ways and commit. of course we all know how that goes

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Oh, yes, forgot about that one. In any case it says something about how their parents failed them by "protecting" them from brutal truths (and thus harming them in the name of protecting them), doesn't it?

"You should probably have a talk with your kids about the whole sex thing, because if you don't.. they'll probably end up like you: bitter, clueless parents who have no concept how to be one."

posted January 08, 2013 11:11 AM            

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& side note:

I did make some sweeping generalizations and I have many more thoughts on the subject (and don't think the majority of young men are violently insane these days) , but the times have indeed changed and i do think violence is a growing problem among that age group and sex. Won't bother getting into that right now. And i don't think it's just because MSM is more accessable now.

Just this morning I read of a high school boy who had a plot to set off bombs in his school and take out a lot of people. I don't think people in generations before had these kinds of thoughts or such a strong desire to carry them out. It's disturbing. It's like they are competing with each other...

People like that have to have some screws loose in the first place, but on top of that, the way many of these young men grow up becoming so desensitized to violence, does not help matters either.

I mean, these are the types of things you do/see in video games and the sick gory movies that are out. Are they so numb and mentally deranged that they start to become overly influenced by it all and forget that life is not a video game in which you win the most points for the most people killed or the next biggest mass murder?

anyway, i don't want to focus too much on it.

There's so much that can play into these types of tragedies....

i'll stop now.

posted January 08, 2013 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Hanneli:
from my experience, all generations are split into three groups. there are those who are aware, those are are aware but like to sweep certain issues under the rug to save some personal comfort, then there are those who are either too jaded or ignorant of the world around them to even bother touching those issues. the educational, societal, religious and social influences that help to develop certain age groups are not always dependent on the individuals themselves. example: a 14 year old can not vote in their local elections that will dictate how much funding will go towards schools, nor do they have a choice in having to deal with a socially conservative governor who cuts funding from planned parenthood. how they develop from the choices given to them is greatly influenced by the ideals of previous generations.

i was born in 1989. the mentality of my age group is that the world is **** and people are full of **** , so you either do something to make it better or you don't get to whine about it.

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Exactly, my only addition would be that age group craves genuineneess above almost everything.

They cannot stand phonies and fakes.

posted January 08, 2013 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Hanneli:

i was born in 1989. the mentality of my age group is that the world is **** and people are full of **** , so you either do something to make it better or you don't get to whine about it.

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