posted January 09, 2013 09:43 PM            

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that whole game playing cycle should never start to begin with, both parties should be open and honest to avoid misunderstandings.

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posted January 09, 2013 09:47 PM            

I am entirely disinterested in the writer's advice since she looks like someone who has been single her entire life anyway and she seems extremely bitter.
Her expectations are insanely high and unreasonable.

Every time I read about this in a forum or otherwise - the men who have read it think it's very stupid.

I also feel like these dating books and dating movies, coming from US written/made for US audiences don't really suit my culture and background.

posted January 09, 2013 09:56 PM            

It could just be like, "You are a really nice person but your Mars right on my moon makes me anxious, even if you don't mean to be."

posted January 09, 2013 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I wish everyone was conversant about astrology, then break-ups could happen in a very harmless way. It wouldn't make people feel like they are rejected, not worth loving, or anything of the sort.

It could just be like, "You are a really nice person but your Mars right on my moon makes me anxious, even if you don't mean to be."

It could enhance dating etiquette a whole lot, I think.

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posted January 09, 2013 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
As for this book - it is a LOAD of BS from my perspective.
The movie is even more BS-y than the book.

I am entirely disinterested in the writer's advice since she looks like someone who has been single her entire life anyway and she seems extremely bitter.
Her expectations are insanely high and unreasonable.

Every time I read about this in a forum or otherwise - the men who have read it think it's very stupid.

I also feel like these dating books and dating movies, coming from US written/made for US audiences don't really suit my culture and background.

It's the most ridiculous thing at the start of that movie ^ where they show women from different cultures like China, India and even tribal women in Africa - who are apparently also obsessing over the same issues...
I cracked up laughing because it is so beyond ridiculous and untrue.

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I totally agree. People are more complex than that. There's no formula.

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posted January 09, 2013 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
As for this book - it is a LOAD of BS from my perspective.
The movie is even more BS-y than the book.

I am entirely disinterested in the writer's advice since she looks like someone who has been single her entire life anyway and she seems extremely bitter.
Her expectations are insanely high and unreasonable.

Every time I read about this in a forum or otherwise - the men who have read it think it's very stupid.

I also feel like these dating books and dating movies, coming from US written/made for US audiences don't really suit my culture and background.

It's the most ridiculous thing at the start of that movie ^ where they show women from different cultures like China, India and even tribal women in Africa - who are apparently also obsessing over the same issues...
I cracked up laughing because it is so beyond ridiculous and untrue.

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posted January 09, 2013 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
Baby I can't talk right now I have no air k?

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posted January 09, 2013 10:56 PM            

I didn't actually read the book - only whizzed through at the bookshop.
But from what I've read and heard about it (plus the movie!) - it sets out a lot of rules such as - "if he does not call you in X amount of days then he is definitely not that into you" etc.
This kind of thing is very silly. People have lives, jobs, families..

Also whenever I have seen Liz Tuccillo discuss this in an interview or show - she always seems very depressed about dating in general. I am skeptical about her views/opinions because she seems like someone who has been badly heartbroken - and who is now taking out on the men of the world - with her insanely high expectations.
I remember her saying something along the lines of.. "if a guy does not make you the centre of his universe - then he is not that into you"... as though you would have to be the most important thing in his life.
i completely disagree with this ^
This thinking sounds like it is out of a Disney cartoon.

posted January 09, 2013 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

But from what I've read and heard about it (plus the movie!) - it sets out a lot of rules such as - "if he does not call you in X amount of days then he is definitely not that into you" etc.
This kind of thing is very silly. People have lives, jobs, families..

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posted January 09, 2013 11:25 PM            

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Odette: I am entirely disinterested in the writer's advice since she looks like someone who has been single her entire life anyway

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posted January 10, 2013 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
It's co-authored by a man and a woman: Liz Tuccilo... but I would bet my money that she wrote most of it.
She seems obsessed with the whole thing. She has some videos about it on youtube as well.
As far as I recall she is a Scorpio and he is a Cancer (not that this is highly relevant but since I'm a fire sign - I guess it's just one more reason why I don't identify with what they had to say)

I didn't actually read the book - only whizzed through at the bookshop.
But from what I've read and heard about it (plus the movie!) - it sets out a lot of rules such as - "if he does not call you in X amount of days then he is definitely not that into you" etc.
This kind of thing is very silly. People have lives, jobs, families..

Also whenever I have seen Liz Tuccillo discuss this in an interview or show - she always seems very depressed about dating in general. I am skeptical about her views/opinions because she seems like someone who has been badly heartbroken - and who is now taking out on the men of the world - with her insanely high expectations.
I remember her saying something along the lines of.. "if a guy does not make you the centre of his universe - then he is not that into you"... as though you would have to be the most important thing in his life.
i completely disagree with this ^
This thinking sounds like it is out of a Disney cartoon.

sand!

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posted January 10, 2013 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Great thread Hera

I agree

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Actually, I do not agree.

That becomes a rather convenient excuse imo.

I do think lots of trouble in relationships can be avoided by having a knowledge of Astrology, however, relationships take work

posted January 10, 2013 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

well of course nobody is perfect and its not really healthy to put all your time and energy into one person, but wouldnt you want to be a priority in your partners life somewhat? you're not getting the big picture here, the book is trying to explain to women that they need to quit wasting time on men who clearly arent interested in them, do you think thats a bad thing? sure, everybody has a life and they get busy and sh*t, but wouldnt it concern you if the man you are in love with never finds time to call or spend time with you? soo many women make excuse for these men and lie to themselves and say sh*t like"he is just going through a really hard in his life or work is stressing him out etc". when the truth is he isnt that into her. as a guy i can tell you that i made time for the girl i was in love with when i was in a relationship with her. even though i worked and had lots of stuff going on i managed to talk to her or see her almost everyday, i also managed to keep in touch and spend time with my friends. look, the moral of my story and the book is a guy can make time for a woman if he is into her and if he isnt making efforts to do so its not a good sign, simple as that.

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I agree Aqua. In which ever way you look at it, if he cares, he makes time/effort.

posted January 10, 2013 08:57 AM            

Unaspected venus?

posted January 10, 2013 09:36 AM            

Gotta rush home to shower and change. Gotta eat dinner with her I guess, since she's cooking and since I'm broke after fixing my truck. And maybe I'll get lucky after dinner. So, she can't talk crap about not spending time with her. I thought we went to the gun show last weekend, but that doesn't count? How about the time we went deer hunting in January in the snow?

posted January 10, 2013 10:42 AM            

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That becomes a rather convenient excuse imo.

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Excuse makers can use anything for an excuse. And if someone wants to walk away, they will. But astrology could potentially soften the blow. Instead of "it's not you, it's me" or even thinking there has to be blame involved, just blame it on bad synastry.

Like saying, "We're just not right for each other," but more believably, because you have the charts there backing you up.

We've got "velvet divorces" happening right here at Linda Land based on charts.

Of course you could also use astrology as a launchpad for criticism...ultimately it all comes down to character...but because astrology acknowledges another layer of truth, incorporating it into conversation has potential for raising the level of communication.

@ MF

posted January 10, 2013 02:48 PM            

for some reason this stood out for me about your post

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Originally posted by Hera:
I try to make time and effort for my bf though I don't love him. Have done so for others even though I didn't love them (but was fond of them and respected them as human beings).

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This somehow caught my attention. And my question is not meant in any judgemental way,b ut rather a real lack of understanding on my part.
You said you don`t love your bf.
Why is he your bf then?

I know I must probably sound like the most naive teenager here, but for some reason it never crossed my mind that someone would be with someone they don´t love and not even think they love.
So it is FIRST he becomes your boyfriend and THEN you fall for him (if things go well)?

I always thought it is first you fall in love with someone, and then you are getting together.

I know, that people are different. But for some reason I never even thought about that.

HOw does it work? Don`t you feel all the time that something important is missing?
What is the motivation to be with someone, if it is not love (or even the fantasy of love)?

Yes, now it is official I DO Sound like a naive overly 12 year old probably.

posted January 10, 2013 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
At the end of the day, I still think its all a matter of personal choice. A guy could have the best chart possible but he could be a total jack@$$. Astrology cannot account for human behavior and personal choices.

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