posted October 08, 2014 08:55 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Oh my word

A head scratcher !

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Ahhhh...so that was the "spider plant"! Anyone see the resemblance? Maybe sorta kinda?

posted October 08, 2014 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I could tell you were just throwing crap out there so..hmm! Not that I blame you, so frustrating or annoying, or something..)

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I was hoping beyond hope that the "crap" I threw out there would magically be a spot-on accurate guess. *fingers crossed!* But...no...I'm still not the kind of person who gets lucky like that.

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Originally posted by Lonake:
https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/6045189/il_fullxfull.265014488.jpg
Not what you expected?

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Not at all...but it matches other things you've talked about that I associate with your Jupiter Scorpio.

Reminds me a bit of some of Andrew Wyeth's paintings...like his self-portrait:

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I think i like it since it speaks to something surviving after death... comforting in a way.

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I like your perspective and might just adopt it. See, you're so persuasive, what with your Mercury conjunct mine! =)

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Tbh I was weirded out lol when you said fleur de lis but in the way that I wanted to be.

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posted October 08, 2014 09:18 PM            

Thanks so much for the pictures. I kept thinking of a clear plastic tube and that's part of the reason why I guessed "lantern."

See how it has that clear tube inside?

And when you said instrument, again I was thinking of a recorder stored in a tube, but couldn't imagine how it could be worn. Thing is, I should have said "clear tube" because I got that much. Ohhh welll...there's not much point in my saying all this except I'm realizing that yes, I might indeed be catching things.

Me? Romanian? Nahhhh....not unless my Italian ancestors wandered out from your neck of the woods.

posted October 09, 2014 09:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ahhhh...so [b]that was the "spider plant"! Anyone see the resemblance? Maybe sorta kinda?

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Yep as much as my oval guess . Minus the handle, it is oval and had spider fingers

posted October 09, 2014 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Juni, Hi! (And Hanna? I think you were guessing on this one for a bit. I know Faith gave up on it ages ago haha--I know at least one of your guesses on this Faith wasn't really a guess, I could tell you were just throwing crap out there so..hmm! Not that I blame you, so frustrating or annoying, or something..)
But yeah, I'm gonna post a link to a pic that's the image on the pouch. I guess they got it from the Internet cos it's the exact same thing (via Etsy), or maybe they bought it from etsy then resold. 'Twas too lazy to take a pic so searched for skeleton + crown + raven and bam!
https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/6045189/il_fullxfull.265014488.jpg
Not what you expected? I didn't too much care for that trend at first, the whole skeleton thing with Pluto in Capricorn and all, but it's actually growing on me. Like the Day of the Dead. It has a certain charm.

For example this print that I was thinking of purchasing. Or something similar to it that i saw elsewhere, same type of image. Lovely and strange, unique combination. http://www.immortalitymedicine.tv/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-m atic/cache/c4a3072825_Ali-Gulec-Flower-Skull-550x698.jpg
Man, I really do love this print! ^ The contrasting tones stand out so well.

I think i like it since it speaks to something surviving after death comforting in a way. Or sinking into mortality. Ok. Morbid! No, morbid would be saying someone looks better dead than they do alive, lol, just the skeleton tho. Not the skin parts, you know, the weird things crazy people think of cooking up. Sorry, I must be rambling. But speaking of faces and skulls, I just love seeing people made up in this fashion for the celebration, http://www.brit.co/sugar-skull-makeup/

Back on track! I thought of this specific thread and your guesses Juni so went right back to it and now I feel bad that I made you wait! I saw you were still musing about it. I think maybe i deliberately picked a relatively weird object in my home because i wanted to be weirded out that someone could close in on it. But you did get the floral and fleur de lis just a different thing (window), and like I mentioned earlier that image was occupying my mind /much more/ than the pouch :-) Very impressive! Especially for a younger person (I'm early 30s) ok not way young but anyway fleur de lis I think I associate with an older or more traditional aesthetic so that was /cool/ Tbh I was weirded out lol when you said fleur de lis but [b]in the way that I wanted to be. I just had "pouch pouch pouch" in my mind but the image of my new window cover.[/B]

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Lonake, thank you thank you!
You and 7th both picked "weird" objects and it was fun.

You thought pouch pouch pouch and all I cound vision was fleur fluer fluer.

Which has made me ponder. Is it the energy attached by a person to an object/creation that people sense? By that I mean, you created the design w/fluer De Lis whereas the pouch wasn`t a creation .

Like T and her painting, they both carried your energy signatures.

I really like the continued life theme in the flower skeleton too.
Reminds me of this art I posted :
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000927.html

Other than color and animal , I wasn`t even close on the pouch. If I was a betting person, I`d bet the crown was the flower I sensed but the skeleton, not a chance .

posted October 09, 2014 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Yep as much as my oval guess . Minus the handle, it is oval and had spider fingers

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Huh?

The picture frame you imagined had spider fingers, too?? Things get weird looking pretty fast in psychic land...one image warps into another and it stops making sense.

Reminds me of a Dali painting:

posted October 09, 2014 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:

I know a friend who does - cause it's suppose to be healthier (less chemicals). So, it's not necessarily - sarcasm. ^^

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Not sure if you knew it before, but I'm sort of a health nut. If you didn't know that, I would consider this a "hit." Because my lotion has less chemicals: it's one of the brands that you typically only find at a health store, or in the natural section of some of the more expensive grocery stores.

Sometimes we intuit things that aren't part of the question. Like I definitely kept seeing a clear tube on your tv, but that didn't match the descriptions you gave, so I didn't say it. Also, I might've guessed you had a rug there, but you had said there were only two objects...so that kinda threw me off.

posted October 09, 2014 10:26 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Which has made me ponder. Is it the energy attached by a person to an object/creation that people sense? By that I mean, you created the design w/fluer De Lis whereas the pouch wasn`t a creation .

Like T and her painting, they both carried your energy signatures

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Good question. Hmmmmmm

posted October 09, 2014 01:58 PM            

It's made in China - and there's probably tons of there on eBay. Yep, sure looks like it: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/head-massager (cheap too - only 1 $ or 2 $). Mine's from around this parts - and i think it was around 3 $. ^^

Lonake,

posted October 09, 2014 01:59 PM            

Well, there's also a spider on the handle of the dagger (in case you didn't notice ^^):

I didn't say Romanian ^^ - i said Romany (gipsy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
(Not to be confused with Romanians, an unrelated ethnic group and nation.)

On the other continents - i presume the term gipsy is viewed with a bit of romance - but in Europe, it's the equivalent of Negro (the old term). The reason i used the old term as equivalent - it's because the racist hate surrounding this term - is the equivalent of the word Negro - as it was used back in the 50's in U.S. What I'm trying to say is: in Europe you can actually use it right now (in 2014) - in the raciest way possible - and few would mind. And that's because - the lowest of the Romany people (thieves, beggars and other type of criminals) - disgust Europe with their behavior (which is basically the results - of a low life indoctrination)- and unfortunately, they're seen as representative for the whole. Those few thousands bring a bad name both to their kind (where most - are honest people) and to my country - this being the place that adopt them as citizens... well, they were slaves at first - and what followed - pushed many of them on a dark path.

Might help - if i share a bit of their history - for a better understanding. Once they got out of slavery - they were still Romanian citizens - but "unwanted". Which is a bit similar with the history of the African people - who end-up citizens in U.S after slavery but... much worst - since we're talking about a different time and a difference of hundreds of years in which they evolved in a divided direction - as outcasts, as wanderers - forced to move from a place to another (thus - their "gipsy wagon" image ). If they stayed to long in a place - the locals would force them out - as an angry mob. They had no land (nor where they allowed to buy any - at first) and nobody would hire them or give them a chance for living - so they try to adapt in any way they could - depending on their skill. Some became potters or blacksmiths among their group (the root of their culture), while others became thieves, beggars or charlatans (the most famous where the gipsy witches or "white witches" - how they called themselves and still do). The hate for gipsies didn't change with time passing - but as some of them started getting rich despite of their limitations - it clashed with the love for money. And as a result - the rich and skilled of their kind - started being treated as the rest - but more importantly - they were allowed to buy lands. While the poor - where pushed away as usual. And... if you keep treating people like trash - eventually, you might brake them to point where they become trash. And that's exactly what happened with the lowest of their kind - who end-up making a living out of people's garbage (literately). And they still do to this day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPLxDaEsBNw While the richest - live like kings (again - literally), as that became a tradition among the Romany (which makes sense - if you take in consideration their history and what gave them a sense of belonging to a place: external wealth) - to display their wealth, either through impressive constructions that look like castles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BXrYLzPlSw or other possessions - especially gold, which they display through golden chains - and Crowns (if you already have a castle - i guess you need a crown to go with that ^^). While their weddings - can make people think of a fairy-tell - when it comes to expenses. Well, this are probbaly - not the honest ones i mentioned above... those - are usually from the mid class - whom live a normal life.

Bottom line, you can use the term gipsy - and since you're American - I'd take it you thought of the romantic version, but in Europe - it's not that romantic... and still being used with racist hate in mind. Which is also a bit of an irony - cause Europeans are usually anti-racism, at least when it comes to the color of your skin - they got over it decades ago (when US was still going strong). Romany - are an exception.

I'll stop here... ^^

posted October 09, 2014 05:05 PM            

Thank you for the lesson, super interesting, and I'll spend some time looking into your links later.

I had assumed Romany was like the Romanian word for Romanian. And when I said "gypsy wagon" I had two impressions in mind: the old "romantic" idea of gypsies, as you said, and the modern American meaning, tied in with the tiny house movement, like so: http://www.pinterest.com/circinn/gypsy-wagons-are-beautiful/

...Though now I see it's not politically correct. Damn. I really like the word gypsy but will be more mindful of its charged meaning from now on. I just read that it's short for "Egyptian" and that was considered a derogatory racial slur, too...to say someone's Egyptian. Long before people realized just how cool and advanced ancient Egypt was.

But I digress...

Thanks for the spider detail, that was gracious of you Who knows, maybe that contributed to why I asked about an insect....but it's all a blur now, and the bottom line is that I was wrong about both items, repeatedly.

Better luck next time! Maybe!

posted October 09, 2014 05:16 PM            

Immediate image:
- Tiles with a Southwest style...a beautiful burnished red on white, with yellow and blue...
-Loose design, not structured

A bit later:
-copper accent?
-Is there embossing on those white tiles? Like dots that stick out three-dimensionally? Do the dots form a curve? Like the playing card symbol for spades, turned on its side...or a leaf.

^^ Putting all that together with what you recently told us about yourself, my "educated" guess is:

posted October 10, 2014 07:56 AM            

- and let me pause here for a brief info on why is that (why does one of the richest country in Europe - if not the riches - in terms of resources - has such lowest income):
This was the result of the downfall that followed the year '89 - which is another lie that's feeded to the world - regarding what happened then and the real reasons behind the revolution. More exactingly - "a Coup d'etat (both from the inside and the outside of our country)" - aimed at keeping our country in debt,since Ceausescu - despite of his dictatorship - managed to eradicate our remaining debt, therefore - Romania would have been part of the few "free countries" of this world - a rich country that can prosper from its internal resources... Those resources being the reason why our country was kept in debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro%C8%99ia_Montan%C4%83_Project - and it's not just about the gold: http://politicsinspires.org/european-commission-wrong-romanias-rosia-montana-minin g-project/ - but other rare minerals that were found in abundance here. And that's what Ceausescu realized back in the '90 and also the real reason - why that coup d'etat was arranged to bring him down. The thing is - you can just assassinate a dictator (as it happened with J.F. Kennedy) - because communism is like a Hydra (another - of those who follow the same ideal would take his place) - so they had to take down all of them. There's even a silly misconception on how that happened - where we, the people - brought the communists down - by disarming them. That's far from truth. Back then - we had no professional army, so every male had to be part of an obligatory training - that training being our major army force. Therefore - when the revolution started - and the communists were trying to establish order by force - the army switched sides to the people... we're talking about more than a million armed forces vs couple of thousands of the remaining communist forces. And No, they were not like Spartans... but obviously - doomed.

...back to where i was left of: there a lot of Romanians would rather work in a neighbor country for 4x or up to 10x more income doing the same thing. And many foreign companies show interest in Romanians or other foreigners - cause they prove to be more hardworking then their own (one might take more serious his work - if he's from a country where for same job - he's paid even 10x less - compared to the locals - who see a different value in same type of income - a value that's quite average for their country). That being said - Romanians tend to occupy certain foreign jobs, where the officials would rather see their own countrymen - and that's another reason behind their anti-Romanian propaganda. I met even people from this forum who believed the same.

As for the American people (or people from other continents - i presume), they seem more familiar with the romantic version of Romania and same goes for gipsies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYwMl_mueEE - so, your answer - was to be expected. ^^

I guess it depends on who you're asking. Cause the definition of this term - is not imbued in hate:

gipsy

- a member of a traveling people with dark skin and hair who speak Romany and traditionally live by seasonal work, itinerant trade, and fortune-telling. Gypsies are now found mostly in Europe, parts of North Africa, and North America, but are believed to have originated in South Asia.

- a nomadic or free-spirited person.

posted October 10, 2014 08:57 AM            

This quote is exactly what I thought about gypsies and had no history or background to refute the romantic notion .

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gipsy

- a member of a traveling people with dark skin and hair who speak Romany and traditionally live by seasonal work, itinerant trade, and fortune-telling. Gypsies are now found mostly in Europe, parts of North Africa, and North America, but are believed to have originated in South Asia.

- a nomadic or free-spirited person.

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I can`t watch youtube but have followed the links for a greater understanding of the history..

posted October 10, 2014 09:39 AM            

I'm fascinated by all this. Maybe we should start a new thread because I just want to talk about it on and on.

For now...I'm pressed for time, so a basic comment:

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
It's what many people (unfortunately) - from neighbors countries believe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AHKUsrDxk -
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Fortunately I am an ignorant American...you know, in keeping with my motto "Ignorance is bliss" ...it's actually a national past time, being ignorant....J/K J/K some of us are smart....but anyway I had no idea whatsoever that there was any racism against Romanians. Yeah, like this:

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As for the American people (or people from other continents - i presume), they seem more familiar with the romantic version of Romania and same goes for gipsies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYwMl_mueEE - so, your answer - was to be expected. ^^

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My thinking before this discussion: "Romanians are cool. "

Now that I've seen some of these videos...
"Romanians are VERY cool!"

I'm still stupid, it's just a vibe I'm picking up from the video footage, combined with what you are saying...errr not sure how you feel about this but I also just love seeing ethnic purity, people with unmolested gene pools have a certain kind of beauty that you don't see as much where I'm from...Americans are all "mutts," more or less. Contrast this with the look of that little boy in the garbage dump who looks almost other-wordly to me, he's such a beautiful kid who also matches my romantic notion of "gypsy." That has a profound effect on me...must be my Sag Venus-Neptune at work.

Anyway, DM reminds me of one of my former Turkish roommates (appearance-wise) so I've sloppily associated Romania with Turkey...and my Turkish roommates had a similar problem of being undervalued for their nationality, even though, to me, Istanbul is gorgeous, pictures of Turkey mesmerized me, the history was cool...all that.

It's weird being an American though...on the one hand people assume you may have commodities and means at your fingertips and are at least clean and fortunate enough to live in "a land of plenty"...on the other hand, a lot of people hate America, and I understand why, considering its foreign policy, devastating environmental impact, vapid TV culture, and so on.

It'd be interesting if that cameraman who asked people about Romanians also asked about Americans-- who would get the worse review? Would you rather be thought of as a beggar/thief or a cruel, ugly, wasteful simpleton moron? It's a toss-up for me.

posted October 12, 2014 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Which has made me ponder. Is it the energy attached by a person to an object/creation that people sense? By that I mean, you created the design w/fluer De Lis whereas the pouch wasn`t a creation .

(...)

I really like the continued life theme in the flower skeleton too.
Reminds me of this art I posted :
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000927.html

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Oh I think you know more about this than me lol, but I would think that could def be a possibility? You stamp your energy on something like you say, or you resonate with something so much that you love to look at it or wear it on your person...and it becomes part of your energy field perhaps?

posted October 13, 2014 02:57 PM            

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You stamp your energy on something like you say, or you resonate with something so much that you love to look at it or wear it on your person...and it becomes part of your energy field perhaps?

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Yes, exactly. Perhaps that is why many don`t develope this sixth sense.

It is too limiting to make any $$ off from and who really wants a psychic to tell them what they have created , loved or spent their energy pool on.

People want their future, finances or love life told

... and also why so many psychics (sylvia browne comes to mind) have so few genuine hits to be measured.

eh, I`m rambling now but I do hope to see you more around LL

posted October 14, 2014 02:14 PM            

It's okay, T! I've done it before.

Nevermind how this has veered off topic....

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
More exactingly - "a Coup d'etat (both from the inside and the outside of our country)" - aimed at keeping our country in debt,since Ceausescu - despite of his dictatorship - managed to eradicate our remaining debt, therefore - Romania would have been part of the few "free countries" of this world - a rich country that can prosper from its internal resources... Those resources being the reason why our country was kept in debt

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That is so tragic. Reading about those mines is just sickening. What kind of disgusting people even try to pull off something like that? Poisoning everything for personal gain.

Though I haven't studied up on the overthrow of Ceausescu, I recognize how the coup as you described it follows a common pattern, especially with the US and CIA overthrowing governments of countries who are beginning to capitalize on their own resources. I think the IMF is also malicious in that way, deliberately sucking the lifeblood out of poorer countries. And that history of underhandedness and global meddling is one reason many Americans suspect foul play in Syria now-- with US covert forces possibly (as they have done before) staging false flag events that they in turn use as a pretext for invasion. One has to be very naive to think the US would have invaded the Middle East, had it not been for oil and gas. Meddling in Syria wouldn't be worth it except that Syria meets US neoconservatives' long-term geopolitical agenda, as described here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX1gt5Pwt7o where General Wesley Clark discusses the Project for the New American Century's policy coup and at 2:22 lists the countries to be attacked.

It was only a matter of time and what we see in the media here is only a matter of theatrics and lies.

Anyway...VERY impressive that the Romanian armed forces sided with the people against the dictator. I'm tempted to ask how bad it was living in a dictatorship-- not sure if that's too personal a question.

I'm confused here:

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
There's even a silly misconception on how that happened - where we, the people - brought the communists down - by disarming them. That's far from truth. Back then - we had no professional army, so every male had to be part of an obligatory training - that training being our major army force. Therefore - when the revolution started - and the communists were trying to establish order by force - the army switched sides to the people... we're talking about more than a million armed forces vs couple of thousands of the remaining communist forces. And No, they were not like Spartans... but obviously - doomed.

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If all the men *are* the army, then isn't it kinda the same thing, whether one says the people defeated the dictator or the army did?

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
...back to where i was left of: there a lot of Romanians would rather work in a neighbor country for 4x or up to 10x more income doing the same thing.

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That being said - Romanians tend to occupy certain foreign jobs, where the officials would rather see their own countrymen - and that's another reason behind their anti-Romanian propaganda. I met even people from this forum who believed the same.

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It's like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't? People see Romanians abroad as either job-thieves when they are working hard and making a lot of money, or confuse them with regular thieves?

How strange. At least you have the comfort of knowing it's other people being ignorant and not yourself. I'd rather have people look down on me for what they wrongly imagine me to be..than to be one of those people looking down at others because of my own puny spirit or misguided ideas of who they are.

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
i felt inclined to reveal this part about Romany, Romanians and Romania - for those who might be interested in the truth of a nation - instead of the lies spread through propaganda - lies intended to protect the greed of certain corporations. Same greed that's responsibilities for most atrocities committed by humans - all over the world.

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Well thank you and I couldn't agree more about the state of affairs, with greed apparently being in control of the planet's destiny, at this point.

posted October 14, 2014 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
A new thread on the subject of nationalism doesn`t mean this one dies

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I know right?

Quiz time!

posted October 14, 2014 03:42 PM            

I will ponder and see what careful consideration brings me.

posted October 15, 2014 02:24 PM            

This person was born between Sinatra's and Cayce's birthdays; all three of them have personal planets in the winter signs.

ETA: I know sometimes hints can make things harder-- just honor your instincts whether it matches the above info or not-- you might get very close without hitting the bullseye. For instance you might choose someone who looks just like the person I am thinking of, or has the same occupation, etc.

Or you could just decide not to guess anymore