posted February 06, 2015 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
You irked? Nevvah!

Joking aside, it is my belief that romance and relationships primarily manipulate men for a host of reasons

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posted February 06, 2015 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Padre35:
[b] You irked? Nevvah!

Joking aside, it is my belief that romance and relationships primarily manipulate men for a host of reasons

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And I would toss out there mgtow is the complete, wrong answer to the times.

The equivalent of taking your ball and going home because, gosh darn it, things are not going my way, so I'm going home to play video games!

posted February 06, 2015 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
And I would toss out there mgtow is the complete, wrong answer to the times.

The equivalent of taking your ball and going home because, gosh darn it, things are not going my way, so I'm going home to play video games!

Was never a fan of waving a white flag at life AG

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posted February 06, 2015 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Padre35:
[b] And I would toss out there mgtow is the complete, wrong answer to the times.

The equivalent of taking your ball and going home because, gosh darn it, things are not going my way, so I'm going home to play video games!

Was never a fan of waving a white flag at life AG

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Hmm, with the benefit of experience, as far as I'm concerned, nothing at all has changed since my early 20's and beyond.

The only change is now:

-Internet and widespread availability of communications means information goes out faster

-the downside of the internet is the pressure to improve is now removed, why bother when there are hundreds of communities to go whine to rather than facing issues (both genders btw)

-Screw it, won't be popular, there is also a "culture of butt hurt" in society, special snowflakes, entitled all, get buffeted by life's ups and downs and it's NOT FAIR.

posted February 06, 2015 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I can't believe that there is even such a group.

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You have no idea DF, probably better that way lol!

posted February 06, 2015 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
What is this supposed to accomplish?

Singleness can still be very much enjoyed without feeling bitterness towards women.
Ironically, I think that is one important key to one's attractiveness to others - being content and happy all by yourself.

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Odd mix of entitlement, desire, bitterness, and shiftlessness.

posted February 06, 2015 08:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
You have no idea DF, probably better that way lol!

Personally would prefer to brush up on my Romanian and make wine and go out and have a great time then to throw in with pre planned surrender b/c "not fair"

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posted February 06, 2015 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
What is this supposed to accomplish?

Singleness can still be very much enjoyed without feeling bitterness towards women.
Ironically, I think that is one important key to one's attractiveness to others - being content and happy all by yourself.

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posted February 07, 2015 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Well I don't feel like spinning around with you again.
I'm far to familiar with this.

I'll see you in a month or two when this MGTOW isn't working out for you.

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Heh, well keep in mind, men can do that sort of thing and stick to it, sort of kicking the female habit.

To me, that is a retreat from life. If I wanted to be a monk I'd join a monastery. I can get avoiding making a woman the focus of ones life, one I cannot get is just retreating from women.

That seems kinda sad tbh

posted February 07, 2015 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[b]What is this supposed to accomplish?

Singleness can still be very much enjoyed without feeling bitterness towards women.
Ironically, I think that is one important key to one's attractiveness to others - being content and happy all by yourself.

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posted February 07, 2015 11:52 AM            

Something interesting is my boss actually won custody of his kid, and he initiated the divorce because she cheated. He said he fought for her in court and won because he makes more.

posted February 07, 2015 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
To look at relationships, esp marriage, the women holds pretty much all of the cards. Divorces are usually initiated by women, child custody usually goes to the fmr wife,

Something interesting is my boss actually won custody of his kid, and he initiated the divorce because she cheated. He said he fought for her in court and won because he makes more.

Since there is that glass ceiling and all, generally men would (always) make more than women, so a) why wouldn't they win custody more often and b) what advantage would a woman have in court? Assuming we're talking about a boring couple who got married, husband worked, mother was a housewife, and now they're getting divorced.

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Generally speaking, I don't think that's normal. The general (and wrong) philosophy that's at work is that the child is always better off with the birth mother (and also that a woman's place is take care of her children rather than get a job) and it normally takes something big to change that (typically drug use or other flaunting of "proper morals" though it often becomes less of a factor because her husband is typically just as bad if not worse). There are now laws in place (as always, loopholes exist) in which a man has to keep up a lifestyle for his ex if she divorces him (the reason being to save women who were thus controlled into staying in abusive relationships where they were kept prisoners but of course the law ended up covering far more than that which is a benefit for the woman--though generally speaking both men and women will suffer financially from a divorce which will be painful to both sides assuming they're middle class or lower, and the woman will suffer more yet at the same time the woman is still getting a cut of her ex's money, especially if she has kids which can then also help her gain welfare bennies that her ex can't).

I suspect there's an undercurrent at work as well in which men and women are supposed to remain together so society discourages separation by seeking to punish both (but that's opposed by divorce lawyers who want to make a buck as well as other groups with their own agendas). I've heard the military will punish those who get a divorce or otherwise don't live up to their fake family image (though perhaps it's more accurate to say they try to bribe you to marry and stay married, and it's successful enough that I know women who sought a service man to marry so that both could profit while both were allowed to play on the side).

In any case, they don't want single mothers collecting welfare. This issue has united both liberals and conservatives (for their own respective reasons) to make the system the way it is. Furthermore, many divorced dads seem all too willing abandon their kids as they belong to the mother (though the courts with the same attitude may encourage that to a greater extreme than it otherwise would be). Frankly, the kids represent money which is what both mother and father are often fighting over rather than the kids themselves for their own sakes with little genuine love for the kids.

My mother in her own divorce also enlisted the aid of a feminist group who represented her pro bono (I suppose), and while I'm glad they crucified Mom's first (and very sleazy) lawyer they were very unpleasant people which I believe HOPED Dad would kill us so that they could use it in their statistics. It's funny, I'm actually more bitter towards that feminist legal aid group than I am to either Mom or Dad (but then I only saw their dark and scheming side whereas I saw so much more to Mom and Dad).

That said, Dad got away with his murder attempts with just a slap on the wrist at most and maybe a few hours in jail over it. Restraining orders by themselves are useless and I've read of much worse (for example, Castle Rock vs. Gonzales).

posted February 07, 2015 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
@Padre - you said this: To look at relationships, esp marriage, the women holds pretty much all of the cards. Divorces are usually initiated by women, child custody usually goes to the fmr wife,

Something interesting is my boss actually won custody of his kid, and he initiated the divorce because she cheated. He said he fought for her in court and won because he makes more.

Since there is that glass ceiling and all, generally men would (always) make more than women, so a) why wouldn't they win custody more often and b) what advantage would a woman have in court? Assuming we're talking about a boring couple who got married, husband worked, mother was a housewife, and now they're getting divorced.

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posted February 07, 2015 11:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Keep in mind we are now in the era of no fault divorces, basically cheating, humping around etc..means not a damn thing

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posted February 08, 2015 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Keep in mind we are now in the era of no fault divorces, basically cheating, humping around etc..means not a damn thing

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posted February 08, 2015 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

And what disturbs me most is alot of women will admit to such things and rationalize their behavior. When men cheat or sneak around they know they are in the wrong and will usually fess up to it and apologize -or- they will lie and deny it. Women otoh will often coldly tell you what they are doing without apologizing and rationalize their behavior. It's shocking how many women with husbands/boyfriends maintain active dating site accounts so they have a back-up guy in case things don't work out with their current love interest. Such women see nothing wrong with what they are doing but you better believe everyone on their facebook would hear about their "cheating b*stard husband" if their men pulled the same stunts they pull. This is why it's best to forego committed relationships and marriage altogether. There is no trust or loyalty to be found in this society.

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posted February 08, 2015 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
God, really? You keep throwing pitchforks at the female gender all the while never acknowledging it's a case of morals on the behalf of PEOPLE in general. It's not a "women" thing nor is it a "men thing," it's a PEOPLE thing.

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posted February 08, 2015 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[b] God, really? You keep throwing pitchforks at the female gender all the while never acknowledging it's a case of morals on the behalf of PEOPLE in general. It's not a "women" thing nor is it a "men thing," it's a PEOPLE thing.

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Who's "nobody" though? Who are you wanting to fuss about it that isn't?

posted February 08, 2015 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Who's "nobody" though? Who are you wanting to fuss about it that isn't?

I only think your discussions in particular are problematic because you tend to only agree with your own opinion when life and the way it works, or to get it to work in your favor, is much more gray.

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posted February 08, 2015 08:13 PM            

Nope. Right here on LL we had C1ND3R say things like if an underage girl with no rights as she hasn't developed her mental facilities enough gets beaten and impregnated at a gang bang of adult men it's all on her, not the men who are presumed to have adult brains.

Granted, that's extreme, but I've run across that more than what you describe. I've lost count on how many women on IMDB blamed the underage girl of White Oleander (the character 14 at the time who went about seducing the boyfriend of her foster mother) entirely when she seduces an adult male and thought the adult male's girlfriend was justified in shooting the girl...'course they still didn't think men should have their rights revoked for being so without blame or that young girls should have adult rights (voting, driving, guns, etc) just because it's all on her because those women aren't rational, it's just a knee jerk reaction that it's the female's fault, almost always (this isn't counting when a man lies from the beginning to trick a presumably virtuous woman into dating him so he can use her and lose her, but I've never seen women get a pass for that either though right or wrong people are more likely to believe a man is doing it than a woman, though OTOH it seems generally accepted that males--perhaps due to the so-called bro code--are much less likely to move in on a friend's romantic interest than females who are notoriously backstabbing for that).

Celebrity example...and also done here on LL...Kristen Stewart, aka the Trampire, cheated on her boyfriend in a brief fling with her director. I'm not sure what to think of the dynamics there (for example, which one needed the other more in order to succeed, the director or the actress?) but I do know the director was MARRIED WITH A CHILD as well as an older man, but who did the media, the mass public, and most on LL blame, and considered the worse sinner of the pair? The younger unmarried woman. Typical. Some women were even CRYING and yelling on YT at Kristen over it! And it sure wasn't to condemn the director or congratulating Kristen on cheating!

It's ridiculous how easy men get off the hook at times. And please note that women are worse about this (that is they're more likely to blame the female) than men are. Plenty of men who have actual integrity, however, know at the very least it takes two to tango and aren't going to let men off the hook as easily as women are prone to do despite that men seem to be far more expected to play the field than women because "that's what men do" (and why women work so hard to keep him interested--and get rid of any woman who might attract him more).