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Topic: Yes or No?
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Ami Anne
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posted April 08, 2015 11:55 AM
  
Do you think if a human being has no empathy, it makes them a monster?------------------
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Valentine
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posted April 08, 2015 02:32 PM
Yes.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted April 08, 2015 04:39 PM
Definite No.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted April 08, 2015 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Valentine:
Yes.
So people with Asperger's or Autism are monsters in your opinion?
Or were you referring only to sociopaths? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 08, 2015 04:57 PM
So people with Asperger's or Autism are monsters in your opinion?I was not referring to this. I think there is empathy here. I was referring to Mal Narcs. However, for purposes of the discussion, we do not blame the people with autism but we do blame the Mal Narcs. Do you know what I mean? Also, I don't think Aspergers has no empathy and I think we should leave this category out of the discussion but can include autism, if you want lol I don't want to get into fights we can avoid xx ------------------
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BellaFenice
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posted April 08, 2015 05:43 PM
No. It is already well known a lack of empathy is one sign, but not the only marker of a Mal Narc diagnosis. If someone is mentally ill, which is what being a Mal Narc is, is casting judgment and calling them a monster really going to help solve our mental health crisis in the US? Mal Narc can be developed through genetics, so some may be predisposed with the right environment. So if you are raised by one, the chances of developing Mal Narc skyrocket- the traits can be passed on but manifest in different ways. The cycle continues, and the person doesn't know better- it is always someone else's fault and rarely seek help because the next generation sees themselves as the victim always being wronged. I wouldn't call either person above a monster because although I do not condone the behavior, Mal Narcs simply do not know better. Autism is a neurodevelopment disorder- if someone with autism acts with low to no empathy they have no control over it or minimal cognitive control at the most. The last thing kids with autism need are being ostracized by being called monsters. It should be left out as well. Edit: my uncle has a PhD in psychology counseling and is an expert on Mal Narcs, just reporting what I have learned from hearing his research and what counseling has clinically showed his team. Your response to me is very odd, tbh. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 08, 2015 05:56 PM
I have a BA from Duke in Psych and a MA from UVA in Counseling, so understand the many theories involved. That is not what this is about, although someone can say their opinion and that is fine.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 08, 2015 05:59 PM
All opinions are welcome but I don't want to fight about them.I am asking for personal experiences and opinions, too, but don't want to debate anyone, in terms of having a fight. Thanks 
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Ami Anne
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posted April 08, 2015 06:14 PM
my uncle has a PhD in psychology counseling and is an expert on Mal Narcs, just reporting what I have learned from hearing his research and what counseling has clinically showed his team. There are NO experts because many, many experts disagree on the same thing lol Anyway, I have made it clear that I do not want to fight/debate Thanks so much for respecting this, Bella ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 08, 2015 06:15 PM
I am looking for different people's opinions now and then I will tell you why I started the thread.------------------
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DeepFreeze
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posted April 08, 2015 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Definite No.
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BellaFenice
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posted April 08, 2015 06:46 PM
My uncle is one of the leaders in the field and I would appreciate it if you showed a little more respect towards his work before posting false information. Research has significantly advanced the last 30 years and if you aren't keeping up with the scholarly work you wouldn't know about the new developments. Thanks. And no, I do not want to debate with you but your mocking tone was disrespectful and unneccesary-disagree and keep it moving. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 08, 2015 06:52 PM
To the people who said No, do you think that Ted Bundy was a monster. Why or why not? ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 08, 2015 07:08 PM
Also, Odette. Thank you for the lovely e mail. I took it to heart xx------------------
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Valentine
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posted April 08, 2015 11:41 PM
So people with Asperger's or Autism are monsters in your opinion?
Or were you referring only to sociopaths?I assumed that Ami was talking of sociopaths.
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aquaguy91
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posted April 09, 2015 12:46 AM
Whoa how did aspergers get brought into this?
For the record, I have aspergers and I don't lack empathy at all, I just don't respond to some things the way a normal person would.
If anything normal people can be the biggest monsters. I saw a news story about a bunch of teenagers that had tricked an autistic kid by telling him he was doing the ice bucket challenge but they had put p*ss and sh*t in the bucket instead of ice water and video taped it! People can be cruel! When I saw that I felt bad for the kid and was angry as h*LL knowing that evil people like that exist in the world. Most autistic people are kind and gentle souls that just want to be left alone. They are not monsters.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted April 09, 2015 01:04 AM
Also it's important to remember that every autistic person is an individual and has their own unique personality. Co-morbid conditions play a big role in an autistic person's behavior and personality too.IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted April 09, 2015 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To the people who said No, do you think that Ted Bundy was a monster. Why or why not?
To me it's simple and this doesn't even have to be about Ted Bundy at all. Lacking empathy by itself does nothing. I can lack empathy and do nothing. To me, being a "monster" implies action towards others. Otherwise you're just some quiet person who doesn't seem to care much. LOL
At least that's my take on it but then there's the whole thing of defining monster, etc that I don't care enough to get into. All I'm saying is for this, lacking empathy may play a role but it alone can't make someone a monster in my view.
Hope that makes sense.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 09, 2015 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Valentine:
So people with Asperger's or Autism are monsters in your opinion?
Or were you referring only to sociopaths?I assumed that Ami was talking of sociopaths.
YES!!
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Ami Anne
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posted April 09, 2015 08:33 AM
Here is the thing,DF. The people who lack empathy( and we are talking Mal narcs here, for purposes of this discussion) DO actions to people. They DO actions to people because they have relationships with people and empathy is CALLED for in relationships. they are parents. They are spouses. They are bosses. They are workers. Empathy is an ingredient of the human. What do you think, DF? I appreciate your POV. ------------------
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DeepFreeze
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posted April 09, 2015 08:57 AM
Well then Mal narc would be a factor, perhaps the factor.
Not everyone who lacks empathy is a Mal narc. (As far as I know!)
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Ami Anne
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posted April 09, 2015 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Well then Mal narc would be a factor, perhaps the factor.
Not everyone who lacks empathy is a Mal narc. (As far as I know!)
So I stand by my pov.
We are talking about Mal Narc or sociopath, if you want to extend it to that. You didn't answer the question, DF  ------------------
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DeepFreeze
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posted April 09, 2015 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
We are talking about Mal Narc or sociopath, if you want to extend it to that.You didn't answer the question, DF
I sure did. Mal Marc, sociopath, and lack of empathy are three distinct things. They are not mutually inclusive.
One does not mean that the other is present.
So you can't blame "being a monster" on "lack of empathy" while only looking at sociopaths.
That's targeting sociopaths and blaming lack of empathy alone. EXAMPLE ONLY
All sociopaths may lack empathy but not all who lack empathy are sociopaths.
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DeepFreeze
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posted April 09, 2015 09:44 AM
Anyway moving on.
This is turning into a rather pointless use of my time. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 09, 2015 10:13 AM
I can't follow you, DF, so let's see if some other people have opinions.------------------
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