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Ami Anne
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posted July 11, 2015 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The truth bites. Heh

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posted July 11, 2015 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ Do you know the term "alarmist" by any chance?

Because if you trust yellow journalists (at least, enough to share their articles) Doesn't it make you a fan of Conspiracy too? And if you like at a certain point, some conspiracy. How can you say that you try to live in Realville?

That would be, in fact, a new form of reality. A reality that adjusts to your own political way of thinking (and even fears) don't you think so?

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posted July 11, 2015 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is his FB.

Honestly, if the USA fails, it will be due to the stupidity of it's people.


https://www.facebook.com/IAmBrandonRaub

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posted July 11, 2015 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Huffington Post

Brandon J. Raub, Former Marine, Detained After Anti-Government Facebook Postings

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posted July 11, 2015 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/brandon-j-raub-marine-detained_n_1817484.html

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posted July 11, 2015 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Honestly, if the USA fails, it will be due to the stupidity of it's people.

~ Oh, I think that's a bit rude, at least coming from a Lady

Anyway, I think there's no point in being worried about something that is not going to change, (no matter how much you express your discomfort in a public forum) It's a total waste of energy. Too much time exposed to those bad feelings, doesn't seem to be a wise choice

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posted July 11, 2015 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... Might be bad for your health

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Ami Anne
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posted July 11, 2015 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The ignorance is frankly disgusting, especially with the holier than thou people.

People in this world would DIE to have the freedoms in the USA.

People act as if these freedoms will just be there for them, if they stay uneducated and foolish

THEY WON"T.

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posted July 11, 2015 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People who broadcast on FB that they're"here to sever heads" are exercising freedom to threaten lives. If someone who's been in a war zone in the middle east for 5 yrs said that, I would be surprised if he wasn't taken in for questioning. At the very least I would suspect he might have PTSD.

Or do you think we should just ignore Muslims who make the same kind of boasts? That is not a "criticism" but a threat and a public one at that.

Perhaps you also think it's cute to yell Fire in a public building. . Death threats are illegal too, have been forever

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posted July 12, 2015 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Politicians are always trying to take certain freedoms from women. I also remember at least one saying that abused women should just remember the good times, rather than get the **** out of there, and be free. There is so much that is hashed out legally and politically, efforts to curb *someone's* freedom, in the good old US of A.

We may have reasons to feel lucky to be here - I could list several reasons - but we aren't always the best, and we certainly aren't the most progressive.

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posted July 12, 2015 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I agree with you T. I just think you guys should really focus on issues like police abuse of force. On the crazy TSA incidents and stuff like that.
More than freedom to speak you should defend freedom to act freely and life life without fear.
In my country police men are considered friendly, many people from english speaking countries are just afraid of cops and can barely believe how everyone is relaxed around them LOL.

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posted July 12, 2015 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More than freedom to speak you should defend freedom to act freely and life life without fear.

S, dear, you make all my points for me without meaning to lol

First of all, YOU NEED FREEDOM TO SPEAK in order to have the other freedoms.

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posted July 12, 2015 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Teasel

In the past, abused women had few rights. When I got my masters, I worked at a domestic abuse shelter and learned a lot. Now, women have the rights they should have. Now, that is really not a core, pivotal issue like the loss of freedoms imo


People have to LOOK at the freedoms in the USA as compared to other countries.

If you want to retain them, you have to educate yourselves.

If not, you won't have them.

That is my point in all this
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posted July 12, 2015 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This isn't a political statement, just a character assessment. If someone believes that the most pressing issue facing Westerners is their right to make someone feel bad about themselves and verbally berate them for who they're married to or in a relationship with without consequence, that person is undoubtedly an a$$hole. Such a person is unlikely to have any friends outside of obscure corners of the internet, that's for sure. Homelessness is still an issue, you know? And it's a much bigger issue than one's right to be an a$$hole.

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posted July 12, 2015 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FREE SPEECH is sacrosanct in a free country. If you don't want a free country, then get all caught up in ancillary issues while your free speech is slowly taken from you.

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This is my overall point. Free Speech is the HEAD of a free society.

Homelessness, police brutality, racism, abuse of women are all very, very important issues, as is the right of any person to have a free life, including gay people and everyone else.

HOWEVER, the HEAD of a free society is free speech. If you cut off the head, it does not matter if you wear black or blue pumps. It does not matter if you wear sparkle sneakers or striped sneakers.

You are not free.

Love freedom! There are people who want to rob you of it.

Don't be stupid

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posted July 12, 2015 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More free speech..okay with you?
http://newswatch33.com/news/kkk-threatens-to-wipe-out-blacks-in-south-carolina-due-to-confederate-flag-removal/

How about Nazis saying the only good Jew is a dead Jew? Free speech?

When your Free Speech threatens the safety or limits the freedoms of others it is no longer just speech. Period.

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posted July 12, 2015 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES

Free Speech extends to Nazis. That reminds me of the Nazi Parade in Skokie. There were neighborhoods FULL of Holocaust survivors

The Nazis marched and I am sure they had banners about Jews and what they wanted to do with them.

I want them to have free speech. I want them to say what they want BECAUSE that assures that *I* will have Free Speech.

That is the issue! Please, my Friends, don't let people rob you of your Free Speech, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever!

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posted July 12, 2015 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In fact, with the Skokie thing, Jewish lawyers defended the Free Speech and Free Assembly of Nazis.

There are people who want to rob you of this and to keep you involved in other issues, so you don't see your Free Speech taken, little by little.

KNOW this and be smart, so they don't win due to your ignorance!

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posted July 12, 2015 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im not talking about parades but real Nazis. Whise speech led to the death of millions. A kill order is "speech". If I threaten your life I doubt you would shrug itoff as free speech. Nor does the govt shrug off threats to sever heads. Nor is refusing someone their right to marry a matter of speech, but action.

But you still havent come up with an example of the bible condemning homosexuality.

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Im not talking about parades but real Nazis. Whise speech led to the death of millions. A kill order is "speech". If I threaten your life I doubt you would shrug itoff as free speech. Nor does the govt shrug off threats to sever heads. Nor is refusing someone their right to marry a matter of speech, but action.

But you still havent come up with an example of the bible condemning homosexuality.


This is a very good point.

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posted July 12, 2015 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marine Brandon Raub speaks out following detention

http://www.nbc12.com/story/19396255/marine-brandon-raub-speaks-out-following-confinement

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posted July 12, 2015 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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~ I find it, kind of ironic... that I'm going to suggest to stay on topic lol, when I'm the kind of person that gets easily distracted while discussing topics.
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Ok, (Sweeties)
If the thread in question is about : " Homosexuals now want the US government to fire any military chaplain who opposes homosexuality ".

First of all, I don't know what is this thread doing in this particular section.
Because if the US goverment in involved, it's certainly clear that it belongs to Global Unity.

2) Instead of derailing the thread (probably because of lack of arguments) I think it would be more... practical to simply say something like:

" I'm absolutely against homosexuality and/or gay marriage because it seems (for me) that They (gays) are going to demand the removal of chaplains/preachers of my Religious Faith in the US army, which represents an attack to my beliefs ".
(Honestly, this thread may easily belong to The Spider Line too)

Why not being direct? Why don't just... express your feelings/thoughts in an absolutely clear way? Why creating such unecessary drama?

Again, if I were the OP:

" I think Homosexuals represent a menace against my religion/beliefs because They are going to demand the permanent removal of any Chaplain (in the US army) that stands against homosexuality.
The US Army should always be influenced by a religious doctrine, because Man can't walk without God (In this case, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which is the God in whom I believe).

Posted in Global Unity.
Period.
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- That's it ! ~ Piece of cake !
Why the meaningless squabble?
Why derailing the main topic, pseudo-argumenting with Women-rights, Nazis, Freedom in the US, and a laaaaaaaaaarge etc?

Funny way to avoid the main topic, let's discuss global pollution too lol

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posted July 12, 2015 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hate speech is actually illegal in my nation. So that one can be charged for distributing material meant to incite hatred, which inevitably leads to violence. Fot this reason the Black Panthers were not permitted to enter the country and speak here. As a result, hate crimes are far less common here than in the States (as is all violent crime).

I definitely would like to reaffirm that anyone touting their right to be a vocal, hateful Nazi or otherwise bigot as being more pressing than homelessness is definitely a friendless a$$hole. Which they have the right to be, but I don't see the point in mincing words.

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To be more even more frank, if someone gets fired because they simply can't help themselves but to get up on their podium and talk about how disgusting homosexuals are and much like those with Tourettes are simply incapable of keeping their stupid mouths shut, I don't feel sorry for them just like I don't feel sorry for someone who dies trying to climb a huge mountain. It's Darwinism. If you're a retard, you're a retard. That's no one else's fault, not is it their responsibility to protect you from your own stupidity and self-destructiveness.

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