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mercuranian
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posted August 26, 2015 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaturnFan:
"Dragging it out" is one way to put it. Another way is, showing that lip service is not cutting it anymore, and the members of this forum are seriously questioning the ability of the current moderator to "moderate" one of the most personal and sensitive sections of LL.

There are 2 ways this could end, either the moderator is changed or her behaviour is closely and fairly managed, or people just stop posting here, and Sweet Peas is left with topics by Ami about books and cooking.

When people voice valid concerns, and these concerns are not even acknowledged, especially when a number of users have left this forum over the same issue in the past, "dragging it out" is the only way to ensure that the forum retains its intended spirit and purpose. Once people "drop it", there'll be 2 or 3 members left visiting Sweet Peas in total


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Ami Anne
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posted August 26, 2015 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Biblical views may be hate speech to you, but they are deep convictions to me and others on here. Majority does not make for right--EVER! Take care.

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mercuranian
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posted August 26, 2015 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I, as a Born Again Christian, have an EQUAL voice to anyone here. I am sorry if YOU or others don't like it.


as a fellow poster - YES
as a moderator - NO!

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Faith
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posted August 26, 2015 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a difference between saying, "As a Christian I am against Islam and homosexuality" and actively antagonizing those groups.

It's the judgment and antagonism that constitutes the bigotry.

And a person whose comments too often have reflected a spirit of bigotry cannot truly moderate against bigotry, as they have a conflict of interest, wanting to see bigotry prevail for their own sake.

Now, is calling bigotry "bigotry" an insult and violation of the new law?

May we even name the offense that violates the "new policy" (whatever it actually is, I'm still unsure about)? May we say "Your comment is___________

misogynistic
racist
sexist
homophobic
ageist
bigoted"

Without that being construed as an insult that results in banning?

How can this forum be moderated at all then?

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mercuranian
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posted August 26, 2015 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
useless

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Ami Anne
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posted August 26, 2015 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just go by the rules, Faith. Take care.

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posted August 26, 2015 04:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaturnFan:
"Dragging it out" is one way to put it. Another way is, showing that lip service is not cutting it anymore, and the members of this forum are seriously questioning the ability of the current moderator to "moderate" one of the most personal and sensitive sections of LL.

There are 2 ways this could end, either the moderator is changed or her behaviour is closely and fairly managed, or people just stop posting here, and Sweet Peas is left with topics by Ami about books and cooking.

When people voice valid concerns, and these concerns are not even acknowledged, especially when a number of users have left this forum over the same issue in the past, "dragging it out" is the only way to ensure that the forum retains its intended spirit and purpose. Once people "drop it", there'll be 2 or 3 members left visiting Sweet Peas in total



You do have a point that if people are already vacating the forum one has to question even Randall's judgment in allowing the current despot - er, mod - to moderate the forum. I mean, one would think your objective as a site owner is to have people want to visit and participate in your site. But that's my own crazy logic.

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posted August 26, 2015 04:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also have to question Randall's wisdom in not knowing or understanding your audience whatsoever. Astrology is an ancient science practised largely by pagans and Vedics from India. And you've got someone from the religious right lording it over them. You've got a female-dominated forum where a loose cannon misogynist has been allowed to run wild with no intervention from said whackjob mod. Sort of flies in the face of basic common sense, but again, what do I know?

Certainly wouldn't be MY business model, however.

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Faith
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posted August 26, 2015 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder how many gays have altogether left this forum, I mean Lindaland in its entirety, after seeing the abuse of them that transpires here.

I wonder how many people unregistered or were banned out of protest.

I know it's a lot because I've watched it happening.

Some of the smartest and nicest people leave the fastest.

For whatever reason Randall has offered a highly appealing platform for astrologers to interact with each other, and then challenged our moral integrity, by asking us to accept or overlook the unacceptable, in order to remain here.

Why does astrology need to be continually oppressed by religion, even here and even now?

Astrology in its purest form allows us to see that we are all made of the same "ingredients" and therefore we are all fundamentally worthy of respect.

Those who cannot acknowledge the basic spiritual premise of astrology have no place at the forefront of the movement. All they can do is hold the whole thing back.

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posted August 26, 2015 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquacheeka, stick around. Please do not use pejorative terms, Randall is "looking to make an example of someone."

If you delete, I will delete this.

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posted August 26, 2015 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps it would have been better if I had left sooner with the others who basically gave up their ability to post here, for the good of the cause.

I'll console myself that it meant something that I decided to stick around being a pain in the a$$ about it, instead.

My chart looks a lot like Martin Luther King Jr's....this has been what I've thought, too...

I just can't stand to be silent about something that's harming people, right in front of me.

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posted August 26, 2015 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will never under any circumstances condone a witch hunt. You are wasting your proverbial breath. That being said, there will be explicit fairness in all of the Forums (fairness over expression if the two find themselves in conflict), but to clarify, since this Forum is the one with the stricter policy, if you violate said policy, there will be no warning. The rest of the site goes by the Terms of Agreement you agreed to upon sign-up, i.e., an informal polite reminder, then a formal warning, and then dismissal. The difference is that now an objective standard will be used as opposed to weighing freedom of expression. It won't be an issue for most of you. Thousands visit LL each day to read, to learn, and to interact and do so without belittling or insulting one another. Ami is entitled to her religious convictions, but as a Mod, she must put the fairness doctrine first from here on out. And she will, her personal convictions nothwithstanding. Christianity believes that marriage is between a man and a woman and that homosexuality is disapproved of by God. That does not make a Christian a bigot, a homophobe, or anything else. Muslims believe the same way. I don't see anyone here putting down Islam, yet they seem to feel attacking Christianity is okay. It's not. Ami is one of the Mods of this Forum. If you cannot accept that, perhaps you should not post in this Forum. Disrespecting a Mod is cause for dismissal of posting rights. Likewise, all Mods shall respect members. BY POSTING IN THIS FORUM, YOU AGREE TO THE NEW GUIDELINES AND ARE BOUND BY THEM. ACCORDING TO THE OBJECTIVE STANDARD OF CONTRACTS, FAILURE TO READ THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A DEFENSE.

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posted August 26, 2015 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why have so many people said that her remarks are homophobic then?

Equating beastiality with homosexuality...this is not Christianity.

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Randall
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posted August 26, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This isn't just an Astrology site; otherwise, there would only be Astrology Forums. BTW, "whackjob" is an insult.

quote:
Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Also have to question Randall's wisdom in not knowing or understanding your audience whatsoever. Astrology is an ancient science practised largely by pagans and Vedics from India. And you've got someone from the religious right lording it over them. You've got a female-dominated forum where a loose cannon misogynist has been allowed to run wild with no intervention from said whackjob mod. Sort of flies in the face of basic common sense, but again, what do I know?

Certainly wouldn't be MY business model, however.


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posted August 26, 2015 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is how you interpreted it. She made no such claim. She implied a slippery slope of the courts, and whether or not you agree with that assessment, it is not equating the two.

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Faith
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posted August 26, 2015 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
That is how you interpreted it. She made no such claim. She implied a slippery slope of the courts, and whether or not you agree with that assessment, it is not equating the two.

She's said a lot of things that many people were offended by. Anyone can read it point for point if they desire.

They have no consolation here.

How can even you assure us of protections against bigotry, when people are getting offended by comments...

But based on your relationship with the person who is making those comments...

You deem the comments themselves non-offensive, and the offended people are collectively in the wrong?

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posted August 26, 2015 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unlike many Forums, I encourage my Mods to have their own minds and the free expression thereof, but I have allowed this leeway much to the detriment of the Forum health, and this is my bad. I take full responsibility for it. It will be rectified. There will be respect across the board (pun intended).

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posted August 26, 2015 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Unlike many Forums, I encourage my Mods to have their own minds and the free expression thereof, but I have allowed this leeway much to the detriment of the Forum health, and this is my bad. I take full responsibility for it. It will be rectified. There will be respect across the board (pun intended).

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Faith
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posted August 26, 2015 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you.

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posted August 26, 2015 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I am saying is that people with a predisposition against Christianity will interpret things in such a light. But no matter; it's in the past, and it will not be our path moving forward. I do want fairness. Balancing free expression is no easy task. Sometimes, I lose my balance. I try.

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posted August 26, 2015 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Perhaps it would have been better if I had left sooner with the others who basically gave up their ability to post here, for the good of the cause.

I'll console myself that it meant something that I decided to stick around being a pain in the a$$ about it, instead.

My chart looks a lot like Martin Luther King Jr's....this has been what I've thought, too...

I just can't stand to be silent about something that's harming people, right in front of me.


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posted August 26, 2015 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
What I am saying is that people with a predisposition against Christianity will interpret things in such a light. But no matter; it's in the past, and it will not be our path moving forward. I do want fairness. Balancing free expression is no easy task. Sometimes, I lose my balance. I try.

Thanks again.

Er...

Any chance we can have Aquacheeka back, pretty please??? One more try?

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posted August 26, 2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Unlike many Forums, I encourage my Mods to have their own minds and the free expression thereof, but I have allowed this leeway much to the detriment of the Forum health, and this is my bad. I take full responsibility for it. It will be rectified. There will be respect across the board (pun intended).

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posted August 26, 2015 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome. I know you care, or else you wouldn't put forth the effort.

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thank you.

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posted August 26, 2015 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope. She knew the rule. She's gone. And it hurts me deeply. I liked her a lot.

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