posted August 26, 2015 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
But no matter; it's in the past, and it will not be our path moving forward. I do want fairness. Balancing free expression is no easy task. Sometimes, I lose my balance. I try.

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posted August 26, 2015 05:18 PM            

Having said that, Faith,

I am one of those who once left and came back again. I came back after having made some decisions concerning my posting behaviour. One of those decisions included or led me to stay out of certain parts of the forum, and focus on other parts, that feel more satisfying and worthwhile to be in for me.

Some people may not understand that or even think of that as ignorance or cowardice, but it was the only way for me to come back here, without getting lost in a fight against windmills. I figured it would be more valuable to me (and hopefully me offering something of value as well) to spend my time with people and aspects of astrology that I deeply care about.
That does not mean I agree with some behaviour or opinions or way of expression I see but do not comment on. I just figure the results will not be worth the effort.

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Little bit of a rant ahead:

Personally - and I am NOT directing that at a specific person now- I am SO tired and fed off with people who pretend to have a privilege to access the "ultimate truth" (no matter if personally delivered by God, Jesus, the angels, Mohammed, Buddha, the Superself, aliens, or any kind of political group etc.) and state their opinions as facts.

posted August 26, 2015 05:21 PM            

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That does not mean I agree with some behaviour or opinions or way of expression I see but do not comment on. I just figure the results will not be worth the effort.

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Yes I certainly did not mean any judgment against anyone with my comments.

You know I ADORE you, Ceri

posted August 26, 2015 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Nope. She knew the rule. She's gone. And it hurts me deeply. I liked her a lot.

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posted August 26, 2015 05:26 PM            

Yes, I know you did not mean it as judgment towards me.
I am (re)evaluating those decisions myself. Sometimes I feel I should be more outspoken like you and Leeloo have been.
But on the other hand that is so timeconsuming and I am stingy with my time.

That`s why i tend to focus on the positive sides here. Pure selfishiness on my part.
And possibly some form of resignation.

posted August 26, 2015 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Faith,

Yes, I know you did not mean it as judgment towards me.
I am (re)evaluating those decisions myself. Sometimes I feel I should be more outspoken like you and Leeloo have been.
But on the other hand that is so timeconsuming and I am stingy with my time.

That`s why i tend to focus on the positive sides here. Pure selfishiness on my part.
And possibly some form of resignation.

But LL has a lot to offer, and I am grateful for that.

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posted August 26, 2015 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Love you, Ceri. I'm sorry for what transpired to cause you leave years ago and for my part and role in it.

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posted August 26, 2015 05:47 PM            

Sending my emotional overkill and blessings to all who tread here, no exceptions.

Let's try for a new kind of forum.

Much love.

posted August 26, 2015 05:50 PM            

That and my first contact chart with LL is made so that I will never be able to leave.

posted August 26, 2015 06:51 PM            

Go forth and slay dragons!!

posted August 26, 2015 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I gotta go make dinner.

Sending my emotional overkill and blessings to all who tread here, no exceptions.

Let's try for a new kind of forum.

Much love.

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posted August 26, 2015 10:10 PM            

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But LL has a lot to offer, and I am grateful for that.

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Me too!

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Sending my emotional overkill and blessings to all who tread here, no exceptions.

Let's try for a new kind of forum.

Much love.

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Much love to you also!
I'm glad things are heading in a peaceful, friendly direction

posted August 28, 2015 11:15 AM            

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posted August 28, 2015 11:46 AM            

There is still something upsetting, despite Randall's HUGELY respectable change of mind.

It's just the contrast between the openness being strived for, and the harsh penalties for being "too open." That seems to invite disaster. And I can't swing it...it's confusing...and it makes me not want to be here at all. I suspect others may feel the same, hence the slower traffic.

Though I still wish everyone the best.

posted August 28, 2015 02:45 PM            

But a lull doesn't have any innate meaning, it can represent peace or discord.

I'm still concerned over the change in policy to "zero tolerance," and I'm sure others are as well.

When I said that I hope for a new forum, it was a show of confidence in you, Randall, based on your recent admission that there have been problems. Hence the petitions, etcetera, to try and convey that to you.

There is still trouble, however, and you haven't shown any progress in addressing that. There is no overt warning on the forum description that this is a zero tolerance forum. People should be warned and given a choice whether they want to participate or not, considering the gamble it is.

More to the point, I feel "zero tolerance" is unnecessary wherever the moderation is widely perceived as fair and just.

I didn't mean to sweep anything under a rug and pretend it was all resolved. I hope I didn't stifle anyone from continuing to express their concerns, if that was their wish.

Only time will tell how any changes manifest, and I hope it does play out favorably for all parties.

Perhaps I succumbed to a sense of irrational exuberance that that was possible.

Good intentions need to pick up more momentum than I've seen here so far, to fully effect positive change.

Just waiting and seeing.

posted August 28, 2015 02:50 PM            

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posted August 28, 2015 02:55 PM            

Why have a forum that is empty in either respect?

If I had a forum I would only install leaders that were generally trusted by the members, to effect the best possible atmosphere, a peaceful and true comraderie. I would not try and achieve calmness through litigation and threats. That's not peace.