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posted June 02, 2011 08:20 AM            

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I had a brainstorm as I was thinking about someone's chart.
Does the house which holds Deja TELL us the house/area of life in which we will be victimized.
With this particular chart and with my own,it worked.
This person had Deja in the 4th house and was abused by the father.
I have it in the 10th and was abused by my mother.
Please share Deja's house and if it fits!

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posted June 02, 2011 08:42 AM            

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I have Deja in 4th as well but shouldnt it work on the reverse? Since capricornian energy represents the Father archetype and cancerian energy the Mother??
I love my mother to death is she too, although she always desires to be in control=have a say in my life (extremely protective)
Is that relevant to deja themes at all??

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posted June 02, 2011 08:46 AM            

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Well Anemone
Different Astrologers ascribe the 4th and 10th to the two different parents.
I like what Sasportas says. He says to ask the particular person whose chart you are doing to show you which house represents which parent.
The person will know lol

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posted June 02, 2011 08:48 AM            

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Well Anemone
Being victimized can be in subtle or overt ways.
If a parent wanted to "take you for their own" in a Narcisstic way, that is being victimized.
My mother did this on a HUGE level. I am trying to pull myself away strand by strand like a giant yarn ball which seems hopelessly entangled

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posted June 02, 2011 08:49 AM            

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Hmm...I have Moon (the Mother) at the end of ninth, so practically tenth house...my mother has always been very prominent in my life - my father was in the background but his actions affected me and my family deeply (in terms of security, stability).
You might be on to sth here...

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posted June 02, 2011 09:35 AM            

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Wow, I have Deja in the 11th house conjunct Pluto... I hope that doesn't mean I get violently or very much abused by my friends.

Some do abuse my generousity, but they are dumped quite rapidly.

I also just noticed that my son's deja is in the 4th house... I already suspected that my ex might eventually start hurting him, because he himself is not the most stable of people and he tends to take his anger out on the person nearest to him, but I sincerely hope it won't come to that.

Unless it's the other way around for boys - in which case I can safely say I wouldn't even think about hurting him one way or another!

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posted June 02, 2011 09:38 AM            

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Well Aya ,IQ told me that Deja conjunct Pluto is GOOD.
I have it ,too.
It means YOU will not allow people to abuse you,forever.
You will stand up to bullying.

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posted June 02, 2011 09:57 AM            

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That is very true

It doesn't take me long (compared to what you generally hear of people) to realize I've been bullied around and I do end that bullying very quickly once I realize it is happening Thank god for that, really. It has managed to get me out of a few situations "in time" rather than too late. The strange thing is that rather than with friends, the most serious "bullying" I've experienced was from my mother and from several ex partners... But like I said, when a friend decides to "abuse" me that way, I do tend to end the friendship quickly, so that part is definitely true for me

I am worried about my son's deja now in his 4th house. It is widely conjunct his venus and conjunct his ceres... On the other side it's widely conjunct to his sun too. It kind of scares me to see an asteroid with this kind of reputation in that position

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posted June 02, 2011 10:21 AM            

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Dej retrograde(?) in the 12th house.

According to wikipedia, in Babylon astrology 12th house was said to rule prison! Oh, dear!

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posted June 02, 2011 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Dej retrograde(?) in the 12th house.

According to wikipedia, in Babylon astrology 12th house was said to rule prison! Oh, dear!

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I have this too. Perhaps we're abused by hidden enemies?

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posted June 02, 2011 04:37 PM            

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Ok my theory of a 12th house Deja is that YOU do not accept your own weakness.
IOW,if you cry you would say to yourself"Get over it"
You deny your own weak parts.
Does this fit with you 12th house Deja's

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posted June 02, 2011 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok my theory of a 12th house Deja is that YOU do not accept your own weakness.
IOW,if you cry you would say to yourself"Get over it"
You deny your own weak parts.
Does this fit with you 12th house Deja's

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Somewhat. Lol.

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posted June 02, 2011 04:45 PM            

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Ok THEN if you don;t accept your OWN whiny nature ,you get mad when someone else is whiny.

OK--I think I may know how a 12th house Deja works.
Please any 12th house Deja's answer but you have to be honest

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posted June 02, 2011 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok THEN if you don;t accept your OWN whiny nature ,you get mad when someone else is whiny.

OK--I think I may know how a 12th house Deja works.
Please any 12th house Deja's answer but you have to be honest

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Damn straight, which I why I don't like too many Pisces or other water signs. I'm whiny, too but in the pessimistic way. They're whiny in the emotional way. Lol.

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posted June 02, 2011 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok THEN if you don;t accept your OWN whiny nature ,you get mad when someone else is whiny.

OK--I think I may know how a 12th house Deja works.
Please any 12th house Deja's answer but you have to be honest

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I can never admit that i am beaten or abused in some way. I always find an excuse when someone wins. Maybe this is related an ego problem but i dont know. I never think that i have a weak part but rather i consider it as enhanceable. I just think if i study it can be good. Still it can be related to ego.

According to aspects and placements of my natal chart

Just read and i will relate it to dejanira prison placement

According to my past life reading, i went against convention(Mars quincunx Uranus) and expressed myself in a free and unhindered manner(aquriaus 12th). I may have been ostracized or imprisoned for your beliefs or actions.(Mars quincunx Uranus). Also i have karmic ties with my friends.(Saturn 11) In a prior life, i may have used your strength and power to control those weaker than you. There may have been many type of excesses.(mars retrogade).

So i may have been abused in prison or by just being in prison due to being something bad so it may explain deja placement.

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posted June 02, 2011 05:41 PM            

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I have Dejarna in the 4h house conjunct Sun and Uranus. I wouldn't consider myself victimized by my parents but rather my siblings.

Another person I know has Dejarna in the 11th and is constantly victimized by his friends

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posted June 02, 2011 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by starcrossedleo:
I have Dejarna in the 4h house conjunct Sun and Uranus. I wouldn't consider myself victimized by my parents but rather my siblings.

Another person I know has Dejarna in the 11th and is constantly victimized by his friends

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I love my whole family to death...perhaps we have to search deeper then for Deja energy manifestations - if I am being victimised its damn subtle for sure!!

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posted June 02, 2011 06:19 PM            

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On that note...well,I am referring to parents/siblings but I dont have my own children for example yet...does this mean i can potentially be victimised that way? Or are children strictly ruled by 5th house?
i am perplexed on Deja, I dont feel her strongly

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posted June 03, 2011 02:01 PM            

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Bump
Please share if you know where your Dejanara is

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posted June 03, 2011 03:19 PM            

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mine is in the 10th too. was not abused by either parent.

LL seems to focus alot on asteroids. what i've kinda noticed in my chart is that if there is a planet there i kinda don't feel the effect of the asteroid. i feel the aspect sure but not the asteroid. if it were an empty house though i can relate to the asteroid.

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posted June 03, 2011 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
mine is in the 10th too. was not abused by either parent.

LL seems to focus alot on asteroids. what i've kinda noticed in my chart is that if there is a planet there i kinda don't feel the effect of the asteroid. i feel the aspect sure but not the asteroid. if it were an empty house though i can relate to the asteroid.

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exactly.

if not all, the majority of asteroids as an energy are meant to be felt in ASPECTS and not like planets in Houses...i wouldnt bother much about signs in Asteroids either...
some of them only work as 'pairs'

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posted June 03, 2011 03:54 PM            

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Why are there always so many posts about bloody Nessus and Dejanara?

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posted June 03, 2011 11:14 PM            

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I have this in the eighth house... (scorpy)
it's sextile my nessus by 3 degrees

is that bad?

My friend has nessus opp dejanira by a degree... What does it mean?

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posted June 04, 2011 05:32 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
mine is in the 10th too. was not abused by either parent.

LL seems to focus alot on asteroids. what i've kinda noticed in my chart is that if there is a planet there i kinda don't feel the effect of the asteroid. i feel the aspect sure but not the asteroid. if it were an empty house though i can relate to the asteroid.

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Very interesting Sand. So, the planet energy overwhelms the asteroid energy.
That makes sense cuz the asteroid is a subtler energy I think.
It is like a spice lol

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posted June 04, 2011 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Anemone:
exactly.

if not all, the majority of asteroids as an energy are meant to be felt in ASPECTS and not like planets in Houses...i wouldnt bother much about signs in Asteroids either...
some of them only work as 'pairs'

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Yes Anemone
I was thinking this too when people asked about signs and houses.
I think one will make false assumptions if they go down that track.
Would you agree about Juno in the houses for example or BML?
Are you thinking even these things ONLY really come in to play as very exact aspects in the natal and synastry?
I am thinking---Yes.

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