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Anemone Moderator Posts: 152 From: Registered: Oct 2010	posted June 05, 2011 10:49 AM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Awesome explanation of Nessus Anemone For me,Nessus is THE most not integrated part of myself. When I can integrate it I will be emotionally healthy. It is very hard for me to face the dark parts of myself. It feels like I am touching a live wire.It hurts.It burns. I recoil. However, if I run away I meet Nessus from the outside. It is in my 7th house. Venus is in there ,too but not near Nessus.Thank God However, the point is that one projects 7th house planets/asteroids out and finds them in the significant other. You don't want to find Nessus on the outside cuz you are too weak to look at him in the inside lol Why, thank you Ami It feels as if we are dealing with Nessus energy as Opposites...I have to face him in my own Self, as it is projected unto others even without me realising (wearing it on my sleeve), its there with me, part of my Persona - while you are forced to find your Nessus primarily in others, as 7th House indicates. I am Mirroring Nessus while other people Mirror Nessus back to you. I feel as if somehow we were meant to interact at this level you and I, to find in one another our 'counterparts' - I am showing you your Nessus (1st House Nessus energy, Self) and you are showing me how I might affect others (7th House, Relationships/Others). I think everything happens for a reason. Its no wonder I keep attracting/be attracted to people whose Nessus touch my ASC. They show me that dark place that boils in the surface and yet it is oh so easy for me to ignore or try to stifle. I feel, respectively, that you are going to really get affected by people whose Nessus touch your Venus/7th House, should you have this kind of aspect. As if people come into our lives to remind us of who we truly are, to heal and revel in the glory of our imperfect yet wonderful selves. PS. I hope I make sense, English is not my native/first language IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 05, 2011 10:53 AM Oh my Goodness Your English is wonderful Anemone What is your native language? As far as Nessus. I recently had a Nessus/Deja relationship where Nessus was as close as between my eyes. I will explain later,as I have to go now ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 140 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 05, 2011 01:16 PM I just noticed something... quote: In a man's chart mars or nessus hard aspect to dejanira I believe shows an abuser, and a victim conversely in the female chart. I asked earlier about these aspects in synastry: His Nessus exactly conjunct my Mars (in Cancer in the 9th house) His Sun exactly conjunct my Dejanira (in Gemini 8th house) also... His Nessus square my Pluto His Neptune opposite my Dejanira His Chiron exactly semisquare my Dejanira Looking at the natal charts... I see that he has: Nessus square Pluto exact Nessus square Juno exact Nessus inconjunct Dejanira exact Dejanira opposite Sun Dejanira conjunct Neptune In my chart I have: Nessus conjunct Sun and square Moon Nessus conjunct Part of Fortune exact Nessus semisquare North Node Nessus semisquare Vertex exact Nessus square Ascendant Nessus semisquare Dejanira Dejanira semisquare Moon exact Dejanira conjunct North Node Dejanira conjunct Vertex IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 05, 2011 01:35 PM quote: Originally posted by cooljen: I just noticed something... I asked earlier about these aspects in synastry: His Nessus exactly conjunct my Mars (in Cancer in the 9th house) His Sun exactly conjunct my Dejanira (in Gemini 8th house) also... His Nessus square my Pluto His Neptune opposite my Dejanira His Chiron exactly semisquare my Dejanira Looking at the natal charts... I see that he has: Nessus square Pluto exact Nessus square Juno exact Nessus inconjunct Dejanira exact Dejanira opposite Sun Dejanira conjunct Neptune In my chart I have: Nessus conjunct Sun and square Moon Nessus conjunct Part of Fortune exact Nessus semisquare North Node Nessus semisquare Vertex exact Nessus square Ascendant Nessus semisquare Dejanira Dejanira semisquare Moon exact Dejanira conjunct North Node Dejanira conjunct Vertex Oh My Goodness What a fine collection of Nessus Let me ask you this before I go on.Please only include aspects which are 2 degrees or less. If you could,show the degrees. Asteroids are VERY degree sensitive. Please make your list in that way and I will look at it. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Anemone Moderator Posts: 152 From: Registered: Oct 2010	posted June 05, 2011 01:47 PM Thanks Ami My native tongue is Greek I, too, concur that Asteroids are very degree sensitive - up to 4 degrees (if they include Sun/Moon/ASC or are 'pairs' like Nessus/Deja) for 'subtle' influence. Fr strong influence we need maximum orb of 2 degrees. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 05, 2011 01:55 PM Anemone I experienced an EXACT Nessus --15 seconds off on my son--in synastry. That was so powerful that I could barely breathe lol That showed me how degree sensitive the asteroids are. Some people will only count one degree or less. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 05, 2011 01:56 PM Anemone Check out my thread about the link.Do YOU have that link? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 140 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 05, 2011 03:41 PM quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh My Goodness What a fine collection of Nessus Let me ask you this before I go on.Please only include aspects which are 2 degrees or less. If you could,show the degrees. Asteroids are VERY degree sensitive. Please make your list in that way and I will look at it. No problem! Thanks for looking... His Nessus exactly conjunct my Mars (in Cancer in the 9th house) His Sun exactly conjunct my Dejanira (in Gemini 8th house) also... His Nessus square my Pluto (4 deg) His Neptune opposite my Dejanira (3 deg) His Chiron exactly semisquare my Dejanira Looking at the natal charts... I see that he has: Nessus square Pluto exact Nessus square Juno exact Nessus inconjunct Dejanira exact Dejanira opposite Sun (1 deg) Dejanira conjunct Neptune (2 deg) In my chart I have: Nessus conjunct Sun (2 deg) and square Moon (1 deg) Nessus conjunct Part of Fortune exact Nessus semisquare North Node (2 deg) Nessus semisquare Vertex exact Nessus square Ascendant (4 deg) Nessus semisquare Dejanira (1 deg) Dejanira semisquare Moon exact Dejanira conjunct North Node (3 deg) Dejanira conjunct Vertex (1 deg) IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 05, 2011 03:49 PM I have NEVER seen so much Nessus at one place lol Ok I will meditate on it but while I am doing that can you TELL me how it felt. Please give as much detail as you can. I will tell you about my Nessus/Deja exact DW relationship too lol ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 140 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 05, 2011 04:59 PM well...This guy is the same guy that I was talking about in a different thread. Without going all into it here...here's the link (it has the synastry, composite, and davidson) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208459.html There's plenty of background there! This guy is in a relationship (like really in one...for a long time [years], not married, but in a relationship). He flirts with lots of girls, goes looking for them. I dont trust him and I called him out on the fact that he flirts with everyone, and now he seems to be keeping that in check (at least around me). I havent seen him act the way he was at first. But, I dont understand what kind of relationship he has with his gf because he doesnt seem into her (I assume when he's around her, he tries to, who knows?) I'm not trying to get involved in anything because 1. I dont trust him 2. I feel like I've been in a similar situation before and dont want any part of that now. But the whole thing is intriguing to me because there's this 'attraction'. I wont deny that, though at the moment I'm trying not to pay any attention to him at all (despite my looking at charts and stuff). I'm just trying to figure this all out. I only looked at the Nessus stuff because I saw in another thread, someone mentioned Nessus and Dejanira, so I decided to look those up, out of curiosity and low and behold... By the way, his gf, I'm pretty sure her birthday is 10 days after mine, same year, so we share some placements and aspects (not all). I dont think she's similar to me (never met her) but she seems pretty plain, and a bit babyish. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 05, 2011 06:29 PM I will check out the threads later Lets see if he has any of the "Mert" asteroids such as Pan,Bacchus, Cassanova, Cupido Narcissus etc ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 140 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 05, 2011 09:21 PM ok so... Pan is at 8 deg Gemini,trine Moon (1 deg), semisextile Venus (1 deg), conjunct Mars (4 deg), opposite Part of Fortune (1 deg), conjunct Bacchus (4 deg) Bacchus is conjunct Mars exact, trine Saturn exact, sextile North Node (1 deg), trine Vertex (3 deg) Casanova is at 29 deg Gemini, square Jupiter exact, square Saturn (3 deg), semisextile North Node (2 deg), square Vertex exact, conjunct Cupido exact Narcissus is at 20 deg Pisces, square Sun exact, square Neptune (3 deg), inconjunct Pluto (1 deg), sextile Chiron exact IP: Logged
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 140 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 06, 2011 06:28 PM *bump IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 06, 2011 07:34 PM Please KEEP bumping a thread if I get distracted from it. I am very sorry. I have too many fingers in the proverbial pie Your thread is so detailed that I need to pay very close attention to it. I want to get in to that space where I can give it the attention it needs! ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 140 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 06, 2011 08:59 PM Don't be sorry...there's so many interesting threads right now! IP: Logged
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 140 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 07, 2011 05:56 PM bump! IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 07, 2011 09:10 PM quote: Originally posted by cooljen: No problem! Thanks for looking... His Nessus exactly conjunct my Mars (in Cancer in the 9th house) His Sun exactly conjunct my Dejanira (in Gemini 8th house) also... His Nessus square my Pluto (4 deg) His Neptune opposite my Dejanira (3 deg) His Chiron exactly semisquare my Dejanira Looking at the natal charts... I see that he has: Nessus square Pluto exact Nessus square Juno exact Nessus inconjunct Dejanira exact Dejanira opposite Sun (1 deg) Dejanira conjunct Neptune (2 deg) In my chart I have: Nessus conjunct Sun (2 deg) and square Moon (1 deg) Nessus conjunct Part of Fortune exact Nessus semisquare North Node (2 deg) Nessus semisquare Vertex exact Nessus square Ascendant (4 deg) Nessus semisquare Dejanira (1 deg) Dejanira semisquare Moon exact Dejanira conjunct North Node (3 deg) Dejanira conjunct Vertex (1 deg) Ok Cooljen Thanks for your patience.I am gonna meditate on it and come back and forth. OK Just looking at him.He is a very Nessus person if you could say that lol Does he have very magnetic vibes? He has Nessus square Pluto exact and Nessus square Juno exact. That tells me that HE would be the Nessus side and not the Deja side. They are paired energies in my mind The Deja energy is the more suppressed and the Nessus is the more expressed. Hmmm Deja conjunct Neptune. That seems strange. Would his victim/weak side be squished in to his distortions and deceptions. My sense is that he suppressed Deja and expressed Nessus. Put simply, he would be more of an abuser than a victim. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 07, 2011 09:15 PM quote: Originally posted by cooljen: No problem! Thanks for looking... His Nessus exactly conjunct my Mars (in Cancer in the 9th house) His Sun exactly conjunct my Dejanira (in Gemini 8th house) also... His Nessus square my Pluto (4 deg) His Neptune opposite my Dejanira (3 deg) His Chiron exactly semisquare my Dejanira Looking at the natal charts... I see that he has: Nessus square Pluto exact Nessus square Juno exact Nessus inconjunct Dejanira exact Dejanira opposite Sun (1 deg) Dejanira conjunct Neptune (2 deg) In my chart I have: Nessus conjunct Sun (2 deg) and square Moon (1 deg) Nessus conjunct Part of Fortune exact Nessus semisquare North Node (2 deg) Nessus semisquare Vertex exact Nessus square Ascendant (4 deg) Nessus semisquare Dejanira (1 deg) Dejanira semisquare Moon exact Dejanira conjunct North Node (3 deg) Dejanira conjunct Vertex (1 deg) You have Nessus conjunct the Sun.Please tell me what that feels like? You have it square the moon, too. MAN Please tell me how you feel that if you could? I don't use the minor aspects cuz I am just not familiar with them You have Deja conjunct NN Hmm ---The Deja experience is part of your life path I would say you must understand and somehow embody Deja. How would that work I wonder? Do you need to deal with your victim parts and own them ? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 07, 2011 09:22 PM I am confused who is who in the natals. In the synastry,there are so many things it is hard to get a sense of it I am not that good either. If you want to post the synastry with Nessus /Deja ,Cupido, and Eros so I can look at what I understand and the degrees also ,I will look You can post each natal too so I can get a sense of each person Are you still with him? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 07, 2011 09:33 PM OH IT IS OK You told me the synastry. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 07, 2011 09:35 PM quote: His Nessus exactly conjunct my Mars (in Cancer in the 9th house) His Sun exactly conjunct my Dejanira (in Gemini 8th house) also... His Nessus square my Pluto (4 deg) His Neptune opposite my Dejanira (3 deg) His Chiron exactly semisquare my Dejanira OK this is what I want ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 07, 2011 09:36 PM I am gonna have to think on how it plays out. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 07, 2011 09:39 PM quote: His Nessus exactly conjunct my Mars (in Cancer in the 9th house) His Sun exactly conjunct my Dejanira (in Gemini 8th house) also... His Nessus square my Pluto (4 deg) His Neptune opposite my Dejanira (3 deg) His Chiron exactly semisquare my Dejanira I will think on this and it will be my first thing to do tomorrow . ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 140 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 07, 2011 09:40 PM wow thanks for your responses Ami Anne! I'm not quite sure how to describe my own aspects though. Nessus conjunct my Sun - does that mean I have some abusive traits?? lol I hope not, although I'd rather have that than the victim ones. Seeing the Dejanira conjunct North Node and Vertex is a little disconcerting. About the synastry, I am on the inside. And we are not together, have not been yet (if ever). But would the aspects we have in our natals create an attraction? I think there are plenty of other aspects in the synastry that show that, but I'm interested in these Nessus/Dejanira aspects. Are Nessus-Dejanira types drawn to each other? Is that a bad thing? I'm just trying to get some insight. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11177 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 08, 2011 07:46 AM No Darling Thanks for narrowing it down to Nessus/Deja.That makes it easier. I am gonna think on it and come back. Give me ALL the Nessus /Deja info in synastry--houses etc That synastry chart is so packed I can't make sense of it. List anything else you want me to consider. In the meantime, I will think about what you have listed about the synastry. Thank you for your kind word, too! ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged

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