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DD
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posted September 26, 2010 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara,

sorry to be a wet blanket, but could you do the list again with the parameters I suggested?
I want to do some counting.

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posted September 26, 2010 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you mean? Do you want the orbs listed cos they are all within your criteria

or would you like houses etc put in?
(me confused!!) lol

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posted September 26, 2010 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD
On composite A----can I look at the houses????
I know that I need to ignore the houses on the other composites.

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posted September 26, 2010 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a bit lazy today, so I am only listing the conjunctions of these composites (and other aspects under 1 degree):


A:
Lust conjunct Valentine conjunct Angel in Scorpio in 10th house

Mercury conjunct Neptune in Sag in 11th house

Ceres conjunct Isis in Pisces in 2nd house

Eros conjunct IC in 4th house

Amor conjunct NN (conjunct Mars) in Libra in 9th house


exact aspects:
Moon sextile Valentine / Lust / Angel
Moon sextile Ceres
Moon trine Juno
Moon square Mars

Venus square Pluto

Saturn square Angel and Lust (but not Valentine, how interesting)
Saturn square Juno
Saturn opposite Osiris

NN conjunct Amor
NN trine Osiris

Chiron square ASC

Ceres sextile Juno
Ceres trine Valentine
Isis trine Valentine
Juno trine Angel
Juno trine Lust


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posted September 26, 2010 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh ok, so you'd like me to do the composite one again? So the synastry i did ok?

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posted September 26, 2010 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
composite B:

Amor conjunct Pallas in Pisces
Aphrodite conjunct SN
Lust conjunct Eros in Libra
Sun conjunct Pluto conjunct Osiris conjunct Angel in Libra
Isis conjunct Valentine
Vesta connecting both sets of conjunctions;
Vesta is directly conjunct Osiris and Valentine
Mercury conjunct Venus in Scorpio

exact aspects:
Sun conjunct Angel
Sun conjunct Pluto
Sun conjunct Osiris
Sun sextile Neptune
Sun trine Psyche
Mercury trine Amor
Venus trine Pallas
Saturn trine Chiron
Neptune sextile Osiris
Pluto conjunct Osiris
Psyche trine Angel
Psyche trine Sun
Pallas square Juno
Juno trine Lust
Eros conjunct Lust
Valentine conjunct Isis

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posted September 26, 2010 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
composite C:

Angel conjunct NN
Mars conjunct Mercury
Osiris conjunct Vesta conjunct Isis
Psyche conjunct Pallas


exact aspects:
Sun sextile Ceres
Jupiter trine Pallas
Saturn trine Mars
Pluto square Vesta
NN square Amor
NN sextile Aphrodite
Chiron opposes Lust
Valentine square Pallas
Angel square Amor
Angel trine Juno
Eros trine Psyche

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posted September 26, 2010 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami,

yes the houses are right in the first one.

Lara,

no, no, I was thinking about synastry, but really am only interested in those aspects I mentioned.

Like for example:
Ceres conjunct Sun

For now I am not interested in something like
Ceres conjunct Kaali.

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posted September 26, 2010 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your listing the aspects ,DD, makes it much easier
I will be back and forth during the day .

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posted September 26, 2010 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought it would. Helps me wade through the mass of information.

The second one looks slightly "dark", doesn`t it?
Just that Sun-Pluto-conjunction there and then even connected to that bunch of asteroids.
Osiris is not really "light" either.
I wonder what Kaali and Siva are doing in that chart. lol

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posted September 26, 2010 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WEll, Kaali and Siva are not doing much in that chart.

Kaali being exact conjunct Ceres and roughly opposing Sun-Angel-conjunction.


But the Sumerians are pretty active there.
Adonis conjunct Inannen precisely and exactly sextile Inannen and trine Ishtar.

And then there is Anubis...
on 18 Cappy squaring the Sun/Pluto/Angel/Osiris-stellium.

JEEZ, what is THIS about?

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posted September 26, 2010 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you stomach some more?

Nessus is on 20 Cancer, opposing Anubis and squaring Sun/Pluto/Angel/Osiris.

*starting to slowly back away from composite chart*


Maybe, just maybe, it`sn ot such a good idea to be in a room with him, even if it will be full of other people, too?
Especially in a rather, mmh, "gothic" environment?

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posted September 26, 2010 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah and i think i did only list the aspects you mentioned, didn't i?

Where there were cj's to the aspects i just added them!

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posted September 26, 2010 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually on t hat very day there will be a conjunction of Sun and Mercury on 21 and 20 Libra, so having just transited over the Pluto/Angel/Sun/Osiris stellium and approaching Valentine, Isis and Vesta.

And Tr Moon will just have transited over Anubis, which - of cousre - falls onto my Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp.


Luckily the composite Nessus is aspecting neither Venus nor Dejanira, not in composite, not in our natals.
Though composite Nessus on my Eros / Vertex and his Lust?

What to think of that?

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posted September 26, 2010 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara,

yes, that might have been wehre the confusion stems from, the adding of all the conjunctions.
Though I generally think it is important to see it alltogether, for that special purpose, it is actually countereffective.

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posted September 26, 2010 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the second one seems darker.
I wish I was better

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posted September 26, 2010 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,
I am going to look at our aspects for you. Do you want me to use Lust, Eros and Aphrodite only? Do you want me to include any others?

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posted September 26, 2010 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ViG,

"Can you check in your synastry following ones?

conjunction / oppositions: 3 degrees
trines / square: 2 degrees
sextile / quinkunx: 1.3 degrees


Moon/Ceres/Demeter/Amor

Venus/Juno/Valentine/Psyche

Mars/Aphrodite/Lust/Eros


to

Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, chartruler

and to

Karma, Destinn, NN and Vertex?"


Moon / Ceres / Demeter / Amor for platonic and family love.

Venus / Juno / Valentine / Psyche for romantic love

Mars / Aphrodite / Lust / Eros for sexual attraction.

and only
to identity-objects: Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC and chartruler.

and in a second step karmic / fate markers like Karma, Destinn, NN, Vertex.


So in the romantic category something like:
Valentine conjunct Sun would fit,

but Valentine conjunct Eros wouldn`t appear there.


This is just for checking how the attraction markers are distributed.


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posted September 26, 2010 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here you go DD
(not much has changed)


moon/ceres/demeter/amor
my moon/amor cj (in aries) cj his mars
my moon/amor sextile his venus (in gemini)
my amor trine his AC
my ceres sextile his AC

his moon sextile my destinn
his ceres trine my sun
his ceres opp my karma
his demeter trine my AC
his amor trine my AC/moon/venus
his amor quincunx my mars

Venus/Juno/Valentine/Psyche
my venus cj his mars
my venus sextile his venus
my venus quincunx his karma
my juno opp his sun/jupiter
my juno trine his NN
my valentine square his mars
my valentine trine his karma
my psyche cj his moon/karma

his venus sextile my venus/moon/NN
his juno sextile my AC
his valentine opp my moon/venus
his valentine quincunx my mars
his valentine square my destinn
his psyche square my sun/karma


Mars/Aphrodite/Lust/Eros
my mars opp his karma
my aphrodite cj his venus
my aphrodite sextile his mars
my aphrodite quincunx his karma
my eros square his NN

his mars cj my venus
his mars cj my NN (4)
his aphrodite cj my AC (0)
his lust cj my destinn
his lust square my NN
his eros cj my mars
his eros trine my vertex

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posted September 26, 2010 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*sighs*

I think I must communicate very unclearly today.

I actually meant it like this:


moon/ceres/demeter/amor
my moon cj (in aries) cj his mars
my amor cj his mars
my amor trine his AC
my ceres sextile his AC
my moon sextile his venus (in gemini)
my amor sextile his venus

his demeter trine my AC
his amor trine my AC
his amor trine my moon
his amor trine my venus
his amor quincunx my mars
his ceres trine my sun


Venus/Juno/Valentine/Psyche
my juno opp his sun
my valentine square his mars
my venus cj his mars
my venus sextile his venus
my psyche cj his moon

his juno sextile my AC
his venus sextile my moon
his valentine opp my moon
his venus sextile my venus
his valentine opposite my venus
his valentine quincunx my mars
his psyche square my sun


Mars/Aphrodite/Lust/Eros

my aphrodite sextile his mars
my aphrodite cj his venus

his mars cj my venus
his aphrodite cj my AC (0)
his eros cj my mars

karmic markers
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my venus quincunx his karma
my valentine trine his karma
my psyche conjunct his karma
my mars opp his karma#
my aphrodite quincunx his karma

his ceres opp my karma
his psyche square my Karma


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my juno trine his NN
my eros square his NN

his moon sextile my destinn
his valentine square my destinn
his lust cj my destinn
his Venus sextile my NN
his lust square my NN
his eros trine my vertex

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posted September 26, 2010 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh i see!! You wanted the aspects to be grouped together

Thanks DD, i didn't realise that

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posted September 26, 2010 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, exactly that.

As you can see you have very many and beautiful loving and romantic aspects, but not so much sexual ones. Yet the sexual you have seem to be extra juicy.
So I think it shows that though the sexual is NOT the primary factor in getting together, it must be very fulfilling.
I think it is also important to have mutual aspects, meaning that there is some balance.

I wouldn`t want a synastry in which only one person`s love or erotic asteroids are being triggered, while the other stays un-triggered. Might be very disbalanced.

What do you say about my composites, especially the first two ones?

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posted September 26, 2010 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess this would be a very disbalanced synastry:

Moon/Demeter/Ceres/Amor
dialoge in my head:
-do I really have to limit myself to 1.3 degrees for sextiles?
- Oh well, yes, I think we must.
- But we have such a nice Moon-Sun-sextile at 2 degrees?
- stick to the rules! We layed them ourselves, and with good reason, missy!
Remember? You even considered leaving out quinkunx and sextile alltogether!
- oh well, if you / we think so.


Enough of my mental weirdness.

Moon / Ceres / Demeter / Amor
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my Ceres square his ASC

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his Ceres trine my Vertex
his Ceres trine my Destinn
his Amor quinkunx my Vertex
his Amor quinkunx my Destinn


Venus/Juno/Valentine/Psyche
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his Venus square my chartruler
his Psyche trine my chartruler
his Valentine quinkunx my ASC
his Valentine opposite my Venus
his Valentine quinkunx my Mars
his Juno conjunct my Mars

my Venus conjunct his Sun
my Juno sextile his chartruler
my Valentine conjunct his Mars
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my Juno sextile his NN
my Juno sextile his Destinn
his Venus conjunct my NN

Mars / Eros/Aphrodite/Lust
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my Lust conjunct his ASC
my Aphrodite sextile his Venus
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my Eros quinkunx his Karma
my Eros conjunct his Vertex
his Eros trine my Vertex
his Lust sextile my Vertex


EDIT:
my personal conclusion:

There is a heavily karmic theme here, but not enough substantial connection. With that I mean connections to "identity"-planets/points.
It`s not our personality that is the reason for any possible attraction. Attraction could of course still be there, as we left out all the other neat aspects like asteroids to each other or Venus-Pluto etc.
There are also some "core" aspects like ASC-ASC-conjunction for example, which would imply a belonging to the same soulgroup.
BUT with so little aspects to identity-points, there might not be enough meat to the attraction. Nothing to keep it anchored by our personalities.

There are of course some "highlights" still.

First of it is very clear, that this is not about a platonic/ family connection, which also, to a big time, excludes unconditionality.
Only one aspect in this first sector, and then a square. Oh please!


The romantic sector seems to be considerably stronger. On first glance it seems like he might be more drawn to me with that mass of aspects, but looking a little closer we find:

his Sun and Mars are having conjunctions to very loving energies in my chart (Venus and Valentine). Sun and Mars are representative of male behaviour, so probably they are stronger in a man, could be even emphasising the attraction.
Aspects to his love-asteroids are considerably weaker.
The quinkunxes might be indicative of a certain cluelessness what to do about me. Something that just doesn`t sit entirely right.
There are two stronger connections, too, though
his Juno conjunct my Mars
his Valentine opposite my Venus

Now, Mars is not a gender planet for a woman; many women tend to project it onto the men. So he loves my animus, that what I like to find in a man. Since my Mars is conjunct his ASC (by 4 degrees, that is why I did not list it), could it be that he would love or like the way I see him as my "ideal man"?
On the other hand, though Mars usually is not an identification object for most women, it`s different in my case, as Mars is conjunct my ASC. So Mars is very much a part of my own package.
(Adding to the conventional gender representations I think that first of all EVERYONE identifies with their Sun - and maybe even Moon- PLUS all planets conjunct Sun, ASC, chartruler and the genderplanets become identification objects themselves).
But if there was some attraction on his side, it probably would take place, if I am exhibiting "masculine" characteristics.
He sort of would be drawn to "the man in me". lol
Funnily though his Venus is conjunct his ASC, so an identification object for him, too. So any aspects to his Venus could also meant that I am drawn to "the woman in him".
how confusing!
Then there is his Valentine opposing my Venus - I guess that would add some spice, and probably potential attraction, too, but not a smooth one. Might even oscillate at times.

In the third category it becomes clear that he is "just not into me". My Lust and Mars conjunct his ASC are speaking loud and clear, as well as the fact that there are no aspects from his side (though I wonder if it has any meaning that his Cupido is exactly conjunct my ASC and also conjunct my Mars. lol).

EDIT 2:

Modifying factors could be through houserulers:

my 4th house ruler conjunct his ASC
my 7th house ruler ---
my 5th house ruler conjunct his Sun
(my 8th house ruler ---)

his 4th house ruler --------
his 7th house ruler --------
his 5th house ruler square my chartruler
his 5th house ruler conjunct my NN
(his 8th house ruler conjunct my Venus)

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posted September 26, 2010 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After that first step I would check aspects

WITHIN one categore, for example Ceres - Moon

and then YIN to YANG, especially 2nd to 3rd category; I think even though people are not each other`s type normally (as shown in little involvement with identity objects), if there are strong aspects, there seems to be an attraction out of the nowwhere, which might even seem unexplainable.
"You are so not my type, sowhy can`t I stop staring at you?"

In the case of my example synastry.

Aspects WITHIN one category:
(1)
his Demeter quinkunx my Demeter

(2)
his Valentine opposite my Venus

(3)
his Lust sextile my Eros
his Eros trine my Eros


Mix of Romantic and sexual attraction (2)-(3)
his Venus sextile my Aphrodite
his Juno conjunct my Mars
his Valentine quinkunx my Mars

my Juno conjunct his Eros
my Valentine conjunct his Mars

Of course we could also check how the emotional mixes with the other two categories.


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posted September 26, 2010 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,
Here is my group of aspects. Jupiter is my chart ruler, and Mars is his.

Moon, Ceres, Demeter, Amor

My moon quincunx his moon
My moon sextiles his venus
My moon conjuncts his Jupiter
My moon trines his destinn
My moon sesquidrates his ASC
His moon opposes my sun
His moon quincunx my moon
His moon quincunx my venus
His moon square my mars
His moon square my Jupiter
his moon square my north node
his moon opposes my vertex
his moon quincunx my destinn
his moon semisquare my ASC

my ceres sextile his venus
my ceres conjunct his Jupiter
my ceres conjunct his Pluto
my ceres sesquidrate his ceres
my ceres trine his Demeter
my ceres trine his amor
my ceres squares his karma
his ceres quintiles my venus
his ceres squares my vertex
his ceres sesquidrates my ceres
his ceres squares my amor
his ceres squares my karma

my Demeter quincunx his moon
my Demeter conjunct his Jupiter
my Demeter conjunct his Pluto
my Demeter trine his Demeter
my Demeter trine his destinn
his Demeter square my sun
his Demeter trine my moon
his Demeter opposes my Jupiter
his Demeter opposes my north node
his Demeter squares my vertex
his Demeter trines my ceres
his Demeter trines my Demeter
his Demeter squares my amor
his Demeter quincunx my destinn
his Demeter sesquidrates my ASC

my amor trines his mars
my amor semisquares his Jupiter
my amor squares his ceres
my amor squares his Demeter
my amor squares his destinn
his amor trines my venus
his amor trines my ceres
his amor trines my Demeter
his amor squares my destinn

Composite
Moon trine venus
Moon biquintile mars
Moon semisquare Jupiter
Moon quintile Pluto
Moon sesquidrate Demeter
Moon semisquare karma
Ceres square Jupiter
Ceres trine vertex
Ceres conjunct Demeter
Ceres square amor
Demeter sesquidrate moon
Demeter conjunct venus
Demeter square Jupiter
Demeter sextiles vertex
Demeter conjunct ceres
Demeter square amor
Demeter square karma
Demeter conjunct destinn
Demeter quincunx ASC
Amor square venus
Amor opposes mars
Amor conjuncts Jupiter
Amor semisquare north node
Amor sextiles vertex
Amor square Demeter
Amor conjunct karma
Amor square destinn

Venus, Juno, Valentine, Psyche

my venus conjuncts his sun
my venus quincunx his moon
my venus conjuncts his venus
my venus sextiles his mars
my venus sextiles his jupiter
my venus squares his ASC
his venus sextiles my moon
his venus conjuncts my venus
his venus sextiles my mars
his venus trines my Jupiter
his venus trines my north node

my juno semi squares his sun
my juno trines his north node
my juno semi squares his vertex
my juno quincunx his juno
my juno semisextiles his psyche
my juno trines his destinn
his juno biquintiles my moon
his juno quincunx my juno
his juno trine my destinn

my valentine sextiles his sun
my valentine squares his north node
my valentine trines his valentine
my valentine semi squares his psyche
my valentine squares his karma
my valentine quincunx his ASC
his valentine trines his valentines
his valentine opposes my psyche
his valentine sextiles my karma
his valentine quincunx my ASC

my psyche trines his mars
my psyche quintiles his Jupiter
my psyche sextiles his north node
my psyche opposes his valentine
my psyche sextiles karma
his psyche squares my Jupiter
his psyche conjuncts my vertex
his psyche sextiles my juno
his psyche semisquares my valentine
his psyche conjuncts my karma
his psyche sextiles my destinn

Composite
Venus square mars
Venus square Jupiter
Venus sextile vertex
Venus square karma
Venus quincunx ASC
Juno sextile vertex
Juno trine valentine
Juno trine destinn
Valentine trine moon
Valentine square mars
Valentine trine juno
Valentine conjunct destinn
Psyche sextile sun
Psyche sextile north node
Psyche conjunct karma
Psyche quintile destinn

Mars, Aphrodite, Lust, Eros

My mars sextiles his sun
my mars squares his moon
my mars sextiles his venus
my mars semisquares his mars
my mars trines his Jupiter
his mars sesquidrates my sun
his mars semisquares my mars
his mars sesquidrates my north node
his mars quincunx my Aphrodite
his mars trine my karma
his mars square my ASC

my aphrodite quincunx his mars
my aphrodite trines his north node
my aphrodite opposes his eros
my aphrodite trine his karma
my aphrodite trine his destinn
my aphrodite trine his ASC
his aphrodite square my sun
his aphrodite trine my moon
his aphrodite trine my venus
his aphrodite opposes my jupiter
his aphrodite opposes my north node
his aphrodite squares my vertex
his aphrodite quincunx my destinn
his Aphrodite sesquidrates my ASC

my lust squares his Jupiter
my lust conjunct his north node
my lust sextiles his vertex
my lust conjuncts his karma
my lust sesquidrates his destinn
my lust trines his ASC
his lust sextiles my moon
his lust trines my jupiter
his lust trines my north node
his lust sextiles my vertex
his lust squares my destinn

my eros squares his sun
my eros squares his venus
my eros biquintiles his Jupiter
my eros trines his north node
my eros opposes his vertex
my eros trine his karma
my eros conjuncts his ASC
his eros sesquidrates my venus
his eros opposes my Aphrodite
his eros quincunx my karma
his eros sextiles my ASC

Composite
Mars square venus
Mars opposes Jupiter
Mars biquintile moon
Mars square sun
Mars quintile Aphrodite
Mars square destinn
Mars sextile ASC
Aphrodite quintile mars
Aphrodite quincunx north node
Aphrodite quintile vertex
Aphrodite square karma
Aphrodite square lust
Lust sextile moon
Lust square Aphrodite
Lust opposes eros
Eros trine moon
Eros opposes vertex
Eros opposes lust
Eros trine destinn
Eros sextile ASC

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