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Topic: Narcissus and Echo—The Painful Mirror
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Astro keen unregistered
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posted November 25, 2013 06:57 PM
Hi Ami Anne,What if my Narcissus is conjunct his Saturn and his Nar is conjunct my North Node? Would we act as mirrors for each other - help each other to face up to our innermost fears, for example? His Echo trines my Moon exact, if that is of any help. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 25, 2013 07:36 PM
Ami, any thoughts on what this means.... Echo aries@10.25/DC aries@8.44 Pluto libra@11.05/AC libra@8.44 Neptune saggy@11.07 3rd Narcissis saggy@21.48, is on Siva saggy@22.45 in my 3rd house IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 9778 From: Death Star Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 26, 2013 11:38 AM
I just found out my Narcissus is in the 4th house conjunct IC :/ And Echo is in the 9th conjunct my Hestia-Vesta conjunction. That even makes sense ------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
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posted February 26, 2015 04:40 PM
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 26, 2015 06:31 PM
What was your question, my Friend?------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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posted February 26, 2015 09:58 PM
Copied from above:What if my Narcissus is conjunct his Saturn and his Nar is conjunct my North Node? Would we act as mirrors for each other - help each other to face up to our innermost fears, for example? His Echo trines my Moon exact, if that is of any help. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 26, 2015 10:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Copied from above:What if my Narcissus is conjunct his Saturn and his Nar is conjunct my North Node? Would we act as mirrors for each other - help each other to face up to our innermost fears, for example? His Echo trines my Moon exact, if that is of any help.
I am really not sure, AK. This would take a lot of thought, time and the whole charts to answer. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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posted February 26, 2015 11:16 PM
That's Ok, Ami Anne. Mine was a wild guess based upon your initial posts .IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 26, 2015 11:23 PM
Thank you, AK!Narc is a complex asteroid and may not be what it seems. I cannot feel it out that well. It seems like it confers confidence when it is conj the NN and ASC and not what one may think i.e narcissim in a bad sense. I can feel out Echo and this is not good because it is the voiceless co-dependent. However, for YOUR chart, it would be a real study to answer your questions. Thanks for understanding xxx ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted March 27, 2015 12:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Narc is a complex asteroid anad may not be what it seems.I cannot feel it out that well. It seems like it confers confidence when it is conj the NN and ASC and not what one may think i.e narcissim in a bad sense.
Would it also bestow confidence if Narcissus is conjunct GC? (Narcissus conjunct Eros conjunct GC exact; All three conjunct Mercury within 2 degrees)
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PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted March 27, 2015 12:28 PM
Same chart with 1H Echo square Neptune exactIP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 27, 2015 02:44 PM
I don't know, PS. I have to do enough charts with these placements in order to form conclusions.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 27, 2015 09:30 PM
Certain asteroids are VERY different with what they conjunct.Deja conj Pluto makes for a person who hates bullying and will stand up against it. I have this. Deja conj the Moon fragments the person. Narcissus and Mercury may be a hard place, whereas Narcissus conj the Sun, ASC or NN may be a place that gives confidence. What do YOU think? ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted March 28, 2015 06:03 PM
Thanks, Ami What do I think? I think I don't have enough chart experience to really know how each conjunction affects each asteroid differently. I understand how they can be expressed differently depending on each placement. I've seen Narcissus conjunct Jupiter. Your idea of confidence for this asteroid, I think , would be considered obnoxious here. But the same natal has Echo conjunct moon so it seems to balance out. The conjunction of Narcissus & Mercury on GC is also conjunct asteroid Angel. I think it needs to recognize self in order to express. IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted March 28, 2015 06:08 PM
It is interesting to note that when both of these asteroids are prominent in the same natal chart there seems to be a theme of codependency in every relationship, regardless of the other persons's natal. Have you noticed this? IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Knowflake Posts: 3925 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted March 29, 2015 07:42 AM
I really connect to the story of Narcissus and Echo. I feel I have been both, depending on the relationship.Ami, your descriptions are great, and in-depth. Simply, I see Narcissus as self-obsession and Echo as other-obsession. You have defined the reasons why. I've found, and seen this dynamic in many real-life relationships. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 29, 2015 07:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor: It is interesting to note that when both of these asteroids are prominent in the same natal chart there seems to be a theme of codependency in every relationship, regardless of the other persons's natal. Have you noticed this?
What do you mean, PS? I am not understanding your question.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 29, 2015 07:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer: I really connect to the story of Narcissus and Echo. I feel I have been both, depending on the relationship.Ami, your descriptions are great, and in-depth. Simply, I see Narcissus as self-obsession and Echo as other-obsession. You have defined the reasons why. I've found, and seen this dynamic in many real-life relationships.
Thank you, V. You have to try to stick to the myths as much as you can and to try to make it practical, which can be very hard in some of the more convoluted myths lol
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PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted March 29, 2015 08:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: What do you mean, PS? I am not understanding your question.
When Narcissus and Echo are activated by synastry there is a codependency dynamic that plays out in the relationship. I have seen this issue even without the synastry connection because one of the natal charts has a prominent placement of both these asteroids in their own chart. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7831 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted August 13, 2015 11:52 AM
Ami,I got to tell you, girlfriend, your observations and intuitions about certain aspects, asteroids or planets have always been right on point even if initially I might have doubted it. You also do not go along with the mainstream and have your own interpretations, which are unique but correct. So, here I am reading about Narcissus asteroid, most people say - yeah, if it conjuncts a major planet , it makes them narcissist, self love is prevalent... I saw the chart of a friend of mine, and his Narcissus asteroid conjuncts his Sun exactly ( and opposes his Saturn by 3 degree). I thought - hmm, I don't think he is a narcissist, not at the least. He does says that he is fine with himself despite his flaws but he doesn't appear to be in love with himself. In fact, there were a few comments made by him that left me with the impression he thought he was ugly and hideous. Then I read your post here, which is completely opposite of what everyone was saying about narcissus, and it hit the nails in the head exactly! quote: By AmiAnne: When one sees Narcissus looking in the pool, admiring his own reflection, one thinks he believes he is beautiful. He does NOT. He believes he is so ugly and heinous that he can’t stop looking for the glimpse of goodness. Yet, he does not find it. THIS is his tragedy.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted August 13, 2015 02:57 PM
Thanks, Orange. You are, always, such a bud. Anything I write about I have lived, for better or worse!------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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3l3n Knowflake Posts: 971 From: Registered: Nov 2014
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posted August 13, 2015 05:01 PM
Narcissus conjuct Psyche/Eros conjuction in the 7th. I have a faint idea of what Eros/Psyche symbolize, but with Narcissus also there in exact conjuction 29deg.. No clueIP: Logged |
Aurora_girl1990 Knowflake Posts: 1582 From: kuala lumpur,malaysia Registered: Feb 2013
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posted August 14, 2015 07:29 AM
what about Narcissus conjunct sun (orb 4) and echo opposite sun(orb 2) in synastry?What would that mean Ami? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted August 14, 2015 08:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aurora_girl1990: what about Narcissus conjunct sun (orb 4) and echo opposite sun(orb 2) in synastry?What would that mean Ami?
4 is too wide an orb. Narcissus can be good in some aspects and bad in others ime Conj the Sun and ASC and NN, it seems to give confidence. Conjunct the Moon and Venus, it seems to be a negative placement ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 74088 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted August 14, 2015 08:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by 3l3n: Narcissus conjuct Psyche/Eros conjuction in the 7th. I have a faint idea of what Eros/Psyche symbolize, but with Narcissus also there in exact conjuction 29deg.. No clue
Asteroids conj Asteroids are not that significant. I would need to see the whole chart, in order to comment.
Look for asteroids conjunct PERSONAL parts of the chart such as ASC, Sun, Moon etc
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