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Topic: Mahalingam - a Vedic asteroid.
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Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 08, 2014 01:42 PM
Mahalingam 18104 Discovered on July 3, 2000 by the Lincoln Laboratory Asteroid research Team. The name refers to Shiva or Shiv-lingam. "Shiva" itself means Pure. Meanings: liṅgaṃ, meaning "mark", "sign", or "inference" is a representation of the Hindu deity Shiva used for worship in temples. In traditional Indian society, the linga is rather seen as a symbol of the energy and potentiality of the God. (Wiki) It has various meanings and much discussion abounds as to its precise meaning. The original use in the ancient texts describe it as the "beginning-less and endless cosmic pillar of fire, the cause of all causes. Lord Shiva is pictured as emerging from the Lingam – the cosmic pillar of fire, symbolizing the infinite nature of Shiva. Some later use has taken the pillar to represent a phallic symbol (which shocked the early British), but that is refuted by some Indian scholars. There are many temples in India which include Mahalingam in their name. I found it conjunct a bunch of Vedic asteroids in my chart: In Cap, house 6 Ramachandran 21.14 Soma 21.32 Anand 22.15 Mahakala 22°21 Mahalingam 23.57 Its sabian is: a woman entering a convent. KEYNOTE: Total commitment to a transcendent goal. Interesting!! So far so good. Then looked it up in synastry. Firstly, it is exactly conjunct the SM's Uranus in the 9th. A Uranus in 9th person is said to believe in freedom of beliefs, religion and liberty in their way of life. That is indeed true of him and is key to his persona. Mahalingam could be marking a point that is of key significance or a key spiritual place - where the person has potential to achieve godliness. It forms many synastry aspects both ways, the most significant appears to be Mahalingam opposite Valentine DW. IQ has said that Shiva in synastry may indicate a tantrik love relationship in a past lifetime - that is indicated elsewhere in our synastry too. It is conjunct my son's Asc. The "potentiality of God" sounds great here . Siva asteroids include: Rudra 2629 Shankar 22817 SIVA 1170 Mahakala 10819 Was wondering if Mahalingam forms aspects with KAALi as Rudra or Siva do in natal or synastry? IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 4166 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted July 08, 2014 06:15 PM
I don't really understand all the Vedic asteroids, they are the same but different? It's confusing! I don't have anything like you...those are some tight conjunctions you have, what do they mean?This is what I found... Sun saggy@4.28 Soma aqua@5.03 Uranus scorp@4.44 Ramachandran pisces@4.33 Tara virgo@5.49 Records virgo@4.43 Hypnos virgo@4.44 Sphinx virgo@7 Quaoar scorp@7.49 Mahakala virgo@7.55 Samadhi scorp@8.27 Shankar leo@11.58 Neptune saggy@11 Spirit aqua@12.06 Krishnan scorp@11.15 Juno virgo@12.30
Rudra cap@16.28 Nada scorp@17.31 Hara scorp@17.38 Moon virgo@18.32 Siva saggy@22.48 P of Fortune saggy@21.12 NN scorp@21.44 Anand scorp@23.02 Vishnu cap@25.26 Parvarti saggy@0.58 Mahalingam scorp@ 28°59 Union scorp@29. Aphrodite scorp@29 Soulie saggy@0 Cydonia saggy@1 Kaali scorp@2.15 Hanuman virgo@1.10 Mars gemini@29.33 IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 08, 2014 08:02 PM
Wow! Gabby, you have Mahalingam conjunct other spiritual asteroids. That only goes to show the significance of this asteroid. It is in Union with Parvati, showing a balancing of male and female energies.I like the meaning of "potentiality of God" when it relates to planets. It brings out the best qualities of that planet or sign. The higher octave of Scorpio/Pluto is the Phoenix bird. Do you see that in yourself? You rose from the ashes, didn't you - as was suggested in another thread. This is underlined by the presence of Mahalingam and Parvati - offering protection and certain passage. I like this! Yes, there are 5 asteroids relating to Shiva - which could by their placement denote somewhat different meanings. Would like to ask iQ if there are different meanings. Generally these relate to Kundalini and tantrik practices. According to Mythology, Shiva was an ascetic, who spent years in meditation - a Yogi who lived an ascetic life on Mount Kailash, as well as a householder with wife Parvati and his two children. Ganesh was his son. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 4166 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted July 08, 2014 08:17 PM
I don't have a clue about these....I love your description and thanks for explaining the meanings. I definitely see the Phoenix rising from the ashes! Which is the asteroid that shows that? If I think of more I'll post them...I know Vibhuti and Vishnu are exactly opposed cap/cancer@25 Horus cancer@25 Yeshuhua/Babylon scorp@25 Aura cancer@27 Gaea cancer@27 IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 08, 2014 08:25 PM
Parvati, Union, Mahalingam at the same spot could have the same significance as other soulmate pairs - Kaali/Rudra, and Isis/Osiris. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 4166 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted July 08, 2014 08:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Parvati, Union, Mahalingam at the same spot could have the same significance as other soulmate pairs - Kaali/Rudra, and Isis/Osiris.
I'll have to go read about what it means to have soulmate pairs in the natal...I didn't realize I had any, that's cool! My TF has Neptune exactly on my Parvarti and his Parvarti is aries@0 Hmmm....his Maghalingam is taurus@3.03 exactly on his Sun taurus@3.39 its inconjunct my Parvarti(not tight) and it's opposed my Kaali scorp@2.14 His Soma cancer @2.48
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 4166 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted July 08, 2014 08:56 PM
Do these relate? Indra Surya Agni Vayu Varuna Mitra Aditi Yama Soma Saraswati Prithvi
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florence Knowflake Posts: 318 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 09, 2014 04:15 AM
In my natal it's conjunct Lilith .. The astro one.Does anyone know what this would mean? I don't feel as much resonance with Vedic but still they do seem very apt. IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 09, 2014 02:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Do these relate? Indra Surya Agni Vayu Varuna Mitra Aditi Yama Soma Saraswati Prithvi
I intend to put together a reference thread for Vedic asteroids. They get asked about quite a lot. And lots has been written too to provide rich pickings. Re the ones above: INDRA - king of heaven (not unlike Zeus) SURYA - Sun AGNI - Fire VAYU - Wind VARUNA - god of all forms of the water element, particularly the oceans. (Like Poseidon) MITRA - friend; also a deity featuring in Rig-Veda, an ancient Indian text. ADITI - In the Vedas (ancient Indian works), Aditi (meaning: limitless) is mother of the gods and all twelve zodiacal spirits from whose cosmic matrix the heavenly bodies were born. As celestial mother of every existing form and being, the synthesis of all things, she is associated with space (akasa) and with mystic speech (Vāc). She may be seen as a feminized form of Brahma. (Wiki) Much more has been written about her. She also signifies being free, unbound and highly creative. I do like the sound of her. The Wiki article is quite comprehensive. YAMA - God of death SOMA - The Vedic version of Ambrosia. Drinking Soma produces a state of bliss (Ananda) and immortality. SARASWATI - Goddess of knowledge, music, arts, wisdom and nature. She is a part of the trinity of Saraswati, Lakshmi and Parvati. She is the consort of Brahma - one of the holy trinity - the others being Siva and Vishnu. PRITHVI - Earth Gabby where is this list from? The only asteroids I found were for ADITI - a new one, and we also know of SOMA and VARUNA. ADITI is conjunct DESTINN in my chart. Nice . IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 4166 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted July 09, 2014 05:04 PM
Your post and my complete lack of knowledge led me to try to figure who is who and who is from which God and what they mean......these were some that didn't seem to be directly related to Shiva or Kaali so I wondered how they fit in.IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 4166 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted July 09, 2014 05:13 PM
I don't know why I thought is seen a Mitra and Indra asteroid listed somewhere....probably just read about them and I'm getting them confused.IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 10, 2014 04:01 PM
Adding an explanation about the main figures in Hindu mythology/religious texts. Only the names in bold have asteroids.:The Universal soul (God) has three aspects: Brahman (creator), Vishnu (preserver) and Siva (destroyer). Each of these has a female principle or consort. So we have the following pairs: Siva + Parvati Brahman + Saraswati Vishnu + Lakshmi Vishnu, the preserver, took many incarnations on Earth in order to liberate humans from evil. Of these, Ramachandran (or Rama) and Krishnan (or Krishna) are the most recent. Ramachandran was a prince who was married to Sita. They were a model loyal and loving couple. Siva, incidentally, has many names or forms. As does Parvati. Asteroids for Siva -- Siva, Rudra, Mahakala, Shankar, Hara, Mahalingam Asteroids for Parvati -- Parvati, Kaali, Tara These are interchangeable. However, Kaali expresses the more fierce aspects, whilst Parvati and Tara are the gentler, more compassionate forms. See list of numbers and asteroids a couple pf posts below. IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 10, 2014 04:36 PM
Gabby, firstly thanks for mentioning Aditi (4401). A new one for me.I was pleased to find it on my Destinn. If Aditi means the unbound, free and creative one, then that is a good destiny. According to Wiki - she is the mother of the gods of heaven. The ancient text, the Rig Veda, ascribes her with many attributes: * A mothering presence - Aditi is often asked to guard the one who petitions her, or to provide him or her with wealth, safety, and abundance." * Freedom - she is un-bound, free one, and it is evident in the hymns to her that she is often called to free the petitioner from different hindrances, especially sin and sickness. * Creativity - Aditi can be defined as the cosmic creatrix, the creativity of the all-creating. * Might - Aditi was regarded as both the sky goddess, and earth goddess, which is very rare for a prehistoric civilization. Here is another interpretation by an astrologer: "Aditi is the exalted symbol of the supreme consciousness of the Divine Mother, and as such often seems to present supreme challenges to the expression of the energies of whatever other ‘planets’ she relates to in the horoscope." from http://yinyangastrologer.com/astrology-2/asteroids/yin-yang-astrology-in-practice -dyad-pairs/ Mark Holmes, however, sees Aditi as something much more sinister - "as empty, emptied out, having nothing, reduced to nothingness" - and he quotes examples of people with prominent Aditi aspects whose lives were wasted or ended horribly. Ugh! http://markandrewholmes.com/aditi.html Given the meanings above, it seems very odd for an astrologer to attribute such negative meanings to Aditi. Would you look up where Aditi is in your chart and see if any of the above make sense to you. Could anyone else also see if they can derive any of the meanings from their placements? IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 259 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 11, 2014 10:07 AM
I think I have pretty good placements for Vedic asteroids so I checked out Mahalingam and Aditi.... My is at 5 49 Gemini Cj Karma 3 11 Gemini Sextiles Siva 6 30 and Soma 5 15 leo Semi-sextiles my Kaali 2 59 and parvati 4 27 Taurus conjunction Trines Uranus 4 57 and Isis 8 47 libra Squares my Nodes 3 41 pisces/Virgo qc my Aditi 7 50 ScorpioIn synastry... His Mahalingam 5 42 Aqua trines mine at 5 49 Gemini almost exact Trines my uranus 4 57 Libra (his karma is cj here at 4 53 Libra) and my Karma 3 11 Gemini DW Oppose Siva 6 31 leo and Soma 5 15 leo DW Sq my Kaali 2 50/Parvati 4 28 conjunction DW Semisextiles and qc my Nodes 3 41 pisces Trines my isis 8 47 Libra DW qc my destinn 6 34 Cancer DW His Aditi 4 19 cap cj his Sun 4 18 Cap Qc my Mahalingam and karma Trines Kaali and parvati Opposes Destinn Sextiles NN Qc Siva and Soma My Mahalingam 5 49 Gemini Cj his Soma 6 01and isis 7 59 Gemini DW Trines his Venus 4 51 Aqua Trines his Karma 4 54 DW and Horus 7 10 Libra Sq his Parvati 3 21 pisces DW Sextiles his osiris 7 13 Aries Trines his Destinn 7 58 Libra DW My Aditi 7 50 Scorpio Sextiles his Sun 4 18 Cap Sq his mahalingam 5 42 Aqua Qc his Soma 6 01and isis 7 59 Gemini and osiris 7 59 Aries Semisextiles Karma 4 54 Horus 7 10 and Destinn 7 58 Libra
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Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
Karmic Moon, This is great info . Mahalingam is certainly prominent in your synastry - the exact trine is remarkable. Am I correct in assuming that you also tried the other Shiva asteroids and they didn't form close aspects? You may have shared a past life in India where you practised yoga or tantra. Some of the aspects may be a little wide. I tend to pay attention only to very close aspects with asteroids - up to 15% in the astro.com, unless there's a DW, or it becomes confusing. His Mahalingam square your Parvati is significant and as important as Shiva/Parvati or Shiva/Kaali. Do you have other soulmate pairings too? Also Aditi conjunct his Sun. Wow! Do you see any of the meanings of Aditi resonating with Aditi cj Sun in his case?
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KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 259 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 11, 2014 12:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Karmic Moon, This is great info . Mahalingam is certainly prominent in your synastry - the exact trine is remarkable. Am I correct in assuming that you also tried the other Shiva asteroids and they didn't form close aspects? You may have shared a past life in India where you practised yoga or tantra. I tend to pay attention only to very close aspects with asteroids - up to 15% in the astro.com, unless there's a DW, or it becomes confusing. For example, his Mahalingam square your Parvati, in my view, is significant and as important as Shiva/Parvati or Shiva/Kaali. Do you have other soulmate pairings too? Also Aditi conjunct his Sun. Wow! Do you see any of the meanings of Aditi resonating with Aditi cj Sun in his case? My son has this placement, whilst Mahalingham is conjunct this Asc.
We have quite a few Vedic aspects in synastry. I'm pretty confident of a past life there. I use Siva, Rudra and now Mahalingam. I haven't tried the others yet. There are others on this page I have yet to try. Besides our mahalingam's trining our Rudra's square each other and our Kaali's square each other. I didnt see before his Rudra 10 33 Scorp cj my Aditi 7 50 Scorpio. I usually use a max 3 orb unless Sun/Moon/ASC then 4. Is that too wide? Here are some I have found already... Vedic him to me natal Siva 1 16 Aqua sq Kaali 2 59 Taurus and Parvati 4 28 Taurus(his nodes are at 1 01 Virgo, my Nodes 3 41 Pisces, his karma 4 54 Libra, my karma 3 12 Gemini) Parvati 3 21 Pisces cj NN 3 41 Pisces Parvati sextile Parvati 4 28 Taurus Parvati sextile Kaali 2 59 Taurus Parvati sq Karma 3 12 Gemini NN 1 01 Virgo trine Kaali 2 59 Taurus (trine SN) Kaali 10 18 Sag trine Rudra 12 18 Leo Siva 1 16 Aqua trine Karma 3 12 Gemini Rama 21 13 Leo trine Sita 24 12 Sag Angel 8 44 Scorpio trine Kama 9 59 Cancer Kama 18 20 Pisces cj DSC 17 58 Pisces Kama sextile Saturn 19 49 Taurus Chiron 9 24 Taurus sextile Kama 9 59 Cancer Destinn 7 58 Libra sq Kama 9 59 Cancer Grand trine: Sun 4 19 Cap trine Kaali 2 59 and Parvati 4 28 Taurus trine SN 3 41/NN 1 01 Virgo Venus 4 51 Aqua sq Kaali 2 59 Taurus Venus 4 51 Aqua opp Siva 6 31 Leo Venus sq Parvati 4 28 Taurus Samadhi 11 26 Sag sq Kama 9 59 Cancer Soma 6 01 Gemini sextile Siva 6 31 and Soma 5 15 Leo Samadhi 19 38 Gemini sq Kama 18 20 Pisces Karma 4 54 Libra sextile Soma 5 15 Leo Venus 4 51 Aqua opp Soma 5 15 Leo Rudra 10 33 Scorpio sq Rudra 12 18 Leo My Juno 1 00 cj my Kaali 2 59 cj his Vesta 3 07 cj my Parvati 4 28 Taurus trine our Nodes 1 01 and 3 41 Virgo trine his Sun 4 19 Cap Kaali 10 18 Sag sq Moon 10 46 Virgo and Vesta 8 57 Virgo Kaali sextile Lust 9 33 Aqua Union 1 13 Scorpio opp Kaali 2 59 Taurus We have quite a few mythological pairings. I have about 23 right now. I use that term because some aren't strictly "soulmate" pairings but couples/family that occur in mythology together. I will have to update now with the new ones. Here are the vedic mythological pairings and aspects.... His Siva 1 16 Aqua sq my Kaali 2 59/Parvati 4 28 Taurus cj His Siva qc and ss our Nodal cj 1 01 and 3 41 Virgo/Pisces My Kaali/Parvati trine and sextile our Nodal cj His Siva 1 16 Aqua trines my karma 3 12 Gemini/my Kaali qc his karma 4 54 Libra His Agapenor 2 15 Scorpio oppose my Kaali/Parvati/my Agapenor 3 50 Cap ss his Siva His Kaali 10 18 Sag trine my Rudra 12 18 Leo His Lust 9 07 Scorpio trine my Rudra 12 18 Leo/my Lust 9 33 Aqua sextile his Kaali 10 18 Sag His Eros 12 35 Pisces qc my Rudr 12 18 Leo/my Eros 9 08 Cap ss his Kaali 10 18 Sag His Abundantia 10 30 Aries trine my Rudra 12 18 Leo/my Abundantia 9 51 Aqua sextile his Kaali His Rama 21 13 Leo trine my Sita 24 12 Sag His DNA 24 27 Sag cj my Sita 24 12 Sag/my DNA 23 30 Leo cj his Rama 21 13 Leo I just added a list of the mythological pairings and aspects on my thread Soulmates and Reincarnation if you are interested in the rest. I realize it is tedious reading. I will have to read more about Aditi. That is a close aspect with his Sun. I didn't resonate with the negative interpretation of it. Thanks for the Yin Yang Astrology article. I will read that when I get time, it looks very interesting. I wonder if you or Gabby have the numbers for some of these? My laptop is down and I can get that file to fully load on my Ipad. Thanks! IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 11, 2014 12:22 PM
KM, Very quickly - 3 is too wide. Up to 2, at the very most, for asteroids. And maybe up to 3 for luminaries angles. Then only in double whammies. I keep up to 2 for Lum/angles. Needless to say, exact aspects are key. I have posted a list of numbers below. There may be a couple missing. If anyone thinks others might be relevant then please let me know. I think the reason why there are so many of these sitting at 22 degrees in my chart is to indicate their relatedness . IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 11, 2014 04:08 PM
Incarnations of VISHNU Vishnu 4034 Krishnan 22533 Gopalan 7754 – another name for Krishna Balakrishnan 16116 - the child Krishna Ramakrishna - 25468 Ramachandran 20851 Raman 55753 – also Rama Sita 244 – wife of RamaNames of Vishnu used in South India Padmanabhan 21575 Srinivasan 21748 Venkateswaran 28438 - 4034, 22533, 7754, 16116, 25468, 20851, 55753, 244, 21575, 21748, 28438 ------------- ----------- ---------------- ------------ SIVA / PARVATI Parvati 2847 Kaali 4227 Tara 5863 Siva 1170 Rudra 2629 Mahakala 10819 Shankar 22817 Mahalingam 18104 Hara 4640 2847, 4227, 5863, 1170, 2629, 10819, 22817, 18104, 4640 ---------------- ------------------- ----------------- --------------- Aditi - 4401 Anand 23323 - joy, spiritual bliss Garuda 2307 - a bird, mount of Vishnu, related to kundalini awakening Ganesa, 2415 - son of Siva and Parvati Hanuman 2211 - popular Hindu deity, follower of Rama, protector from harm Nada 4106,
- divine music, sound heard when kundalini activated Soma 2815
- drink that confers bliss, immortality Samadhi 12472 - enlightenment, nirvana, spiritual ecstasy Vibhuti 25290 - sacred ash; valuable Kama 1387 - sexual/sensual desires 4401, 23323, 2307, 2415, 2211, 4106,
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Keela Knowflake Posts: 521 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted July 14, 2014 01:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Parvati, Union, Mahalingam at the same spot could have the same significance as other soulmate pairs - Kaali/Rudra, and Isis/Osiris.
I'm surprised you've left out Ramakrishna for Vishnu, when TWO of his avatar names are in it. I've used Ramakrishna or maybe Raman for Rama, Ramachandran seeming a lesser option to me although it'll probably work to many, depending on how their charts look. The link below also has Jovian's talk about Balakrishnan for you to check. I already gave you the earlier Mahalingam link on your other post. There's also 20837 for Ramanlal, if lal means beloved? I haven't checked if Parvati and Mahalingam always move closely together (ŕ la the previously discussed Horus-Echnaton & Spirit-Santorini and such) but have mine conjunct at 5 Libra next to 6 Libra's Sekhmet-Athena and more.
Libra 5's Sabian: "A Man Watches His Ideals Taking A Concrete Form Before His Inner Vision 6.53 Leo ASC has 2211 Hanuman a bit before it but from what I recall as the closest asteroid conjunction to it. My first thread or post here was about Hanuman. IQ notes there that "Hanumana is one of the Multi-Dimensional Aspects of Siva" and even some Wiki-pages bring up Hanuman and Shiva connections in minor ways, so while Hanuman is mostly said to be without a partner (on the later or Indian sides at least) a connection to the asteroid obviously brings the rest of the pantheon into play. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001426.html Hanuman right before ASC is joined by Mahakala-Siwa at 8 Leo maybe some ~1,5 conjunct ASC. Tara-Ganesa are both at 9 Leo. So on top of the Hanuman-ASC I have Mahakala conjunct Tara-Ganesa AND Parvati-Mahalingam 1-1,5 sextile ASC. I've already previously mentioned to you the patterns my Vedic asteroids make with the solstice points.
Kaali antiscia conj Garuda and (contrascia?) ~1 opposite 23 Lib Rudra Siva antiscia opp Tara-Ganesa (+Mahakala) Drac Siva conj Parvati's antiscion 24 Pis Drac Parvati conj Siva's antiscion 9 Aqu opp Tara-Ganesa Drac Rudra 1 opp Sun Drac Shankar-Alma conj nSiva Drac Tara-Ganesa opp Shankar's antiscion Basically, they ALL connect, one way or another. Kaali to Rudra, Siva to Parvati and Tara, Tara to Shankar as well. It's not obvious at first but underlining crisscrossing doesn't leave anything out. Not sure what it (or the Hanuman) would say of a possible future partner but at the very least they'd need to be as interesting and have such contacts to me. Satie 1 opp Vishnu (on AVX-VX angle) Drac Vishnu conj 21 Aries Garuda 27 Virgo Samadhi-Hara conj 28 Vir Krishnan-Nada square 29.01 Sag Soma and 1-2 square 26 Gem Gopalan-Church-Horus-Artemis-Moriarty-Beer 4 Can Aura-Vibhuti-Goode's antiscion is 1 from Gopalan etc. 1 Sco Kama conj Union (antiscia opp Sun) Aditi 11.59 Sag is ~1,5 conj drac ASC and thus conjunct drac Mahakala. Welcome to "I told you everything is connected". 4486 Mithra (Mine 15.06 Gem) IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 14, 2014 02:17 PM
This is FUN! quote: I'm surprised you've left out Ramakrishna for Vishnu, when TWO of his avatar names are in it. I've used Ramakrishna or maybe Raman for Rama, Ramachandran seeming a lesser option to me although it'll probably work to many, depending on how their charts look. The link below also has Jovian's talk about Balakrishnan for you to check. I already gave you the earlier Mahalingam link on your other post.
Yes, was wondering about Ramakrishna as he is also the name of a very well known Indian mystic. He was Swami Vivekanand's Guru. Given that connection, I wondered if he could be considered as a Vishnu incarnation. But this is a spurious argument. A famous mystic is spiritual enough and would do just as well. Thank you for Balakrishnan (meaning child Krishna) - is a new one for me. Checked its placement and it is EXACT on my Asc. Not only that, it is also conjunct my SM's Asc. How weird! It is these synchronicities that draw attention to the significance of these asteroids. The list grows! I wonder if it means that we are in the early stages of our spiritual growth. Or two innocents abroad, maybe? Balakrishna - 13.44 Leo Asc - 13.49 Leo Re Raman/ Ramachandran. I had initially thought that Ramachnadran was more relevant for me. My test - it was one of the group around 22 degrees - which is the case for nearly all of my Vedic asteroids. Capricorn Ramachandran - 21.14 Soma - 21.32 Anand - 22.15 Mahakala - 22°21 Mahalingam - 23.57 Rudra - 22°24' Taurus Garuda - 22.37 Cancer Hara - 21° 4' Sco Hanuman - 23.16 Sag Tara - 22°19 Leo Krishan - 23.19 Leo BUT Shiva and Shankar at 27 degrees in two Earth signs. RAMAN, however, is conjunct my SM's Sun and my Asc. This sounds good. Rama was a righteous and loyal man. A synastry contact such as this could mean that the partner would be loyal and not cheat. This is echoed by our Penelope/Sun DW. quote: Not sure what it (or the Hanuman) would say of a possible future partner but at the very least they'd need to be as interesting and have such contacts to me.
At the very least ! Had read the Wiki article which says that Hanuman is considered to be an incarnation of Shiva by some. He was definitely a bachelor though, who was dedicated to Rama. Will look at your placements in more detail. You have a strong Vedic theme in your chart - linked to past lives in India, and/or kundalini activation no doubt . IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 14, 2014 03:24 PM
Keela,One often sees, as in yours and my Vedic asteroids, a 1 degree conjunction between similar meaning asteroids. This indicates that conjunctions of around 1 degree are OK and valid when taking asteroids aspects into account. Also, themes become very evident when looking at the asteroids at a particular degree in a chart. Raman, for example, is at 4.24, which relates to these at 4 degrees in other signs. Veritas - Virgo 4.23 Moldavia - Sco 4.13 Horus - Sag 4.25 Hermes - Cap 4.15 Raman - Aries 4.24 Ubuntu - Gem 3.54 Logos - Can 4.14 So, spirituality, righteousness, truth, kindness, humanity. IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 521 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted July 14, 2014 03:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Yes, was wondering about Ramakrishna as he is also the name of a very well known Indian mystic. He was Swami Vivekanand's Guru. Given that connection, I wondered if he could be considered as a Vishnu incarnation. But this is a spurious argument. A famous mystic is spiritual enough and would do just as well.Thank you for Balakrishnan (meaning child Krishna) - is a new one for me. Checked its placement and it is EXACT on my Asc. Not only that, it is also conjunct my SM's Asc. How weird! It is these synchronicities that draw attention to the significance of these asteroids. The list grows! I wonder if it means that we are in the early stages of our spiritual growth. Or two innocents abroad, maybe? Had read the Wiki article which says that Hanuman is considered to be an incarnation of Shiva by some. He was definitely a bachelor though, who was dedicated to Rama. Will look at your placements in more detail. You have a strong Vedic theme in your chart - linked to past lives in India, and/or kundalini activation no doubt .
As said in the Hanuman thread linked to, I'm aware of the more "earthly" or more recent Ramakrishna but as said, that's the one that flares up with my parents for synastry. I refrained from linking to my Hara-post but discussed some more Vedic-Indian style features in my family (to grandparent level) in that. Nothing conclusive said and no particular aspect-insights from IQ, just some of how it all figures in the family or lineage patterns. Also of how have no idea why the Indian themes would figure strongly if there isn't a blood or heritage link or any interest in (or probably even knowledge of) Hinduism before these recent times. Yoga only reached our parts of the world (a small "town) in the 80s, and my mother didn't stick with that as a hobby long either. If there is some specific reason, it seems it's on levels beyond the physical. If Balakrishnan is for your childlike sides, what should you make of my mischief-making karma-dodging monkey god? ;P Getting away with tons, getting tons of gifts from the other gods, not a bad thing at all if you ask me. The Hanuman-link was also used because there's talk of the Sri Lankan (from what I recall) side having myths or talk of Hanuman falling for a mermaid called Suvannamacha. His devotion is to Rama (and Sita) and Rama's love with Sita, nothing wrong with that, but from what I recall I had some "monument" from Sri Lanka conjunct my Chiron and trine Sun as well as Serendip-Indiana conjunct Atlantis. Not India, but Serendip-Archaeopteryx-Indiana conjunct Atlantis for a Hanuman person seems interesting with the watery sides. Serendip's the Persian and Urdu name for Sri Lanka, but just now found out it's also a SETI-program, which makes things even MORE interesting. "Search for Extraterrestrial Radio Emissions from Nearby Developed Intelligent Populations." Discoveries like these are what make asteroid glances interesting no matter how long you've known about something. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Princes_of_Serendip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SERENDIP Oh, and thank you if you look at my placements. My approach mostly seems to be that if I'm supposed to know about something, sooner or later it'll show up or get told to me. Don't know about past lives, at least with India, so we'll see. I figure there's been enough years to have dropped by there as well though. ;P IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 521 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted July 14, 2014 05:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Also, themes become very evident when looking at the asteroids at a particular degree in a chart. Raman, for example, is at 4.24, which relates to these at 4 degrees in other signs.So, spirituality, righteousness, truth, kindness, humanity.
I see Serendip is "adopted from Sanskrit Suvarnadweepa or golden island" so while I don't know the languages of Sri Lanka and reading Wiki's Suvannamaccha (or Suvarnamaccha) page I see the myth was popular on the Thai side, it'd be interesting to see how the name similarities work with her name meaning "golden mermaid". Same source. Makes you wonder if Serendip works for Suvannamaccha contacts as well, with there being no asteroid for her when I last checked. I liked their story when first read it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvannamaccha My Raman is at 19.13 Leo and while it's trine my Vertex (and Vishnu), it doesn't seem to be doing much in my own chart. It eventually may in synastry but don't know. Ramachandran 10.21 R Pisces conjunct Pholus opposite Destinn. Ramakrishna on the other hand is on my Pluto at 7 Libra, near the 5 Libra Mahalingam and Parvati. Possibly a part of why the Hindu-gods and such figure, too, the contact being Pluto instead of something less weighty. Venus conjunct Kaali by ~1,5 is the only other planetary contact I remember, so the ASC, VX and then those are it. Sita's 1 square Mars, opposite Fomalhaut. Out of curiosity, I have to ask though if your Raman is at 4 Virgo since my Sita is at 3.28 Virgo. The contact would figure given our discussions. Sorry, misread that, yours is in Aries, got it. IP: Logged |
Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 2152 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 14, 2014 06:01 PM
Keela, The story of the golden mermaid is lovely. Great research! Macha means fish - and the first part of her name is shared with 'golden island' - 'Seren + dip'. A lnk, but is it enough? No connection in my chart with any of the Vedic asteroids. Given that both ancient India and Egypt were populous civilisations that spanned several thousands of years, it is no wonder that both feature as themes in many charts. Humans who've been around these parts for centuries would have had lives there too, as they would in other civilisations, e.g., Sumerian. I have all three and more. I don't like the term "old soul" as that seems to place one in an hierarchical order. Given that we get recycled endlessly, any attempt to establish seniority on the basis of who came here first is plain silly. You having had a past life/s in India is not strange. But the fact that many of the Hindu asteroids are on your Asc, must make that experience significant for this life. I'm going to list my Vishnu asteroids next. Have found another - 28438 Venkateswaran. Could you please check this in your chart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venkateswara IP: Logged |
Fionapineapple Knowflake Posts: 78 From: Hollis, New York, USA Registered: Jan 2011
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posted July 14, 2014 06:28 PM
My Mahalingam is conjunct my NN, I assume this will become very important info to me later, thanx for this thread IP: Logged | |