posted August 28, 2014 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Ahem. Sorry to disturb but I checked this asteroid and I have it on my Vertex. Should I be scared?

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posted August 28, 2014 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Ahem. Sorry to disturb but I checked this asteroid and I have it on my Vertex. Should I be scared?

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Exact. It's also square Pluto exact.

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posted August 28, 2014 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Right, but what I'm saying is that I don't think anybody actually killed anyone. Follow? Again, unless I'm mistaken, I think it's more akin to, either the partner (in your case, your husband, in mine, my Guardian Soulmate) killed someone else in response to our being harmed, or even killed.

It seems to be an 'avenging the death' of pattern.

My statement was regarding the fact that if CHIRON is not indicative of a prior victimisation, I doubt that SUN would be.

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ohhh Thank you.! My head was going in another direction so I was not absorbing this haha. I get what you are saying.

posted August 28, 2014 04:20 PM            

It does seem to be, in short, the question that Amelia is asking, and which -- honestly, I'm reticent to -- is whether or not a synastric configuration involving TISIPHONE is only indicative of a previous life event in which the other's death was avenged by the TISIPHONE individual. Again, unless I'm misunderstanding this.

Asking the question, 'did this person kill me in the past?' is always going to be a dicey prospect. I do agree, if that proves to be the case, then there must be a major outstanding karma involved.

So perhaps the greater question for you, iQ, is this:

Would TISIPHONE be present in a Murder Karma Pattern, in which one of the individuals was responsible for the death of the other?

That seems to be the point of confusion for Amelia, and, to an extent, me as well.

Granted, I never even approached the possibility that he killed me until I saw his SATURN in my 8H. While this can certainly indicate several things, chiefly, they all say the same thing: that the SATURN native could be responsible for the death of the 8H individual.

I only began to consider it might be on to something when I more thoroughly investigated the overlay and found other linkages -- such as his drTISIPHONE occupying his nSATURN position -- keeping the conjunction to drHADES, now exactly squaring his drLACHESIS, which is conjunct my drHADES. All exact.

It was the fact it creates a Cardinal Cross with his nSUN, (08ºCAN) my nTISIPHONE-LACHESIS, (09-11ºCAN) his drLACHESIS, (11ºCAP) my drHADES, (11ºCAP) his nDESTINN (07ºLIB), and his drTISIPHONE-HADES (11ºARI). To complete the Cross exactly, all within 0º10-0º30, my nSUN/SATURN MP in place of his nDESTINN -- 10º30LIB.

posted August 28, 2014 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Exact. It's also square Pluto exact.

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I'd look to see if it's configured. The fact it's exactly conjunct your VX and square PLUTO would point to a need to look at the house in which it's placed, and what it rules.

posted August 28, 2014 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I know this thread isn't about all those chicks but I checked everything and now I'm wondering...
Alecto conjunct DSC from the 7th by 2, trine the ruler under 1, quincunx Erynia under 1
Furia trine Tisiphone by 2 and square Sun by 1 minute
Megaira-Valentine-Karma-Priapus grand cross
Erynia conjunct Furia widely
If you have some idea, let me know.

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Heh. No idea, Cappy. Honestly, I'm still stuck on TISIPHONE/HADES=CHIRON and TISIPHONE/LACHESIS=SUN, so I'm not even bringing in anything else at the moment.

posted August 28, 2014 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
IQ,

It does seem to be, in short, the question that Amelia is asking, and which -- honestly, I'm reticent to -- is whether or not a synastric configuration involving TISIPHONE is [b]only indicative of a previous life event in which the other's death was avenged by the TISIPHONE individual. Again, unless I'm misunderstanding this.

Asking the question, 'did this person kill me in the past?' is always going to be a dicey prospect. I do agree, if that proves to be the case, then there must be a major outstanding karma involved.

So perhaps the greater question for you, iQ, is this:

Would TISIPHONE be present in a Murder Karma Pattern, in which one of the individuals was responsible for the death of the other?

That seems to be the point of confusion for Amelia, and, to an extent, me as well.

Granted, I never even approached the possibility that he killed me until I saw his SATURN in my 8H. While this can certainly indicate several things, chiefly, they all say the same thing: that the SATURN native could be responsible for the death of the 8H individual.

I only began to consider it might be on to something when I more thoroughly investigated the overlay and found other linkages -- such as his drTISIPHONE occupying his nSATURN position -- keeping the conjunction to drHADES, now exactly squaring his drLACHESIS, which is conjunct my drHADES. All exact.

It was the fact it creates a Cardinal Cross with his nSUN, (08ºCAN) my nTISIPHONE-LACHESIS, (09-11ºCAN) his drLACHESIS, (11ºCAP) my drHADES, (11ºCAP) his nDESTINN (07ºLIB), and his drTISIPHONE-HADES (11ºARI). To complete the Cross exactly, all within 0º10-0º30, my nSUN/SATURN MP in place of his nDESTINN -- 10º30LIB.

For him, it's clear that it's nTISIPHONE/HADES, whereas mine is nTISIPHONE/LACHESIS. The fact his is exactly conjunct my nCHIRON, while mine is conjunct his nSUN by 1º30, has been the point of confusion.[/B]

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With my soul group, people I love dearly and feel like I always have, there has been a lot of it. In general, the closer you are to someone now... the more likely the chance you were the direct or indirect cause of their death at some point, and they of yours. More likely - many times, and over and over again. There is a certain anxiousness about not having them in your life that is telling of this very very latent guilt, but maybe that's another topic.

I'm sorry if this has gotten a bit too morbid. But it is Tisiphone we're talking about.

posted August 28, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I'd look to see if it's configured. The fact it's exactly conjunct your VX and square PLUTO would point to a need to look at the house in which it's placed, and what it rules.

Even when involved in a synastry configuration, iQ is indicating it's a karmic debt or pattern regarding avenging the death of someone. So, I wouldn't worry.

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Well, if someone dear to me could be murdered then it is a reason to worry :/ Vertex is in Aqua in the 6th and Pluto is in Scoprio in the 3rd in its own house. What do you mean by configured?

posted August 28, 2014 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

Well, if someone dear to me could be murdered then it is a reason to worry :/ Vertex is in Aqua in the 6th and Pluto is in Scoprio in the 3rd in its own house. What do you mean by configured?

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TISIPHONE is never straight-up homicide. It's that which avenges murder. Rather, it's a powerful urge to avenge murder. A notion I actually grok oddly deeply.

I admit to a natural inclination to want to put a bullet into any homicidal psychopathic sadist. Given the population I've studied, or, which I found myself dealing with in my formal education ... well, target practise was quite therapeutic, and I miss it at times.

As for general murder / homicide markers, Cappy, they're fortunately about as specified. DEJANIRA sometimes, but more often PREY is prominent, and the Homicidal Axis is activated. It's argued just what that is, but it's agreed to be situated around 19º Libra / Aries, +/- 3º. But I've seen both 25º Aries / Libra active, as well, as 18º Libra.

posted August 28, 2014 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
Ant interpretation for it natally conjuncting ic exact?

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Well, florence, it's tough to say just WHAT it means yet. The IC's the seat of the soul, so it would seem that it's an issue or theme that's potentially buried quite deeply there.

posted August 28, 2014 06:14 PM            

I understand your point completely as well as share it. Death, like life, is on par with anything in the great cosmic schoolroom that's Earth. Karma, I think, stems from something unanticipated. A contract is one thing: I need to know what X is like, so I'm going to entrust X experience to someone with whom I have a strong relationship -- and who can handle it. (It's really not unlike BDSM in that fashion, which I suspect it's a bit of an Indigo endeavour.)

It's intensity in a controlled environment. Sure, the experiment can have troubling results; the hypothesis was wrong, or one of the actors was 'miscast', so to speak. Those seem relatively easily resolved.

Coming upon the knowledge that someone killed me in a former life is almost Tuesday at this point. I'd say 10% of my Facebook fits that category. Likewise, too. We never like to think we went completely off the rails, but, purely statistically speaking, as you've stated -- it's too likely.

But what's been rather imprinted upon my soul, since my teens, was 'dutiful wetworker'. I had a series of recurring dreams over a few years which detailed those 'adventures'. Cold, impersonality. The 'government assassin' type, though, I just delivered them to the agency I worked for -- and never asked questions. Ever. Interestingly, I'd confided that in my father, at the time, and he revealed to me that he'd had a similar set of dreams in his youth as well, admitting, 'I never learnt anything more about it, but I always wondered what it was about.'

By eighteen, following my first (spontaneous) past-life regression, (tipped off by Pink Floyd's 'High Hopes' -- of all things) they stopped, only to be replaced by what I called 'The Blue Sky Memory'.

I was a federal agent suspicious of her partner's (perceived) involvement in an inter-agency conspiracy -- and everything smacked of the latter '70s. I had auburn hair, hazel green-gold eyes -- and a name. I caught my reflection in the mirror-visor while waiting in a car; my partner was inside, and I knew I was somewhere in the Potomac area. Small, zero-property line houses -- just across the river; an 'impoverished pocket' of an otherwise upscale neighbourhood.

I remembered the feeling of a dirty, gravel-strewn road -- pretty far out there -- and the small property, little more than a shack -- but surprisingly cosy -- decorated era-appropriate. (Ohhhh, the avocado green.) I had the thought that, it was where I died -- or that something happened that really scarred me. But that whole space, while being crystal clear to me, is a complete and utter mystery.

Where I actually died, AKA 'The Blue Sky Memory', was a parking lot. The way I stared up into the blue sky, unable to keep from contemplating the irony of it -- the blue sky. Its strange sense of infinity. I always assumed how I must've been shot, to be lying there, dying, in a parking lot. I'm quite sure of even where the location would've been.

I'm not sure how the two locations connect yet. But I realise the greater likelihood of how I was dying on the asphalt outside of a large commercial complex. Really, only very, very recently.

It's the why that has both driven and plagued me. I must not have really seen how it impacted me psychologically that summer -- it would become the first truly inexplicable thing that I couldn't resolve as an investigator, despite all of my formal training. Too many things were converging in my life, rapidly, to tell a story that I wouldn't even begin to write until several months later. January 2000.

posted August 29, 2014 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Honestly, I think I've identified a particular soul-group. I've just noticed, Blind writer, that about 25 of my top 100 charts have TISIPHONE conjunct LACHESIS, 3º. Given the data is spread across 5 years, (1979-1983) there are a few cycles here; it's clearly significant. Wow!

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posted August 29, 2014 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Perhaps an entire group avenging the massacre of another group. e.g. tribes

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I think so, Amelia. And I think I understand how, why, and what.

Okay. NOW I'm going to have to ask iQ something I've been meaning to for awhile. How to find 'evidence' of subprojects like MKULTRA in a chart. It's becoming germane.

posted August 29, 2014 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Well, florence, it's tough to say just WHAT it means yet. The IC's the seat of the soul, so it would seem that it's an issue or theme that's potentially buried quite deeply there.

I'd investigate your karmic history to get a better understanding as to whether it's active now, or just vestigial in nature.

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Thanks for replying indigo.

When you say investigate karmic history do you mean through charts?

I did once have such a painful confusing relationship that I mocked up an imaginary set from the past in which I could move people around in it to understand what was going on. To me this was something I created rather than an actual existing past. However, when this rship reached it's very painful end, I got an involuntary image of this person hugging me in goodbye in this imagined location. Only after did I find out he had left the country, deliberately not telling me at this same time. So, sometimes I wonder how much that might have intersect with something that occurred really.

The imagined or intuited scenario was that he had wrongfully imprisoned me, he was my captor or prosecutioner and interrogated me in an unfair manner. As you can imagine venus opposing Saturn synastry, I later found out governed these themes in the rship. I will look up Tisiphone in the synastry to see if it played a part.

But regardless you made me get a feel for how it might work in my chart as the seat of my soul. Also avenging is very much the nature of my family ..