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Blind writer
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posted August 29, 2014 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Honestly, I think I've identified a particular soul-group. I've just noticed, Blind writer, that about 25 of my top 100 charts have TISIPHONE conjunct LACHESIS, 3º. Given the data is spread across 5 years, (1979-1983) there are a few cycles here; it's clearly significant. Wow!

That flood tends to happen as a byproduct of war.

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florence
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posted August 29, 2014 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After all that it's not doing so much in synastries if only conjunctions are important.

If not, his Tisiphone is trine my mars but by 3 (including for theme)
Sq my jupiter exact
Opp my nn by 2
BiQ mc exact

My Tisiphone sextile his mars exact

But in composite it's conjunct the dc by 2

That does seem to fit the imagined karma to me but I am not good with interpreting

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IndigoDirae
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posted August 29, 2014 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by florence:
Thanks for replying indigo.

When you say investigate karmic history do you mean through charts?

I did once have such a painful confusing relationship that I mocked up an imaginary set from the past in which I could move people around in it to understand what was going on. To me this was something I created rather than an actual existing past. However, when this rship reached it's very painful end, I got an involuntary image of this person hugging me in goodbye in this imagined location. Only after did I find out he had left the country, deliberately not telling me at this same time. So, sometimes I wonder how much that might have intersect with something that occurred really.

The imagined or intuited scenario was that he had wrongfully imprisoned me, he was my captor or prosecutioner and interrogated me in an unfair manner. As you can imagine venus opposing Saturn synastry, I later found out governed these themes in the rship. I will look up Tisiphone in the synastry to see if it played a part.

But regardless you made me get a feel for how it might work in my chart as the seat of my soul. Also avenging is very much the nature of my family ..

Less literally I do think guilt, punishment but especially a wronging of some kind is something which is an undercurrent in my nature and life. And, oh yeah, I've sifted a lot of this thro Bdsm and will go into when I researched synastries


Very interesting, florence. And I'm so sorry to hear about the tragic 'un'-resolution of that relationship. I have a few of those, and they're never, ever easy. I consider myself extremely fortunate that there aren't more. But I think I have fought for that, to some degree. Such as the relationship I have with this gentleman. It could've been 'the end of it' several times -- but one was always prodding the body with whatever was available; we'd take turns declaring whether or not it was dead yet, and should be saved -- or not. Because of many, many reasons.

In many ways, it's the success that [i]could/[i] have been had with my Twin, if we'd tried more and fought harder. But when I give up the fight, THAT's when I need my partner to be very forceful in refusing to do so. I swear, it's some sort of innate testing mechanism which has only gained strength through decades of betrayal patterns.

In the greater scheme, Tisiphone is a great 'righter of wrongs', as are the other two Erinyes. It's just perhaps that her purview is the most serious -- though, that's debatable. In many ways, I'm sure that he and I've replayed -- and replaced -- our Tisiphonic karma with themes more akin to Megaira's domain. A principle illustrated by his nJUNO-MEGAIRA being exactly conjunct our cSUN, and 1º conjunct our cVENUS-JUPITER.

He knows something went wrong 'in our past'. He probably even knows what, but doesn't want to admit to it, either. I don't blame him, and yet, I feel that, there comes a time when you've run out of 'get out of discussing it' passes. Then you simply have to.

I used to have a powerfully overwhelming scepticism regarding creative visualisation. But, honestly, since I wrote this story, and everything that's a part of it, and all that's happened either around it, in it, or because of it -- I can't treat the process so glibly.

It's gotten to the point where I'm making ridiculous excuses to DISPROVE, rather than PROVE it! So, who can honestly say it's not a viable 'method' ?

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KarkaQueen
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posted August 29, 2014 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Indigo for making Asteroid Astrology active these days!

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IndigoDirae
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posted August 29, 2014 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Thank you Indigo for making Asteroid Astrology active these days!

It's how I learn, Karka. I'm glad to get a solid dialogue going wherever I can, and this one's weighed heavily upon me for a long time. Now that I'm finally gaining real insight into it, I feel I'm GETTING somewhere.

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posted August 29, 2014 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Libran,

I understand your point completely as well as share it. Death, like life, is on par with anything in the great cosmic schoolroom that's Earth. Karma, I think, stems from something unanticipated. A contract is one thing: I need to know what X is like, so I'm going to entrust X experience to someone with whom I have a strong relationship -- and who can handle it. (It's really not unlike BDSM in that fashion, which I suspect it's a bit of an Indigo endeavour.)

It's intensity in a controlled environment. Sure, the experiment can have troubling results; the hypothesis was wrong, or one of the actors was 'miscast', so to speak. Those seem relatively easily resolved.

Coming upon the knowledge that someone killed me in a former life is almost Tuesday at this point. I'd say 10% of my Facebook fits that category. Likewise, too. We never like to think we went completely off the rails, but, purely statistically speaking, as you've stated -- it's too likely.

But what's been rather imprinted upon my soul, since my teens, was 'dutiful wetworker'. I had a series of recurring dreams over a few years which detailed those 'adventures'. Cold, impersonality. The 'government assassin' type, though, I just delivered them to the agency I worked for -- and never asked questions. Ever. Interestingly, I'd confided that in my father, at the time, and he revealed to me that he'd had a similar set of dreams in his youth as well, admitting, 'I never learnt anything more about it, but I always wondered what it was about.'

By eighteen, following my first (spontaneous) past-life regression, (tipped off by Pink Floyd's 'High Hopes' -- of all things) they stopped, only to be replaced by what I called 'The Blue Sky Memory'.

I was a federal agent suspicious of her partner's (perceived) involvement in an inter-agency conspiracy -- and everything smacked of the latter '70s. I had auburn hair, hazel green-gold eyes -- and a name. I caught my reflection in the mirror-visor while waiting in a car; my partner was inside, and I knew I was somewhere in the Potomac area. Small, zero-property line houses -- just across the river; an 'impoverished pocket' of an otherwise upscale neighbourhood.

I remembered the feeling of a dirty, gravel-strewn road -- pretty far out there -- and the small property, little more than a shack -- but surprisingly cosy -- decorated era-appropriate. (Ohhhh, the avocado green.) I had the thought that, it was where I died -- or that something happened that really scarred me. But that whole space, while being crystal clear to me, is a complete and utter mystery.

Where I actually died, AKA 'The Blue Sky Memory', was a parking lot. The way I stared up into the blue sky, unable to keep from contemplating the irony of it -- the blue sky. Its strange sense of infinity. I always assumed how I must've been shot, to be lying there, dying, in a parking lot. I'm quite sure of even where the location would've been.

I'm not sure how the two locations connect yet. But I realise the greater likelihood of how I was dying on the asphalt outside of a large commercial complex. Really, only very, very recently.

It's the why that has both driven and plagued me. I must not have really seen how it impacted me psychologically that summer -- it would become the first truly inexplicable thing that I couldn't resolve as an investigator, despite all of my formal training. Too many things were converging in my life, rapidly, to tell a story that I wouldn't even begin to write until several months later. January 2000.

That's when I would 'meet' him for the first time.



Thank you for sharing that story. I really liked it, it seems like a very profound experience.

I can especially resonate with your "dutiful wetworker" story. It seems like it would be so contrary at first, what with that stage supposed to be all love and light, but to me that is an Old Soul occupation. It's a way to sublimate the wounds of centuries, possibly millenia.

Have you ever worked more on that memory with an experienced professional? Maybe found names, dates, places, that kind of stuff?

Also this:

quote:
Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Coming upon the knowledge that someone killed me in a former life is almost Tuesday at this point. I'd say 10% of my Facebook fits that category. Likewise, too.


quote:
Originally posted by Blind writer:
That flood tends to happen as a byproduct of war.

Yep, that is a really interesting phenomenon, isn't it.

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florence
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posted September 01, 2014 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Very interesting, florence. And I'm so sorry to hear about the tragic 'un'-resolution of that relationship. I have a few of those, and they're never, ever easy. I consider myself extremely fortunate that there aren't more. But I think I have fought for that, to some degree. Such as the relationship I have with this gentleman. It could've been 'the end of it' several times -- but one was always prodding the body with whatever was available; we'd take turns declaring whether or not it was dead yet, and should be saved -- or not. Because of many, many reasons.

In many ways, it's the success that [i]could/[i] have been had with my Twin, if we'd tried more and fought harder. But when I give up the fight, THAT's when I need my partner to be very forceful in refusing to do so. I swear, it's some sort of innate testing mechanism which has only gained strength through decades of betrayal patterns.

In the greater scheme, Tisiphone is a great 'righter of wrongs', as are the other two Erinyes. It's just perhaps that her purview is the most serious -- though, that's debatable. In many ways, I'm sure that he and I've replayed -- and replaced -- our Tisiphonic karma with themes more akin to Megaira's domain. A principle illustrated by his nJUNO-MEGAIRA being exactly conjunct our cSUN, and 1º conjunct our cVENUS-JUPITER.

He knows something went wrong 'in our past'. He probably even knows what, but doesn't want to admit to it, either. I don't blame him, and yet, I feel that, there comes a time when you've run out of 'get out of discussing it' passes. Then you simply have to.

I used to have a powerfully overwhelming scepticism regarding creative visualisation. But, honestly, since I wrote this story, and everything that's a part of it, and all that's happened either around it, in it, or because of it -- I can't treat the process so glibly.

It's gotten to the point where I'm making ridiculous excuses to DISPROVE, rather than PROVE it! So, who can honestly say it's not a viable 'method' ?


Indigo .. it was really lovely for me to have someone sympathetic to that relationship ending as few people seem to fall as hard or recover as slowly (am sure many do but they get on with it) so even though I now don't feel pain over it, it's kind of a belated reassurance. I do recognise sometimes in your relationship experiences my own .. At least they seem to have a kind of intensity and the implications as mine have had and a darkness? My interpretation of what I've read anyway.

That wasn't a twin flame relationship but another experience ... I understand exactly the kind of push and pull sensation particular to that. Suppose it is fighting with the self. How not to do that? Maybe trust the self I think lately but it's so hard. How can you trust yourself lol?

Anyway will muse on this asteroid and be back probably when it has settled more.


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