posted August 27, 2014 01:33 PM            

Natally, I have 11H TISIPHONE conjunct LACHESIS (1°30) with his SUN there, also 1°30, which falls into his 8H.

He has one, too -- TISIPHONE conjunct HADES, 1°, in his 6H and my 9H. It's exactly conjunct my CHIRON (which squares my 12H/6H NODES, 0°30). I noticed yesterday it's also exactly trine his (9H) SIVA. I found that interesting.

Our TISIPHONES are also exactly parallel at 32°N.

This point is a mystery to me, but has a great influence in my life and my astrology. Any insight you could provide would be very appreciated. She's popping up for several others, too, but I have no direction for them.

posted August 27, 2014 02:26 PM            

Tisiphone

466 Tisiphone is an asteroid. It was discovered by Max Wolf and Luigi Carnera on January 17, 1901. Its provisional name was 1901 FX.
Tisiphone (Greek: Τισιφονη, "avenging murder") is the name of two figures in Greek mythology.
Tisiphone was one of the Erinyes, and sister of Alecto and Megaera. She was the one who punished crimes of murder: parricide, fratricide and homicide.

A myth recounts how Tisiphone fell in love with Cithaeron, and caused his death by snakebite, specifically, one of the snakes from her head.

In Book VI of Vergil's Aeneid, Tisiphone is recognized as the furious and cruel guardian of the gates of Tartarus

Found it in the lindaland library.

posted August 27, 2014 02:30 PM            

My husband's Tisiphone conjuncts his moon by less than three orbs as well as my draco Sun by less than 1 orb.

My ex Tisiphone conjuncts my draco Sun but more widely by about 22 minites more than 3 orbs.

ADD:

My husband's draco tisiphone conjuncts exact my geo tropic BML.

posted August 27, 2014 03:33 PM            

Like you, my natal TISIPHONE is conj LACHESIS 1°20', but in my 5H. It is opp my MARS by 2°10' (whoo, boy).
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my TISIPHONE conj my mom's MERCURY 0°22' (her 12H)
my dTISIPHONE conj my mom's dMOON 5°33' (her 8H)
my dMOON conj my mom's dTISIPHONE 5°26' (my 8H)
(See below.)

my TISIPHONE conj my dad's MERCURY 4°20' (his 12H)
my dTISIPHONE conj my dad's dMERCURY 1°25'
(Very little change!)

my TISIPHONE conj my brother's ATROPOS 3°41' (his 7H)
my TISIPHONE opp my brother's CERES 1°44° (his 1H)
my dSUN conj my brother's dTISIPHONE 1°50' (his 8H)
(Looks like issues have been resolved as of this life, ATROPOS signals an ending.)

my TISIPHONE conj my eldest sister's JUNO 0°56' (her 1H)
my TISIPHONE opp my eldest sister's TISIPHONE 4°22' (her 7H)
my dTISIPHONE conj my eldest sister's dTISIPHONE 0°37'
(Clearly an ongoing history here.)

my TISIPHONE conj my other sister's MOON 4°41' (my 5H/her 2H)
my MOON conj my other sister's TISIPHONE 4°14' (her 5H/my 8H)
my dTISIPHONE conj my other sister's dTISIPHONE 1°06' (5H)
(An eye for an eye it looks like, possibly in the realm of mothers and children - looks like we share a mom this time to resolve issues. The fact there is a dMOON-TISIPHONE DW with my mom is additional evidence.)
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Some interesting patterns.

posted August 27, 2014 03:38 PM            

Thing is, Tisiphone regards a very specific charge; she's the one of the Erinyes whose purview is punishment for murder. Alekto's about hospitality, Megaira's scorned love -- but Tisiphone, she's the one that's all about revenge homicide. That's an area I've studied. In depth.

The Furies (namely, Tisiphone) have always been in the background, until he came into my life, knowing far more than I realise I had -- despite my work clearly exploring those themes. His work was already doing so, rather intensely. So, I know it's quite active in my actual life.

But then there it is -- ALL over my astrology. And I can't see how she operates astrologically. I keep trying to -- but I just can't.

posted August 27, 2014 03:43 PM            

That's the part I've been trying to decide. Because -- it does fit. In its entirety. But it can't fit in its entirety EVERYWHERE.

posted August 27, 2014 03:59 PM            

EDIT: I think house placement is something to consider, too. Your 11H might indicate you're prone to avenge wrongs done to your friends. Mine in 5H might mean I'm prone to exact punishment for wrongs against children or animals/pets (especially one's own).

posted August 27, 2014 04:01 PM            

In natal, Aries TISIPHONE is conjunct VENUS(chart ruler) in H6, Taurus LACHESIS is in H7 opposite PLUTO. VENUS and PLUTO are my two dominant luminaries.

In synastry, my LACHESIS is on his SUN, my TISIPHONE on his NN, both exact.
My dTISIPHONE is opposite his gPLUTO, my dLACHESIS on his gVENUS.

TISIPHONE I see as a vigilante energy, it represents to me a space where you will bear rage for things people go unpunished for, and feel honour or fate-bound to provide that punishment. I would sort of liken it to a Mars/Jupiter midpoint with a BML flavour.

The Erynies' creation myth is that of being the blood of Uranus(the sky/father) that spilled on Gaia(the earth/mother) when Chronos(time, or Saturn), their son, killed him. So they are the blood of a dead god from a dualistic theism, killed by the product of the dualistic theism, fallen on the remaining god from the dualistic theism.

posted August 27, 2014 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I think TISIPHONE-MARS or TISIPHONE-SATURN would have the worst kind of tale to tell. PLUTO/HADES is impacting, but not necessarily fatal, and usually for the best at the end of the day.

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You want SATURN in the mix? My drSATURN, 14ºTAU'31, which, oddly, I've just noticed. That's on his nTISIPHONE, drMADHATTER-HADES (0º) and, because there's a cosmic joke to which I've not yet gotten the punchline -- VALENTINE (0º).

Huh. I wonder what drVALENTINE-SATURN (0º) is about.

This is technically a skipped step, as it's square my nNODES -- and conjunct my nCHIRON, 2º30.

Speaking of skipped steps -- the weirdest is the Helio T-Square: hTISIPHONE opposite hDEJANIRA square hLACHESIS. It's the latter which is technically square his nNODES, 1º. Otherwise, hDEJA is on his nSNODE, with hTISIPHONE on the nNODE.

posted August 27, 2014 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
... In synastry, my LACHESIS is on his SUN ...

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Ah! Interesting. See, I don't have any experience with that. To me, it seems like 'interruption' or even 'intervention'. Like a pattern interrupt. Perhaps, something impeding.

posted August 27, 2014 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

TISIPHONE I see as a vigilante energy, it represents to me a space where you will bear rage for things people go unpunished for, and feel honour or fate-bound to provide that punishment. I would sort of liken it to a Mars/Jupiter midpoint with a BML flavour.

The Erynies' creation myth is that of being the blood of Uranus(the sky/father) that spilled on Gaia(the earth/mother) when Chronos(time, or Saturn), their son, killed him. So they are the blood of a dead god from a dualistic theism, killed by the product of the dualistic theism, fallen on the remaining god from the dualistic theism.

The themes I see here is of impeding the ambitious, basically. Of punishment for not toeing the line and waiting for your time. It's a warning to uphold the patriarchy, in a sense, or any prevailing system.
A silly image, but I'm thinking of a sheep dog, keeping the sheep in check.

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posted August 27, 2014 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I wonder what drVALENTINE-SATURN (0º) is about.

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Your drSATURN is 0°07' off my nCHIRON, m'dear.

Anyway, SATURN-VALENTINE actually sounds very nice. A stable, unconditional affection that never wavers, and likely carries across time lines.

I think the hLACHESIS "skipped step" "interruption" is a hesitation to exact vengeance, as originally intended. Due to your open and dedicated lines of communication, evidently. And his hLACHESIS-hDEJANIRA opp is making him face his own entrapment in the cycle. Facing and embracing the other side of the coin. He has to decide how his hTISIPHONE is to be manifested.

posted August 27, 2014 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ah! Interesting. See, I don't have any experience with that. To me, it seems like 'interruption' or even 'intervention'. Like a pattern interrupt. Perhaps, something impeding.

How is your nLACHESIS positioned? When working with fate points, it becomes hard to see what's present and what's past.

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dLACHESIS is 13PIS, square my gMOON. In synastry, as I mentioned, falls on his gVENUS, and also opposes his dMARS.

I sort of see LACHESIS as showing what you think you deserve. Karmically, I think the grand sum tally of the past life experiences your soul subconscious is keeping track of.

I'm not sure how to express this well enough, re: his SUN on my LACHESIS, but I sort of think of him/his presence in my life as something that is a direct expression of what I "had coming" to me. Before, I used to think of it as divinely inspired mandate, the universe's measure of me, whatever; now I see it as the direct result of my past lives' actions and where I am on a soul-level of self-worth. If that makes any sense?

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Speaking of hDEJA, I just noticed mine is opp my hCHIRON 0°02'. Ouch, man.

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posted August 27, 2014 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Wow, that is VERY tight. What do you think it means?

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Just another layer to my geo VENUS-CHIRON opp/skipped step, probably.

Sabian: A Woman, Fecundated By Her Own Spirit, Is "Great With Child"

posted August 27, 2014 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ohhh, I know Tisiphone, Amelia. (Though, thank you.) She pervades my life -- my work, my relationships (in a bizarre way), my karma -- my work -- [b]everything.

Thing is, Tisiphone regards a very specific charge; she's the one of the Erinyes whose purview is punishment for murder. Alekto's about hospitality, Megaira's scorned love -- but Tisiphone, she's the one that's all about revenge homicide. That's an area I've studied. In depth.

The Furies (namely, Tisiphone) have always been in the background, until he came into my life, knowing far more than I realise I had -- despite my work clearly exploring those themes. His work was already doing so, rather intensely. So, I know it's quite active in my actual life.

But then there it is -- ALL over my astrology. And I can't see how she operates astrologically. I keep trying to -- but I just can't.

Do you have insight, Amelia?[/B]

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I am just learning about this with your thread but I do have some draco to geo key aspects with my husband involving this and I feel if there is a guy I have dark karma with its him we have just made some great improvement lately since Nov 2013 there seems to have been a turning point for us.

We Have:

My husband's Tisiphone conjuncts his moon by less than three orbs as well as my draco Sun by less than 1 orb.

My husband's draco tisiphone conjuncts exact my geo tropic BML.

My draco tisiphone conjuncts my husband's geo tropic Jupiter which is intercepted and opposes my geo moon.

So his tisiphone touches my moon and BML..........

What do you think?

posted August 27, 2014 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
... we have just made some great improvement lately since Nov 2013 there seems to have been a turning point for us ...

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posted August 27, 2014 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Us, too! Really, the Nov/Dec 2013 time period has been SUCH a turning point for us. How wild! We've gotta trade data, Amelia ....

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posted August 28, 2014 09:35 AM            

Did they kill each other in different lifetimes to avenge you?
Did they kill a common enemy in different lifetimes to avenge you?

Add your abusive ex and your husband's data to get a comprehensive idea. Just use these Asteroids a bit like Tarot to get a confirmation for the intuitive idea, and you will understand comprehensively.

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posted August 28, 2014 10:52 AM            

Would you say that his GT tisiphone conjuncting my draco sun by minutes could mean past karma were he murdered me combined with his eros/karma/mercury conjunct my saturn/DNA/tyche.

posted August 28, 2014 12:08 PM            

His Vertex scorp@20.10
His Uranus scorp@20.59
My NN scorp@21.44
My Micheal scorp@21.26

His NN virgo@18.28
His Angel virgo@21.20
His Valentine virgo@21.28
His PortaCoeli virgo@21.03
My Moon virgo@18.35
My Aesculapia virgo@17.08

My Rudra cap@16.28
My Angel cap@16.21
His Unitas cap@16.28

His Venus cap@18.35
His Psyche cap@20.07
My Moira cap@20.13

His Skuld cap@26.18
His Klotho cap@24.35
My Unitas cap@24.58

My SN taurus@21.44
His Utopia taurus@22.16
His Compassion taurus@23.54
His Rudra taurus@24.03

My Chiron aries@24.14
His Moon saggy@25.46
His Mars saggy@25.16

His Pluto libra@18.57
My Venus libra@19.02
His Fortuna aries@22.01
My Vertex aries@21.23

His Hermes cap@29.08
His Karma taurus@29.09
His Destin gem@1.30
His Yeshuhua gem@0.36
His Gaea aries@1.03
His Hyperborea leo@0.58
His Jupiter leo@0.37
His Kaali leo@2.04

**My Tisiphone libra@0.34
His Draco Tisiphone libra@1.39
His Draco Venus leo@1.02
My Parvarti/Soulie/Cydonia saggy@0.
My Saturn leo@2.50
My Parana/Union/Aphrodite scorp@29
My Gaea cancer@27.17
My Aura cancer@27.07
My Devine scorp@27.17

posted August 28, 2014 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
IQ,

Would you say that his GT tisiphone conjuncting my draco sun by minutes could mean past karma were he murdered me combined with his eros/karma/mercury conjunct my saturn/DNA/tyche.

ADD:
In addition my husband's draco tisiphone conjuncts exact my geo tropic BML.

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It's looking as if we're off the hook there, Amelia. Whew! If CHIRON/TISIPHONE-HADES isn't a murderous, but avenging wound, I think we can safely say that, yes, there IS healing to be done. But we were not victimised. Rather, we may have been the CAUSE, but not the recipient.

posted August 28, 2014 01:35 PM            

Wow. I'm processing. This truly illuminates something which has been heavy on my soul 'memory' since 1999. The summer, in fact. It would be the following winter, January 2000, that it would find its way into a story that would suffer a 'Sisyphusian' impediment, with a constant retrieval of new information causing the whole thing to be suddenly 'invalid' and reworked. It's been this way for nearing 15 years.

I don't think it's coincidence that a figure much like 'the purely evil and broken' version of that aforementioned story's hero -- is this story's villain. That's the one written with my Twin, originally in 2006, and then resumed in 2012. It's an ongoing 'in background development' project. I'm now seeing how the timing of the two -- which was first, and which followed, and the odd coincidences between them, hardly seems, well, accidental.

The first project again took centre-stage in March 2013, oddly coinciding with my GS and I determining whether we wanted to resume a relationship -- the same week my Twin started employment in his current job, thereby really eliminating the likelihood of developing that project, LACHESIS.

So my attentions switched back to my original concept, solo-undertaken, but the final works of many contributors in their own unique fashion across many years. It's THAT story's subject matter which has grown in importance over time, and, with the introduction of my Guardian, took on shape unlike it ever had before.

posted August 28, 2014 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
It's looking as if we're off the hook there, Amelia. Whew! If CHIRON/TISIPHONE-HADES isn't a murderous, but avenging wound, I think we can safely say that, yes, there IS healing to be done. But we were not victimised. Rather, we may have been the CAUSE, but not the recipient.

Unless I'm misunderstanding?

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We have different aspects..he responded to your thread but I was hoping he would comment on my inquiry as well.

However, My chiron 2 inconjuncts my saturn 2 exact and his eros 3/mercury 1/karma 0 stellium conjuncts my saturn and inconjunct my chiron so I guess there is a karmic chiron theme with us too.

But who killed who?

If there is a love triangle it would be with my husband and my aqua friend who I met a few months before I got married perhaps bc my juno conjuncts chaos and hekate so chaos and crossroads had to be part of that time in my life.

My aqua friend draco tisiphone conjuncts exact my geo tropic chiron. His GT tisiphone conjuncts exact his GT chiron and his chiron/tisiphone conjuncts my GT northnode/varuna by a little over 3 orbs. His saturn conjuncts my SN by one orb but I dont feel I have bad karma with him.

MY husband's Draco tisiphone conjuncts his Draco Moon by less than 3 orbs and my GT BML exact and his GT tisiphone conjuncts my draco Sun by minutes but my husband's knight conjuncts my chiron exact and his Draco chiron conjuncts my neptune in the first and my sun/moon midpoint exact..

I have no idea who killed who.

posted August 28, 2014 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
We have different aspects..he responded to your thread but I was hoping he would comment on my inquiry as well.

However, My chiron 2 inconjuncts my saturn 2 exact and his eros 3/mercury 1/karma 0 stellium conjuncts my saturn and inconjunct my chiron so I guess there is a karmic chiron theme with us too.

But who killed who?

If there is a love triangle it would be with my husband and my aqua friend who I met a few months before I got married perhaps bc my juno conjuncts chaos and hekate so chaos and crossroads had to be part of that time in my life.

My aqua friend draco tisiphone conjuncts exact my geo tropic chiron. His GT tisiphone conjuncts exact his GT chiron and his chiron/tisiphone conjuncts my GT northnode/varuna by a little over 3 orbs. His saturn conjuncts my SN by one orb but I dont feel I have bad karma with him.

MY husband's Draco tisiphone conjuncts his Draco Moon by less than 3 orbs and my GT BML exact and his GT tisiphone conjuncts my draco Sun by minutes but my husband's knight conjuncts my chiron exact and his Draco chiron conjuncts my neptune in the first and my sun/moon midpoint exact..

I have no idea who killed who.

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Right, but what I'm saying is that I don't think anybody actually killed anyone. Follow? Again, unless I'm mistaken, I think it's more akin to, either the partner (in your case, your husband, in mine, my Guardian Soulmate) killed someone else in response to our being harmed, or even killed.

It seems to be an 'avenging the death' of pattern.