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Gabby
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posted August 29, 2014 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If so would a females Erato conjunct mans Psyche be a soulmate pairing?

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posted August 29, 2014 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If is the feminine of Eros then I imagine that it must be nice if it conjuncts the man's Eros of interest.

Great topic!

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posted August 29, 2014 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ERATO is one of the muses, so she relates to creative powers, usually writing, through a sensual lens. Erotic art, romance novels, playboy photographic modeling. She doesn't "pair" up with anyone, or fit lock-and-key.

EROS is pure erotic energy, physical love and ardor, things that excite us. He pairs with PSYCHE, as she represents the other side of the same coin. She is the "feminine Eros".

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posted August 29, 2014 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
If so would a female's Erato conjunct a man's Psyche be a soulmate pairing?

Erato is a muse. "In Greek mythology, Erato is one of the Greek Muses. The name would mean "desired" or "lovely", if derived from the same root as Eros, as Apollonius of Rhodes playfully suggested in the invocation to Erato that begins Book III of his Argonautica.

Erato is the Muse of lyric poetry, especially love and erotic poetry. In the Orphic hymn to the Muses, it is Erato who charms the sight."

The name source is the same and there is some common ground, but Erato doesn't inflame things like Eros does as far as I know. To me her sense would be more akin reading or hearing about love described in words (songs, music, not sure what) and feeling it through that instead of it actually being the love, desire or something that then inspires the poetry or lyrics about it. The difference between the actual real thing and talking about it or telling people about how it is. I wouldn't consider Erato a soulmate pairing with Psyche since there is the very specific Eros already, and Amor or Cupido for other layers of the thing. It's pairing a female something else with a female other thing.

Erato-Psyche may however feel very soulful and loving in the sense of love poetry or appreciating gentler or finer things like that, perhaps. There shouldn't be any polarity feeling, but again this is merely an opinion without knowledge of how the actual contact works.

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posted August 29, 2014 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its a reasonable connection. ..she was the muse of lyric poetry, and often love and erotic poetry...it seems she was seen as a counTerpart of Eros in several ways. There are some pretty clear distinctions but coould Probly be used in a similar/female manifestation way...BUT if you are talking about a mans Psyche why not just use her Eros? Is there a male equivalent of Psyche? Not that I can think of but that's hardly conclusive!

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posted August 29, 2014 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
If is the feminine of Eros then I imagine that it must be nice if it conjuncts the man's Eros of interest.

Great topic!


I'm sorry I didn't understand....were you saying "it is"or "if it is" then it would be meaningful?

We have this going on....not sure if it can be considered a DW?

My Erato cap@21.16
His Psyche cap@20.07
His Venus cap@18.33
My Moon virgo@18.35

His Erato libra@22.31
My Venus libra@19.03
His Pluto libra@18.57
My Destin libra@21.35
My Anti-Vertex libra@21.26

His Eros cap@14.25
My Psyche gem@15.28
My Lust cap@15
His Amor aries@16
My Pan aries@16
My Jupiter aries@15

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posted August 29, 2014 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no, Erato is not the female form of Eros.

However, she is (or can be) the inspiration brought forth by a feeling of eroticism.

Like someone can become someone else`s muse literally.

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posted August 29, 2014 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just found this also...I didn't realize Amor was considered Eros also??


ENCYCLOPEDIA
PSYCHE (Psuchę), that is, "breath" or "the soul," occurs in the later times of antiquity, as a personification of the human soul, and Apuleius (Met. iv. 28, &c.) relates about her the following beautiful allegoric story. Psyche was the youngest of the three daughters of some king, and excited by her beauty the jealousy and envy of Venus. In order to avenge herself, the goddess ordered Amor to inspire Psyche with a love for the most contemptible of all men : but Amor was so stricken with her beauty that he himself fell in love with her. He accordingly conveyed her to some charming place, where he, unseen and unknown, visited her every night, and left her as soon as the day began to dawn. Psyche might have continued to have enjoyed without interruption this state of happiness, if she had attended to the advice of her beloved, never to give way to her curiosity, or to inquire who he was. But her jealous sisters made her believe that in the darkness of night she was embracing some hideous monster, and accordingly once, while Amor was asleep, she approached him with a lamp, and, to her amazement, she beheld the most handsome and lovely of the gods. In her excitement of joy and fear, a drop of hot oil fell from her lamp upon his shoulder. This awoke Amor, who censured her for her mistrust, and escaped. Psyche's peace was now gone all at once, and after having attempted in vain to throw herself into a river, she wandered about from temple to temple, inquiring after her beloved, and at length came to the palace of Venus. There her real sufferings began, for Venus retained her, treated her as a slave, and inmposed upon her the hardest and most humiliating labours. Psyche would have perished under the weight of her sufferings, had not Amor, who still loved her in secret, invisibly comforted and assisted her in her labours. With his aid she at last succeeded in overcoming the jealousy and hatred of Venus; she became immortal, and was united with him for ever. It is not difficult to recognise in this lovely story the idea of which it is merely the mythical embodiment, for Psyche is evidently the human soul, which is purified by passions and misfortunes, and is thus prepared for the enjoyment of true and pure happiness. In works of art Psyche is represented as a maiden with the wings of a butterfly, along with Amor in the different situations described in the allegoric story.

Source: Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology.

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posted August 29, 2014 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do you think people so often suggest checking Amor and Cupido against Psyche as well as her to Eros? I already noted about the use of all three further up, and don't know how you would have missed all the threads over the years where they or their differences in relating were discussed, given how active you've seemed to be. The Greek and Roman names or versions differ slightly in mythologies, Eros being the (normally original or older) Greek side here.

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posted August 29, 2014 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok....so what I'm understanding is she doesn't represent the same as Eros, but has a similar vibe just on a much more toned down manor and geared more towards writing not the physical erotic nature of Eros....is that correct ?

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posted August 29, 2014 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Keela:
Why do you think people so often suggest checking Amor and Cupido against Psyche as well as her to Eros? I already noted about the use of all three further up, and don't know how you would have missed all the threads over the years where they or their differences in relating were discussed, given how active you've seemed to be. The Greek and Roman names or versions differ slightly in mythologies, Eros being the (normally original or older) Greek side here.

I'm not sure how I missed it....I don't even have it listed in my asteroid couples thread as a possibility that needs to be checked. Very odd indeed!!

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posted August 29, 2014 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000973.html for a start. Google should have other options as well but I haven't the chance to wade through most just now. Ceridwen brought up the alternatives to Eros in some thread this past month only, too, although these days I imagine that was on the Interpersonal side now.

This may be one of the more recent ones where I've seen the three discussed.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000641.html

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posted August 29, 2014 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I just found this also...I didn't realize Amor was considered Eros also??


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Eros is the Greek name.

Amor and Cupido are the latin equivalents.

In fact in the latin original of the story it is always called "Cupido et Psyche".

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posted August 29, 2014 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Keela said. She's a muse. I've got her pretty prominent. Yeah, yeah, even though they get pretty twisted, I can't deny I have written 'modern gothic romance'.

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posted August 29, 2014 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ERATO is on 15 Sag, opposing my Karma and sextile my Moon.

I find it sweet somehow that his ERATO is conjunct my VALENTINE exact. And his MUSA falling onto my AC-Neptune-NN. A cute little aspect.

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posted August 29, 2014 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarmicMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Erato is at 28 Scorpio activating my Neptune/Venus sqaure. Conjunction to my Neptune is minutes. It's my writing square because Neptune is in the 3rd and Venus in the 12th. I actually have started writing, some of it erotica. Can you guess who the muse was that came along and finally gave me the courage to try writing? I swear, you can't make this **** up!

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posted August 29, 2014 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm sorry I didn't understand....were you saying "it is"or "if it is" then it would be meaningful?

We have this going on....not sure if it can be considered a DW?

My Erato cap@21.16
His Psyche cap@20.07
His Venus cap@18.33
My Moon virgo@18.35

His Erato libra@22.31
My Venus libra@19.03
His Pluto libra@18.57
My Destin libra@21.35
My Anti-Vertex libra@21.26

His Eros cap@14.25
My Psyche gem@15.28
My Lust cap@15
His Amor aries@16
My Pan aries@16
My Jupiter aries@15


What I mean is if Eratos is the female version of Eros and Eros the male counterpart of Eratos then Eros aspecting Eratos I would think is meaningful.

In your case his Eratos squares your Eros tightly! and you two clearly have some nice aspects. The list is impressive I think. Now I get why you like him. Out of all the things you have posted about him I think this list explains the attraction for him and him for you best.

ADD:

Oh so this is not the facebook guy! I was not really feeling the facebook guy for you anyways.. Glad this other guys wants to get serious; you guys have some very nice aspects.

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posted August 29, 2014 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eros is primordial erotic energy in some myths he predates Aphrodite/Venus and Erato is a muse a product of Zeus and Mnemosyne so different energy.

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posted August 29, 2014 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This article was linked to Eros/Psyche.....

Kāmadeva (Sanskrit in Devanagari: कामदेव ,(Bengali: কামদেব , also called Māra, is the Hindu god of human love[2] or desire. Other names for him include; Manmathudu (Telugu: మన్మథుడు Atanu(Telugu: అతను (one without a body), Ragavrinta (stalk of passion), Ananga (incorporeal), Kandarpa (inflamer even of a god),Madan[3][4] "Manmatha" मन्मथ Manmadha (churner of hearts), Manasija {he who is born of mind}, a contraction of the Sanskrit phrase Sah Manasah jāta), Madana (intoxicating), Ratikānta (lord of Rati), Pushpavān, Pushpadhanva, Kusumashara कुसुमशर (one with arrow of flowers) or just Kāma (longing). Kamadeva is the son of the Hindu goddess Sri and, additionally, Pradyumna, Krishna’s son, is considered to be an incarnation of Kamadeva.[2]

Rati (Sanskrit: रति, Rati) is the Hindu goddess of love [1][2][3][4] Usually described as the daughter of Prajapati Daksha, Rati is the female counterpart, the chief consort and the assistant of Kama (Kamadeva), the god of love. A constant companion of Kama, she is often depicted with him in legend and temple sculpture. She also enjoys worship along with Kama. Rati is often associated with the arousal and delight of sexual activity, and many sex techniques and positions derive their Sanskrit names from hers.

The Hindu scriptures stress her beauty and sensuality. They depict her as a maiden who has the power to enchant the god of love. When the god Shiva burnt her husband to ashes, it was Rati, whose beseeching or penance, leads to the promise of Kama's resurrection. Often, this resurrection occurs when Kama is reborn as Pradyumna, the son of Krishna. Separated from his parents at birth, Rati – under the name of Mayavati – plays a critical role in the upbringing of Pradyumna. She acts as his nanny, as well as his lover, and tells him the way to return to his parents by slaying the demon-king, who is destined to die at his hands. Later, Kama-Pradyumna accepts Rati-Mayavati as his wife.

The demon Tarakasura had created havoc in the universe, and only the son of god Shiva could slay him, but Shiva had turned to ascetic ways after the death of his first wife, Sati. Kama was thus instructed by the gods to make Shiva fall in love again. Kama went to Mount Kailash with Rati and Madhu or Vasanta ("Spring"), and shot his love-arrows at Shiva (in another version of the legend, Kama entered Shiva's mind) and invoked desire. Wounded by Kama's arrows, Shiva becomes attracted to Parvati, the reincarnation of Sati, but agitated, burns Kama by a glance of his third eye.

The word rati refers to anything that can be enjoyed; but, it is almost always used to refer to sexual love.[5]

Not sure if it's close enough but this is a possibility.
(1397) Kama ---likened to Eros
(927) Ratisbona

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posted August 29, 2014 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm wondering if for more spiritual awakenings....could Soulie/Alma/Psyche/Spirit....maybe Aura be used in comparison to Eros/Cupido/Amor/Kama...maybe Erato also since it's more spiritual and less physical.

"The term erotic is derived from eros. Eros has also been used in philosophy and psychology in a much wider sense, almost as an equivalent to "life energy"."

For the Greeks, pothos meant “erotic feeling of nostalgic desire,” “a yearning desire for a distant object.” Somewhere over the rainbow, beyond the horizon, is what we desire. We long for “the unattainable, the ungraspable, the incomprehensible.” The eros and the spirit are forever intertwined. Winning an object of our longing will inevitably bring a feeling of pothos because a desire for love can never be fully satisfied. Says Hillman: “Pothos, as the wider factor in eros, drives the sailor-wanderer to quest for what cannot be fulfilled and what must be impossible.”


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posted August 29, 2014 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah I was searching for an asteroid related to Rati. Thanks.

I don´t feel Soulie, Alma, Spirit, yes. (but not as a Yin to Eros-Yang)

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posted August 29, 2014 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ail,


Eros is actually "more" than Mommy`s boy (Aphrodite). He is as you put it a primordial divine energy predating the olympic gods (of course in this function he was NOT paired with Psyche, he was well just more. Like Chaos. Or Nyx)

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posted August 29, 2014 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW try 1387


1397 is Umtata

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posted August 29, 2014 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know sometimes I hate Jude Law`s chart. I can be almost CERTAIN by now that everytime I look up a new pairing, it will be there, and not just as any aspect, but as conjunction or opposition. In this instance it is his KAMA conjunt my RATISBONA with 2 degree orb, also tied to his AMOR conjunct my PSYCHE (same area).


The way these charts interact, is simply outrageous, indecent and annoying. Someone put a stop to that. Where is the petition I can sign?

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posted August 29, 2014 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My husband's Kama conjuncts my Eros.

My ex Umtata opposes exact my venus.

My aqua friend's Kama squares my Eros.

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