posted May 18, 2015 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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I was trying to help you, so in that spirit, I will leave the thread. Take care, Voix.

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If I needed help, you are the last person on this forum I would ask.

posted May 18, 2015 03:04 PM            

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posted May 18, 2015 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
If I needed help, you are the last person on this forum I would ask.

Respect that, please.

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posted May 18, 2015 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
I agree completely.. All people make their own decisions...and everyone have always severel choice...good or bad way....
Why should all the people of nessus (miljons of people) hard aspected in a chart always choose bad?
Im an realist person and know all people tested hard by the life in periods and will always believe in peoples own power to get a good life...

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I completely agree Popcorn.

posted May 18, 2015 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is the teachable moment. I don't agree with you. I am not going to change what I believe based on what you say. BUT, I can walk away with grace and we can agree to disagree. YOU can do that, too, on the Sweet peas thread and any thread and in life, too. That is one of the "greater lessons" on LL and in life.

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posted May 18, 2015 05:29 PM            

And I want to send vibes of comfort to Ami too.... (I'm 'guessing') that I may share some same placements as she has, as our birthdays 'may'(?) only be about three weeks apart(?? not exactly sure). You know that some of these asteroids are slow-movers? There's a double-whammy Nessus-type transit right now. It's slow, and I can see and 'feel' that sentient slow-mo pain involved in all this.

ADD:
7066 Nessus and asteroid 24835 1995-SM55 have been in a "double-whammy" right now (at least, in my chart it has).

24835 1995-SM55 deals with acceptance and effectiveness issues; rejection, isolation, persecution, and politics. (I believe I got that from m.a.h. long ago.)

7066 Nessus is known to have an effect like extreme-Pluto themes (notation in my notebook). Pluto comes in with magnitude of a sliding mountain, and removes, levels, reveals. (I heard someone recently describe Pluto's work like that~~ great description. Can't remember who said it.)

I have 7066 Nessus about 4 degrees away from my Venus Taurus.
7066 Nessus is conjunct 5710 Silentium natally.
Transiting 5710 Silentium is retrograde now and applying to conjunction with Galactic Center, with transiting Pallas-Athene retro there too~~ and tPholus.

Transiting Sun in Taurus just finished moving over my Nessus-Silentium Taurus at 19+.

ADD: There's also been an asteroid 1943 Anteros return in my chart this past week or so. Anteros issues deal with Rejection, not being loved. This is also the mythological god of unrequited love, punisher of scorned love. My placement is natal Taurus 28+. Transiting Anteros is now moved into the early Gemini degrees.

I have Taurus Venus-344 Desiderata conjunction {'I am a Child of the Universe, and I have the Right to Be Here'}, and going on as I type this right now, there's a conjunction of transiting Venus-Desiderata EXACT-exact, at 11.56' Cancer. Cool double-whammy there says positive things to my Heart. ... the pairs are sextile to each other.

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I'm not in agreement with some of Ami's behaviors at all. And I think this encounter is really wonderful, and is actually sorta healing to me right now.... because I've been here three years now, and made many observations. Like I said, or maybe didn't say yet~~ there's a lot of pain and wounds under Ami's abrupt behaviors. Doesn't excuse her, and yet in certain ways does..... ~Weird today. I can see every point of view here as valid... But how do we reach the Kind and illuminating-resolving middle? (~I'm teary-eyed today.)

There are some really gnarly things going on this week, with multiple T-Squares, and a coming Venus Opp Pluto. Mercury is about to start its retrograde cycle today. We just all went through a more-triggering holiday for some of us who were abused by our moms, female family members, and female-helpers who abused their positions over young lives.

I was victimized in that way, during my childhood, then as a teen trying to flee from f.o.o.~~ I wound up in the care of a counseling female social worker, who after about a month, demanded sex from me (in order for me to 'save my life').... or get turned back over completely to my revenging abuser-mother and thoroughly-embarrassed and wroth-angry dad.

I went against my own moral values to save my own life. It wasn't an easy decision, and I think a part of me regrets this~ even though, for the situation and circumstances, it was 'the only' good "stay alive" choice I had, during that time.

I am soooo blessed to be alive during a time where there is greater tolerance about sexual issues.

I've heard some horror-stories in trauma programs about females who were raped by the men/fathers in their lives. I came away from there with very-firm conviction that 'these ought to have the right' to their lives.

Please forgive if there be any sensitivity in 'the separation' language I've used~ saying 'you' or 'we' versus 'them'.... It is not my intention at all. We are ALL 'people'... who just want to love, and Be Loved in return. *Heart*

PLEASE DO NOT WHOLE QUOTE THIS... Only for my "respect".... I will leave it up. May edit for 'clarifying' purposes, okay. I won't 'change' the essentials.

I'll be back after some headache meds, and a little refreshment. (Came back, and it's around 7:40pm EDT right now.)

I have asteroids to add to this post. (Been added.)

Voix, I'm so sorry you were abused too. And to anyone else here too: My Heart and My Respect to you, dear sister.

Abuse.... It's just gotta stop. Has ruined sooo many people's life, even irrevocably.

Today, NESSUS has acted at LL as a medicine, or as a Healing agent~~ it is described as a 'psychological toxin' ~~ .

Let the generations heal each other.... Let the Women come together to heal 'Other' woman-abused individuals right now. Bind each other's wounds, and care with loving-vigilance for one another.

I understand how anger can play an important part in the process of healing.... I haven't had that kind of supportive indulgence in my life. Anger was always a red-flag that something BAD, really-bad, was about to happen.... I'm pretty good or okay when it comes to being present to people discussing their issues in an animated way~ (like a job I once had listening to totally-irate construction workers. My vulnerability was if they were to use character-assassination tactics. That was my redline in that sandbox.)

posted May 18, 2015 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I wish you well on your process, Viox. Take care!

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Ami I will never ever forgertt your chart. The chart you put up once a time.. I have never ever seen anything like that...almoste everything in your chart was in parallel to your Nessus.. everything.....
Would you describe yourself like a nessus person? All that you say about nessus are that exactly who you are? I think because your whole chart are in parallel to your nessus ... You as person and who you are show nessus..

posted May 19, 2015 04:17 PM            

I just want to acknowledge your very inspiring thoughts that you have been kind enough to share with me here.

posted May 19, 2015 07:49 PM            

I want to understand how God made me. I am sorry if people are offended by my takes on things but I have to call them as I see them, for myself, as well as others.

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posted May 20, 2015 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Here is the thing with Nessus, or anything else. EVERYONE has Nessus. Everyone has a slice of them which is a dark abuser. For some people, it is more present. For others, other asteroids are more present. If Nessus is more present, one must face it more than someone who does not have it in a pivotal position. As Jung says one has to FACE one's darkness. Nessus would be under this category. Once it is faced, it can be transformed. I would not be blown away if I had Nessus in parallel. I am trying to figure it out. If I do, I will try to face it. That is it. It does not make me (or you, or anyone) a "bad" person.

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Yay! We finally agree on Nessus.

We might still disagree on what it means to "face it" (and how that should happen), how damaging it might be to a young person seeking an astrological reading to be told too bluntly that it means abuse, and what it means/looks like when it is tranforming.

posted May 20, 2015 12:02 PM            

In my opinion, truth is ALWAYS the healer. If a person has defense mechanisms that don't allow him to see truth, that is one thing but it is arrogant to try to SHIELD people from truth because WE feel they can't handle it. That is true arrogance imo

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posted May 20, 2015 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
{{{Voix! }}} I've got a major actual headache right now, but I've been wanting to respond with some of my Nessus observations. You have a great thread here. I love reading your work, and I want to contribute more understanding. It always cheers me up to see you post a topic.

And I want to send vibes of comfort to Ami too.... (I'm 'guessing') that I may share some same placements as she has, as our birthdays 'may'(?) only be about three weeks apart(?? not exactly sure). You know that some of these asteroids are slow-movers? There's a double-whammy Nessus-type transit right now. It's slow, and I can see and 'feel' that sentient slow-mo pain involved in all this.

ADD:
7066 Nessus and asteroid 24835 1995-SM55 have been in a "double-whammy" right now (at least, in my chart it has).

24835 1995-SM55 deals with acceptance and effectiveness issues; rejection, isolation, persecution, and politics. (I believe I got that from m.a.h. long ago.)

7066 Nessus is known to have an effect like extreme-Pluto themes (notation in my notebook). Pluto comes in with magnitude of a sliding mountain, and removes, levels, reveals. (I heard someone recently describe Pluto's work like that~~ great description. Can't remember who said it.)

I have 7066 Nessus about 4 degrees away from my Venus Taurus.
7066 Nessus is conjunct 5710 Silentium natally.
Transiting 5710 Silentium is retrograde now and applying to conjunction with Galactic Center, with transiting Pallas-Athene retro there too~~ and tPholus.

Transiting Sun in Taurus just finished moving over my Nessus-Silentium Taurus at 19+.

ADD: There's also been an asteroid 1943 Anteros return in my chart this past week or so. Anteros issues deal with Rejection, not being loved. This is also the mythological god of unrequited love, punisher of scorned love. My placement is natal Taurus 28+. Transiting Anteros is now moved into the early Gemini degrees.

I have Taurus Venus-344 Desiderata conjunction {'I am a Child of the Universe, and I have the Right to Be Here'}, and going on as I type this right now, there's a conjunction of transiting Venus-Desiderata EXACT-exact, at 11.56' Cancer. Cool double-whammy there says positive things to my Heart. ... the pairs are sextile to each other.

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I'm not in agreement with some of Ami's behaviors at all. And I think this encounter is really wonderful, and is actually sorta healing to me right now.... because I've been here three years now, and made many observations. Like I said, or maybe didn't say yet~~ there's a lot of pain and wounds under Ami's abrupt behaviors. Doesn't excuse her, and yet in certain ways does..... ~Weird today. I can see every point of view here as valid... But how do we reach the Kind and illuminating-resolving middle? (~I'm teary-eyed today.)

There are some really gnarly things going on this week, with multiple T-Squares, and a coming Venus Opp Pluto. Mercury is about to start its retrograde cycle today. We just all went through a more-triggering holiday for some of us who were abused by our moms, female family members, and female-helpers who abused their positions over young lives.

I was victimized in that way, during my childhood, then as a teen trying to flee from f.o.o.~~ I wound up in the care of a counseling female social worker, who after about a month, demanded sex from me (in order for me to 'save my life').... or get turned back over completely to my revenging abuser-mother and thoroughly-embarrassed and wroth-angry dad.

I went against my own moral values to save my own life. It wasn't an easy decision, and I think a part of me regrets this~ even though, for the situation and circumstances, it was 'the only' good "stay alive" choice I had, during that time.

I am soooo blessed to be alive during a time where there is greater tolerance about sexual issues.

I've heard some horror-stories in trauma programs about females who were raped by the men/fathers in their lives. I came away from there with very-firm conviction that 'these ought to have the right' to their lives.

Please forgive if there be any sensitivity in 'the separation' language I've used~ saying 'you' or 'we' versus 'them'.... It is not my intention at all. We are ALL 'people'... who just want to love, and Be Loved in return. *Heart*

PLEASE DO NOT WHOLE QUOTE THIS... Only for my "respect".... I will leave it up. May edit for 'clarifying' purposes, okay. I won't 'change' the essentials.

I'll be back after some headache meds, and a little refreshment. (Came back, and it's around 7:40pm EDT right now.)

I have asteroids to add to this post. (Been added.)

Voix, I'm so sorry you were abused too. And to anyone else here too: My Heart and My Respect to you, dear sister.

Abuse.... It's just gotta stop. Has ruined sooo many people's life, even irrevocably.

Today, NESSUS has acted at LL as a medicine, or as a Healing agent~~ it is described as a 'psychological toxin' ~~ .

Let the generations heal each other.... Let the Women come together to heal 'Other' woman-abused individuals right now. Bind each other's wounds, and care with loving-vigilance for one another.

I understand how anger can play an important part in the process of healing.... I haven't had that kind of supportive indulgence in my life. Anger was always a red-flag that something BAD, really-bad, was about to happen.... I'm pretty good or okay when it comes to being present to people discussing their issues in an animated way~ (like a job I once had listening to totally-irate construction workers. My vulnerability was if they were to use character-assassination tactics. That was my redline in that sandbox.)

*rainbow* /e 8:04pm final

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Mirage,

I feel hurt for what you have went through, to come through that and still have the ability to be so open-minded and wise is a rare quality.

Even though you say NESSUS is strong in your chart, you have enough breadth of vision and strength of character to know that you can overcome the darker side, and learn from NESSUS' weaknesses.

Another excellent NESSUS!

You are right, we all need love and to love. Our basic needs are all the same.

posted May 20, 2015 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
I know AMI not write the whole truth about nessus most of the time...but I love to read about what she write...my fantasy triggs. Ive moon conj nessus in hard aspect and also checked out many chart....Im not an abuser and will nerver every be... The most of the people who have hard nessus in there chart are very intelligent and work hard... Many important doctors and professors got nessus in hard aspect... I cant believe all of them are abusers.... They seems to me more be angels who want help people...

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I am glad you have found this evidence Popcorn. I will need to look more into the charts of those who are transforming their abuse into healing and caring for others.

posted May 20, 2015 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
I see Nessus as Pluto or difficult Mars/Pluto apects in the chart: you could be the perp but you could also attract these types. Doesn't matter what the aspect is. I have Nessus conjunct my Venus and Juno, and Venus rules my 1st/8th house. It's also parallel my Mars. So I definitely see how it can go either way for me - touching a 'soft' and a 'hard' planet.

It does take a lot of responsibility on the Nessus person (in synastry, I mean), because the other person will inadvertently step on old triggers/traumas without meaning to, hell, without even knowing they do until Nessus gives an extreme reaction. The lower expression of Nessus may lead to Nessus thinking the other person is the cause for all of these traumas coming back - and feel it's all their fault. The evolved Nessus realizes this is their own vulnerability, their fear of history repeating itself and when, for instance, the other person says something that hurts them - they're actually hearing a parent/ex/teacher/ex best friend/boss who used to treat them badly. They are extremely afraid and I see the resemblance talked here with Chiron - but I think it's harder to control Nessus (Chiron still has the teacher side to him, wanting to help), while I think Nessus may be able to help others and heal their problems once they've gotten a handle on their own trauma.

And yes the positive expression is definitely helping others cope and heal their abuse. With my Nessus, nearly every good friend and relationship I've had was with someone who was abused in some way. Some of my closest girlfriends (Venus conjunct Nessus!) would open up to me while they had always stuffed it down. It hurt my heart hearing about people doing these things to such sweet girls, but I was glad I could offer them support and someone who listened - and believed them.

I do feel like I still have a lot to learn in sympathy for certain types of abuse (the types that I didn't go through thankfully!), but I know I've done the best I can for them. I've mostly suffered verbal and emotional abuse, and I was sexually harrassed by one of my doctors as a teenager (something I thought I was just exaggerating and that it was just him doing his job, that I overrracted).

I do wish there was a less fanatical view on Nessus here. As a newbie finding out I had an abuse asteroid conjunct my Venus, and meaning I must be an abuser to every person I've been in a relationship with, that really scared the cr*p out of me!

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Yes! Pluto/Mars - that is a great way to look at it. And couldn't that energy be useful for a great many projects?

I see all energy as neutral. It is how we execute it that can make it for good or bad, IMO.

Perhaps it is the nature of the pain of NESSUS that makes it differ from CHIRON.
Perhaps NESSUS pain is more plutonic, in that the owner must burn up totally, and rise transformed.

CHIRON apparently never fully heals from his pain, but does his best whilst carrying it on his back.

I think NESSUS knows he must transcend his pain to truly be free. With a lot of pain, there is always the risk of using others as targets to temporarily ease your suffering - but that is a choice.
One I think bearers of strong NESSUS will have to wrestle with.

Again, I think it comes down to choice.

I don't think NESSUS pain can be lived with. That it is too destructive, and must be transcended to avoid causing suffering to others.

It seems that many people on this thread have done just that.

posted May 20, 2015 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I am glad you have found this evidence Popcorn. I will need to look more into the charts of those who are transforming their abuse into healing and caring for others.

How do you think it plays out when NESSUS is conjunct the MOON?

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posted May 21, 2015 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
[b] I am glad you have found this evidence Popcorn. I will need to look more into the charts of those who are transforming their abuse into healing and caring for others.

How do you think it plays out when NESSUS is conjunct the MOON?

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That's great Popcorn, you sound like a lovely person, with an evolved NESSUS.

posted May 21, 2015 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
That's great Popcorn, you sound like a lovely person, with an evolved NESSUS.

Out of interest, do you have 12th house placements?

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posted May 21, 2015 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
[b] That's great Popcorn, you sound like a lovely person, with an evolved NESSUS.

Out of interest, do you have 12th house placements?

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posted May 24, 2015 05:29 AM            

Still, I don't see NESSUS as only abuse. He has a long story in mythology, he's a healer, too, as others have mentioned. But I would definitely associate its abusive nature with the PLUTO/MARS midpoint. In synastry, hard aspects between PLUTO and MARS or their midpoint may not be so revealing, but I've found that the composite PLUTO/MARS compared to the natals is very telling. In the above example I mentioned, the girl had an exact PLUTO-MARS conjunction in the composite with her mother, and it fell right on her SUN and the mother's VERTEX.

posted May 24, 2015 05:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
I think the houses are very telling. Voix, if not mistaken, your childhood abuse came from your step-dad (10th house). I know someone who was abused by their mother as a child : NESSUS in the 4th house, on the Galactic Center at 27° Sagittarius, along with MARS in the 4th house as well, on an Aries Point at 0° Cap, and the PLUTO/MARS midpoint still in the 4th house, widely conjunct the IC by 3 degrees.

Still, I don't see NESSUS as only abuse. He has a long story in mythology, he's a healer, too, as others have mentioned. But I would definitely associate its abusive nature with the PLUTO/MARS midpoint. In synastry, hard aspects between PLUTO and MARS or their midpoint may not be so revealing, but I've found that the composite PLUTO/MARS compared to the natals is very telling. In the above example I mentioned, the girl had an exact PLUTO-MARS conjunction in the composite with her mother, and it fell right on her SUN and the mother's VERTEX.

I haven't checked the composite NESSUS, but I think it's worth it.

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Yes, that is correct.

Interestingly, my colleague's was also from the father.

I haven't done too much composite investigation. I'm not sure if I could get his father's for this, it may be a bit intrusive to ask at this time.
But I will bear this this in mind to check in the future.

I too believe NESSUS is a healer. And that all pain can lead to deep healing.

Thank you for this information Peluches!

posted May 24, 2015 06:20 AM            

There is something with NESSUS-CHIRON.

I think NESSUS may be a crossroad.

NESSUS experiences abuse, and reaches a crossroad:

Path 1: Take revenge for abuses received through abusing others/behaving with a sense of entitlement.

Path 2: Find the insights about human nature and self-other, and gather all the wisdom that the abuse has to offer.
Understand how abuse comes about, the mechanisms that drive it, the conditions that support it, and subsequently, those that prevent it.

If Path 2 is chosen, I think CHIRON picks this up and uses the insights/knowledge/understanding gained from Path 2, to guide (or heal) others through their wounds, as they relate to the house/sign of NESSUS/CHIRON.