posted May 25, 2015 04:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I completely agree Popcorn.

Fatalism is such a drag to astrology, and any art/science for that matter.

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Yes, and it is down right ignorant and harmful. There is a poster who has Pluto square Mars in synastry and because someone kept posting "it has to be violence," now the poster is freaked out over the relationship. I really hate seeing that stuff on LL because new posters don't know better and will eat it up. When it comes to analyzing any sort of planet, aspect, synastry, etc., it needs to take a balanced approach- there has never been and never will be a cookie-cutter one size fits all interpretation.

For the record, unless you actually practiced counseling you really cannot say you are a therapist in any way shape or form.

Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

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My colleague and I also have natal CHIRON in the 7th.

There is something with NESSUS-CHIRON.

I think NESSUS may be a crossroad.

NESSUS experiences abuse, and reaches a crossroad:

Path 1: Take revenge for abuses received through abusing others/behaving with a sense of entitlement.

Path 2: Find the insights about human nature and self-other, and gather all the wisdom that the abuse has to offer.
Understand how abuse comes about, the mechanisms that drive it, the conditions that support it, and subsequently, those that prevent it.

If Path 2 is chosen, I think CHIRON picks this up and uses the insights/knowledge/understanding gained from Path 2, to guide (or heal) others through their wounds, as they relate to the house/sign of NESSUS/CHIRON.

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posted May 25, 2015 07:37 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Yes, and it is down right ignorant and harmful. There is a poster who has Pluto square Mars in synastry and because someone kept posting "it has to be violence," now the poster is freaked out over the relationship. I really hate seeing that stuff on LL because new posters don't know better and will eat it up. When it comes to analyzing any sort of planet, aspect, synastry, etc., it needs to take a balanced approach- there has never been and never will be a cookie-cutter one size fits all interpretation.

For the record, unless you actually practiced counseling you really cannot say you are a therapist in any way shape or form.

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I really agree with this, and like the way you described how these two relate to each other.

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Hey Bella,

good to see you on this thread, and it's great that you have such a balanced approach to astrology also.

Yes, one of the pitfalls of knowledge will always be thinking there is only one true, universal understanding of anything.
There are simply too many other things to consider, such as environment, belief systems, genetic influences on personality, etc. So, yes, I think we have to be as flexible as we can, and allow knowledge to grow, as it has done over the full course of humanity to date.

I'm not sure if you are referring to me RE counsellor/therapist?

That is an aspect of my job, however, it is a multi-role position. And I haven't made an assertion that I am a counsellor/therapist.

posted May 25, 2015 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Yes! Pluto/Mars - that is a great way to look at it. And couldn't that energy be useful for a great many projects?

I see all energy as neutral. It is how we execute it that can make it for good or bad, IMO.

Perhaps it is the nature of the pain of NESSUS that makes it differ from CHIRON.
Perhaps NESSUS pain is more plutonic, in that the owner must burn up totally, and rise transformed.

CHIRON apparently never fully heals from his pain, but does his best whilst carrying it on his back.

I think NESSUS knows he must transcend his pain to truly be free. With a lot of pain, there is always the risk of using others as targets to temporarily ease your suffering - but that is a choice.
One I think bearers of strong NESSUS will have to wrestle with.

Again, I think it comes down to choice.

I don't think NESSUS pain can be lived with. That it is too destructive, and must be transcended to avoid causing suffering to others.

It seems that many people on this thread have done just that.

That is so amazing!

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Hmmm... lots of energy, but for what kind of projects? Possibly needs some sort of sports or exercise as an outlet like Mars and Pluto?

True, though I do admit I'm inclined towards more positive or negative for some aspects and/or Nessus. (I have a very strong panic against Venus-Uranus harsh aspects in synastry/composite, as they never end well for me, unless I'm Uranus.) That's not to say there's no positive for difficult aspects, no, of course not and it has different kinds of expressions.

I can see that with Nessus. Actually, again, like with Pluto, I have a feeling that sometimes you need to hit rock bottom with Nessus, you reach your breaking point. And then of course in the worst case, it leads to hurting others - as in taking it out on people who are perfectly nice. It is indeed transforming, like clawing your way back up from a deep pit.

Yeah, I agree on Chiron. It's really sad, but probably an area where you can always be reminded of things you're not good at. Or other people seem to just be better at - doing it effortlessly.

Yes, exactly, it is a responsibility you have towards people you care about. Not to end up taking it out on others like you said.

Do you think it's always too heavy an energy for a person?

posted May 25, 2015 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hey Bella,

good to see you on this thread, and it's great that you have such a balanced approach to astrology also.

Yes, one of the pitfalls of knowledge will always be thinking there is only one true, universal understanding of anything.
There are simply too many other things to consider, such as environment, belief systems, genetic influences on personality, etc. So, yes, I think we have to be as flexible as we can, and allow knowledge to grow, as it has done over the full course of humanity to date.

I'm not sure if you are referring to me RE counsellor/therapist?

That is an aspect of my job, however, it is a multi-role position. And I haven't made an assertion that I am a counsellor/therapist.

I am not yet fully qualified in psychology as yet. But I have substantial experience/knowledge through working in trauma/mental health/crisis.

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Oh, no, no. Wasn't referring to you.

I've just seen a few posters since the time I've been on LL claiming to be therapists/psychologists, yet have never worked with patients in any capacity.

posted May 27, 2015 03:45 AM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Hmmm... lots of energy, but for what kind of projects? Possibly needs some sort of sports or exercise as an outlet like Mars and Pluto?

True, though I do admit I'm inclined towards more positive or negative for some aspects and/or Nessus. (I have a very strong panic against Venus-Uranus harsh aspects in synastry/composite, as they never end well for me, unless I'm Uranus.) That's not to say there's no positive for difficult aspects, no, of course not and it has different kinds of expressions.

I can see that with Nessus. Actually, again, like with Pluto, I have a feeling that sometimes you need to hit rock bottom with Nessus, you reach your breaking point. And then of course in the worst case, it leads to hurting others - as in taking it out on people who are perfectly nice. It is indeed transforming, like clawing your way back up from a deep pit.

Yeah, I agree on Chiron. It's really sad, but probably an area where you can always be reminded of things you're not good at. Or other people seem to just be better at - doing it effortlessly.

Yes, exactly, it is a responsibility you have towards people you care about. Not to end up taking it out on others like you said.

Do you think it's always too heavy an energy for a person?

It's good to see indeed so many people here transcending and being able to live their lives even with having been abused.

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Hmm. I think whether it is too heavy will depend on the individual's experience with heaviness.

To use myself as an example, I have deep, serious conversations almost every working day, either with clients about their traumas, or with colleagues about clients/trauma/mental ill health in general.

Not only do I not find these conversations heavy, I find them positively enlightening and incredibly interesting. And my urge to support others is so strong that it overcomes any personal fears, in the moment. I can empathise very easily marginalised or suffering groups/individuals because this was my early experience of life (I reflect like hell though in private, to keep myself and clients safe).

So, I would say that if an individual is accustomed to this energy through personal or applied experience, then they will be comfortable walking there.

posted May 27, 2015 03:49 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Oh, no, no. Wasn't referring to you.

I've just seen a few posters since the time I've been on LL claiming to be therapists/psychologists, yet have never worked with patients in any capacity.

That sounds like it would be a great career path for you though!

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Ah. I wish people had more faith in themselves, and actually took a risk on manifesting their ideals about self, rather than misrepresenting themselves.
It is a waste of their great potential.

posted June 22, 2015 04:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Perhaps you didn't read the OP, Ami.

I have NESSUS conj. NN. And I do not abuse.

We have to open our minds a bit on this one.

How do you feel about the many members coming away from this site, frantic that they are or will become an abuser?

What I feel is Nemesis is more about pure abuse especially when it conjuncts any personal planet natal or synastry and/or may be angles. I have checked it in a synastry chart of a victim and abuser and there is a moon (victim) conjunct Nemesis (abuser) aspect. Nessus I feel is an incessant or uncontrolled desire.

Some of those members may even be survivors of abuse - are you comfortable with this?

Assertions like this must be tested, tested, tested.
As the damage they can cause in individuals who are vulnerable is potentially abusive itself.

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posted June 22, 2015 01:33 PM            

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7066_Nessus

H=9.6
Kinda small.

try looking at 2007 OR10