posted August 28, 2015 01:39 AM            

I don't have ANY tropic to tropic nessus to dejanira synastry aspects with anyone I have been involved with but I do have DRACO to TROPIC synastry nessus to dejanira aspects with both serious relationships I have had including the one I am in now which we have been together for over 8 years now (my DRACO Dejanira squares my EX and Husband's TROPIC Nessus, further SIDEREAL NESSUS conjuncts my TROPIC DEJANIRA on SIRIUS and SIDEREAL Dejanira conjuncts my TROPIC NORTHNODE so I am meant to work out my dejanira karma with the help of my husband and EX in this life and I feel I am finally there).

However with my husband we have the following intriguing tropic to tropic aspects:

My Zeus in Cap @23d55
My Husband's Nessus in cancer @23d52
My Husband's Dejanira in Libra @25d42

In COMPOSITE:

Herculina in Pisces @6d09
Dejanira in Virgo @4d46
Zeus in Aquarius @0d39
Nessus in Leo @2d01

Composite Nessus conjuncts my natal Eros-Angel.
Composite Zeus conjunts my Lucifer

Our relationship did go through fire, I did get burn and it did hurt a lot but we went through the fire and our relationship was transformed for better and we have stuck together and yes is like a twisted fu*ked up intense therapy for those that conventional therapy just does not work, I guess when the EGO is too BIG life is the best therapy brought to you by Nessus and Dejanira LOL.

Ami this really fits, you are unto something:

"In the same way, a Nessus/Deja relationship will burn off ego layers. Let me say this. The pain will be incredible. You will feel as if you have a knife in your guts. You will cry as if your heart is breaking. The tears will be like fire. However, after it all, you will be changed. The change could never come by talk therapy, meditation or any New Age methods. The change has come from pure upheaval of your ego."

I don't know if the change and transformation is the result of pure upheaval of your ego but yes ego plays an important role for sure, I see why you say it.

I dont know how to interpret my zeus opposing his Nessus and this forming a tsquare with his Dejanira placing his Dejanira at the apex of our tsquare. Perhaps my Zeus is the key to his natal nessus-dejanira aspect and I help him heal and overcome it, it seems to have played out that way. Almost 2 years now were our relationship has transition to a new healthier stage.

posted August 28, 2015 01:54 AM            

How fitting that my understanding of Nessus and Dejanira fully took off while Transit THISBE-PYRAMUS were conjuncting my Tropic Dejanira Conjunct SIDEREAL NESSUS and that all of you have been planting the seeds for this understanding to take place for some time now and all three came together during this time to help make that final leap of understanding.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart to all 3 of you.

posted August 28, 2015 02:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow!! That's so sad....what if all this had played out, we both nearly did commit suicide from the pain of it and then slowly recovered and remained very close?
Could the purification lead to anything else?

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Did you see my really long comment / explanation on Hypatia's NESSUS thread recently? It took me a long time to understand how -- and why -- NESSUS was operating in the synastry with my Twin as it is, but once I came to understand the essence of the details, it ALL clicked.

posted August 28, 2015 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Did you see my really long comment / explanation on Hypatia's NESSUS thread recently? It took me a long time to understand how -- and why -- NESSUS was operating in the synastry with my Twin as it is, but once I came to understand the essence of the details, it ALL clicked.

Deeply transformative and life-changing. It takes a LOT, but it certainly doesn't have to end badly. It doesn't even have to end.

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I agree that it doesn't have to end badly or ever end necessarily, you and I are proofs of that. I imagine that is a case by case thing and how badly is the synastry and composite afflicted with these energies maybe or maybe is purely dependant on were both individuals are at in their journey, maybe both in some cases.

You and I both have northnode connections in our story involving our Natals so we are meant to overcome that karma in this life to unlock our northnode, I feel I have recently reached that point.

For some of us part of the karma is saying goodbye, forgiving and letting go and accepting without feeling like a victim the outcome (I feel this applies to my ex and I). Other times we are suppose stick it out as a couple, transform together and stay together and reap the rewards of the transformation (husband and I).

posted August 28, 2015 04:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I know i have info on zues that ive researched in the past, relating to oppresive control and how kronos was kind of like the soul of God and Zues was like the ego of God... but im not finding it now...ill keep looking tho!

ZEUS: Controlled, directed energy. Machines; creativity; leadership. All things military. Combustion engines. Compulsion. Drive ... Zeus is like a loaded gun that is aimed. Even the glyph looks like a rocket. It signifies well planned efforts.

Relates to learning to channel one's anger into positive expressions. Becoming a voice of principle without becoming dogmatic or holier than thou. Getting in touch with one's inner truth. Relates to speakers, lecturers, etc.

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posted August 28, 2015 08:03 AM            

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posted August 28, 2015 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Gabby,
Do you mean asteroid Herculina??

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Hercules(5143)-Dejanira(157)-Nessus(7066)
Zues(5731) Zues/Uranian planets (h42)

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I don't have ANY tropic to tropic nessus to dejanira synastry aspects with anyone I have been involved with but I do have DRACO to TROPIC synastry nessus to dejanira aspects with both serious relationships I have had including the one I am in now which we have been together for over 8 years now (my DRACO Dejanira squares my EX and Husband's TROPIC Nessus, further SIDEREAL NESSUS conjuncts my TROPIC DEJANIRA on SIRIUS and SIDEREAL Dejanira conjuncts my TROPIC NORTHNODE so I am meant to work out my dejanira karma with the help of my husband and EX in this life and I feel I am finally there).

However with my husband we have the following intriguing tropic to tropic aspects:

My Zeus in Cap @23d55
My Husband's Nessus in cancer @23d52
My Husband's Dejanira in Libra @25d42

In COMPOSITE:

Herculina in Pisces @6d09
Dejanira in Virgo @4d46
Zeus in Aquarius @0d39
Nessus in Leo @2d01

Composite Nessus conjuncts my natal Eros-Angel.
Composite Zeus conjunts my Lucifer

Our relationship did go through fire, I did get burn and it did hurt a lot but we went through the fire and our relationship was transformed for better and we have stuck together and yes is like a twisted fu*ked up intense therapy for those that conventional therapy just does not work, I guess when the EGO is too BIG life is the best therapy brought to you by Nessus and Dejanira LOL.

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I find it so interesting how we all have this energy and purification process in our relationships...I believe this is more evidence of souls evolution we are getting closer to moving beyond needing this physical form and ready to let go of the ego!! It makes me feel inspired and happy even though I know the road is long and hard...we are making progress.

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Ami this really fits, you are unto something:

"In the same way, a Nessus/Deja relationship will burn off ego layers. Let me say this. The pain will be incredible. You will feel as if you have a knife in your guts. You will cry as if your heart is breaking. The tears will be like fire. However, after it all, you will be changed. The change could never come by talk therapy, meditation or any New Age methods. The change has come from pure upheaval of your ego."

I don't know if the change and transformation is the result of pure upheaval of your ego but yes ego plays an important role for sure, I see why you say it.

I dont know how to interpret my zeus opposing his Nessus and this forming a tsquare with his Dejanira placing his Dejanira at the apex of our tsquare. Perhaps my Zeus is the key to his natal nessus-dejanira aspect and I help him heal and overcome it, it seems to have played out that way. Almost 2 years now were our relationship has transition to a new healthier stage.

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posted August 28, 2015 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Thank you Ami, Aubyanne and Gabby for all your ongoing input on Nessus and Dejanira. I resisted to look into it so much but little by little learned more and more about it and eventually I become ready to fully grasp it and could not have done it without all of your input and support.

How fitting that my understanding of Nessus and Dejanira fully took off while Transit THISBE-PYRAMUS were conjuncting my Tropic Dejanira Conjunct SIDEREAL NESSUS and that all of you have been planting the seeds for this understanding to take place for some time now and all three came together during this time to help make that final leap of understanding.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart to all 3 of you.

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posted August 28, 2015 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Did you see my really long comment / explanation on Hypatia's NESSUS thread recently? It took me a long time to understand how -- and why -- NESSUS was operating in the synastry with my Twin as it is, but once I came to understand the essence of the details, it ALL clicked.

Deeply transformative and life-changing. It takes a LOT, but it certainly doesn't have to end badly. It doesn't even have to end.

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posted August 28, 2015 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
This is a hypothetical question right?

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posted August 28, 2015 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I thought she was being literal, which is why I wanted her to check the other thread. Heh!

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posted August 28, 2015 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I will have to go look for your post....I don't know how I missed it! 😣😁😳

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No worries! I'll find it for you. The information came to me in pieces, over 15 years' time. So much of it then became 'verified' a variety of ways: through his own fiction, bizarre 'memories', inexplicable (but sometimes overwhelming) guilt ... tough. It's been so, so tough.

How do you forgive someone for something they didn't do ... here? How do you convince the unconscious to forgive itself when there's nothing logical to point to?

Indeed, it's been quite a journey to understand how the 'then' is playing in the now -- and why.

For starters, so much is linked across the sidereal and Draco through energy translated into the NESSUS-DEJANIRA conjunction. That's how I knew to delve deeper, and not expect the answers to be 'on the surface', as they're buried very, very well.

Example:

A-NESSUS conjunct B-DEJANIRA (0ｺ)

NESSUS/DEJANIRA conjunct A-sNNODE (0ｺ)
NESSUS/DEJANIRA conjunct B-dJUNO (0ｺ)

NESSUS/DEJANIRA square A-sCHIRON/B-sTISIPHONE-sHADES/B-MOON (0ｺ) opposite A-PLUTO/B-MARS (0ｺ)

B-NESSUS conjunct A-dDEJANIRA (2ｺ)
B-NESSUS 4ｺ from B-sSUN
A-dDEJANIRA conjunct B-sSUN (2ｺ)

A-sNESSUS conjunct B-sDEJANIRA (0ｺ) opposite A-dCHIRON (0ｺ) square B-CHIRON/sMOON (0ｺ)

posted August 28, 2015 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I literally did have a relationship that was like that...with TF

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posted August 28, 2015 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I missed my central point which was how Nessus/Deja relationships can be purifying. They seem to be very, very purifying. This surprised me. I did not come to this conclusion until I had enough experience counseling people. Now, I see that these relationships are life changing.

In the same way, a Nessus/Deja relationship will burn off ego layers. Let me say this. The pain will be incredible. You will feel as if you have a knife in your guts. You will cry as if your heart is breaking. The tears will be like fire. However, after it all, you will be changed. The change could never come by talk therapy, meditation or any New Age methods. The change has come from pure upheaval of your ego.

My conclusion is that one must respect the power of these relationships. They have a power unlike little else. Should a person walk away? I will let you be the judge.

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I'm so glad to see that your view has shifted, Ami. While it's true that we can't say out of hand how NESSUS/DEJA will operate, in highly evolved couples (especially Twin Flames) there is something instructive about the energy.

I would have to say that the 'memories' of the experiences are spectral in our relationship now; guiding almost as if by an unseen hand both towards the fire long enough to remember the heat, but removed before there's the chance to burn again. Though, incredibly, the scars remain, and direct and redirect behaviour rather inexplicably at times.

I've often used these deep-seated, primal feelings to help me understand what wound is resurfacing, why, and the lessons that are returning for the moment. It's no mistake his NESSUS is parallel our TISIPHONEs -- something so statistically rare it's mind-blowing. And so the lesson -- and the pain -- resurfaces with the Nessus energy coming back to the fore. We've learnt to delicately invite it back into our relationship when channelled through art and sexual experience. This distance allows us to remember, while preventing either from falling back into negative and harmful roles, in which we might damage each other again, jeopardising our relationship and its purpose to transform and heal.

I use the subtle understanding as a guide. He will bring about sudden and difficult experiences which force my ego to relinquish just a little bit more. I'll find myself locked in pain and misery until I 'get the message' -- and always through meditation or dream. And afterwards, all is proved a misunderstanding with greater care vowed to be exercised in future communication. And it is.

But this is how the energy operates as an undercurrent between us; the ghosts of Cathy and Heathcliff, of Masters and Johnson; Chopin and Sand; Lecter and Starling. All features and facets in either fiction or reality, of overwhelming passion, obsession, and possession perverted into ego-driven self-preservative tactics of manipulation, abuse, and violence.

We've been there enough to know there's no reason for going back, and now we're ready to help others understand the depth, power, and danger of their own disowned shadows and repressed ego drives. To consciously invite the demons in with loving arms, strong leashes, and the healing presence and power of the Divine.

This, I think, is how such wounds are truly and finally healed. And thus, I'd have to say the ultimate answer -- should one walk away? -- depends entirely upon their spiritual evolution, awareness of their soul's path, and willingness to walk through the fire. If one can be a phoenix that arises from the ashes, such a relationship might be one of the most important experiences of their lifetime. It relies upon so many factors to complete an adequate picture.

posted August 28, 2015 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, I get it. You mean the pain nearly drove you both to suicide; not the events of the actual mythology -- with vengeance, murder, and assault. That's makes much more sense now.

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posted August 28, 2015 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm so glad to see that your view has shifted, Ami. While it's true that we can't say out of hand how NESSUS/DEJA will operate, in highly evolved couples (especially Twin Flames) there is something instructive about the energy.

I would have to say that the 'memories' of the experiences are spectral in our relationship now; guiding almost as if by an unseen hand both towards the fire long enough to remember the heat, but removed before there's the chance to burn again. Though, incredibly, the scars remain, and direct and redirect behaviour rather inexplicably at times.

I've often used these deep-seated, primal feelings to help me understand what wound is resurfacing, why, and the lessons that are returning for the moment. It's no mistake his NESSUS is parallel our TISIPHONEs -- something so statistically rare it's mind-blowing. And so the lesson -- and the pain -- resurfaces with the Nessus energy coming back to the fore. We've learnt to delicately invite it back into our relationship when channelled through art and sexual experience. This distance allows us to remember, while preventing either from falling back into negative and harmful roles, in which we might damage each other again, jeopardising our relationship and its purpose to transform and heal.

I use the subtle understanding as a guide. He will bring about sudden and difficult experiences which force my ego to relinquish just a little bit more. I'll find myself locked in pain and misery until I 'get the message' -- and always through meditation or dream. And afterwards, all is proved a misunderstanding with greater care vowed to be exercised in future communication. And it is.

But this is how the energy operates as an undercurrent between us; the ghosts of Cathy and Heathcliff, of Masters and Johnson; Chopin and Sand; Lecter and Starling. All features and facets in either fiction or reality, of overwhelming passion, obsession, and possession perverted into ego-driven self-preservative tactics of manipulation, abuse, and violence.

We've been there enough to know there's no reason for going back, and now we're ready to help others understand the depth, power, and danger of their own disowned shadows and repressed ego drives. To consciously invite the demons in with loving arms, strong leashes, and the healing presence and power of the Divine.

This, I think, is how such wounds are truly and finally healed. And thus, I'd have to say the ultimate answer -- should one walk away? -- depends entirely upon their spiritual evolution, awareness of their soul's path, and willingness to walk through the fire. If one can be a phoenix that arises from the ashes, such a relationship might be one of the most important experiences of their lifetime. It relies upon so many factors to complete an adequate picture.

And the above is my own personal; anecdotal evidence at best, but nonetheless deeply influential for me.

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Wow, very interesting read Aubyanne!!

So thinking about that I found some interesting aspects...

My Zues virgo@16.49 (h42)
My Dejanira virgo@15.18
His Hercules pisces@16.48
Comp Psyche taurus@17.36
Comp Eros cap@15.17
Comp NN cap@16.04
My Isis taurus@15.31
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His Nessus gemini@14.01
My Psyche gemini@15.56

Comp Zues virgo@12.55
Comp Hercules pisces@10.33
His NN pisces@10.25
My Osiris pisces@10.36

Our 7th house comp-
Juno gem@20
Vertex gem@21
Saturn gem@22
Dejanira gem@20
Nessus gem@23
Making a grand trine with....
Comp Sun aqua@19(in his Sun/Moon midpoint)
Comp Uranus libra@20(on my anti-Vertex)
His Vertex leo@21 makes another kite...
My Vertex aries@21 makes a kite....
My Venus libra@19.03
His Tisiphone libra@19.26
His Psyche aries@20.09
His Eros cap@20.32
My Erato cap@21.16
Comp Zues cap@21
Comp Jupiter cap@22

posted August 28, 2015 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
This was all happening after the relationship was over. We are still close, but I'm not sure what it would take to bring us back together or if anything could.

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Yes, the aftermath can be extremely trying. Relationships that endured a lot of 'drama' for lack of better, where much was destroyed in the pursuit of ego-entrenched things, (as that's almost always the case) can feel very hollowed-out after.

Once one or both have been able to reorient themselves towards more positive pursuits, effectively rebuilding their lives, the 'trauma-bond buddy' might get recategorised differently in a way that precludes a relationship akin to the one enjoyed before. Sometimes, as a self-protective measure; they can't bear to be around one with whom they were so raw and weak. It's perceived as embarrassing. They want to be strong, and not to be having shown 'their ugly side' -- even if the other found it beautiful. Such is the masculine ego -- even if exhibited in a woman.

Yet again, more ego troubles.

If the relationship and bond was truly extraordinary, the traumatic components can be 'reframed' in something less dramatic and 'deep' via friendship or just a platonic relationship of a certain depth. This often happens while both are pursuing other romantic relationships, as the ordeal has damaged their mutual capacity to experience the thrill of romantic love together -- at least for the interim or duration of the 'healing process'. The most painful part is the need of having to heal separately, and with others who are as of yet 'unexposed'.

It can feel like a powerful betrayal. We may wonder, in our more pensive moments, why someone with whom we've endured so much can no longer 'feel the same' -- whether by their admission or our own experience and feelings.

However, once again, if the relationship was of an extraordinary quality, and their true destiny is to be lovers, once this remainder of ego is released, and they are no longer afraid to be so 'naked' with one with whom they are enjoying romantic love, they will resume as lovers, and their relationship will be ultimately stronger than before. They are now truly operating -- and loving -- each other on the level of soul, and no longer need to hide, suffering the dictates of the ego. They can experience the most profound expressions of sex and the thrills of infatutatory love, because it is all free of the limitations of ego.

posted August 28, 2015 06:22 PM            

Now, the one whose NESSUS is conjunct my PSYCHE (1ｰ30) is my husband. Which means it's NESSUS-PRIAPUS-SATURN-SUN -- conjunct my PSYCHE.

posted August 28, 2015 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's interesting that you've got a NESSUS conjunct DEJANIRA (3ｰ) in composite. NESSUS is (2ｰ) opposite DEJANIRA in the composite with my first monster. Across the 2H / 8H. Undoubtedly fitting. And, if I recall, SIRIUS (NESSUS) and VEGA (DEJA) which I found interesting.

Now, the one whose NESSUS is conjunct my PSYCHE (1ｰ30) is my husband. Which means it's NESSUS-PRIAPUS-SATURN-SUN -- conjunct my PSYCHE.

My poor PSYCHE!

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My TF and I have his Nessus on my Psyche, interesting!

posted August 29, 2015 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
My nessus conjunct mc.
So you all better be careful. LOL

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posted August 29, 2015 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
In my synastry with my guy, his Nessus squares my Dejanira, and his Heracles conjuncts my Dejanira...it's an obsessive relationship and what Ami described in the OP, fits.

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posted August 29, 2015 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
My nessus conjunct mc.
So you all better be careful. LOL

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posted August 29, 2015 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
We had the same thing except his Nessus squares my Dej, his Hercules opposed it. Did you have Psyche involved at all? His Nessus was on my Psyche....

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In this picture? No.
His Psyche conjjuncts my Sun/Node/DSC

So, he is both to me, I guess - the Nessus and the Heracles...

How did yours played out?