posted January 05, 2017 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I don't think anyone can say with certainty that a planet or asteroid conjunct another planet with DEFINITELY make someone a particular way. So not everyone with sun conj bilk will be liar.

I understand the danger in typecasting and stereotyping, but to some extent, that's what we do as astrologers. We declare that Aries is forceful and fiery. We declare that Venus loves beauty and pleasures. We declare that Mercury is about mind communication. We state that Venus conjunct Pluto makes for passionate obsessive loving. Nobody gets worked up about those statements.

My point is, you see a particular aspect, pay attention, and see if the person confirms the particular interpretation associated with the aspect.

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Sure, what else?

posted January 05, 2017 02:22 PM            

from where I am sitting, and I speak with my Libra moon and Mercury, what I see is an orchestrated and relentless cabale against Ami Ann for what looks like personal reasons.

She has her flaws like everyone else, but who cares, this thread is an attempt to share what she has learned about a particular asteroid. We are all here to learn. at least, I am.

posted January 05, 2017 02:23 PM            

"My point is, that other people might get totally misleaded or inaccurately informed or get a wrong sense of approaching asteroids or lose the faith in astrology"
Yes, I see that, too.

It`s sloppy astrology anyway drawing conclusions from one conjunction of any asteroid to any object.

It`s like saying: Oh that red spot on the painting must mean that this image depicts blood and war.

Could be or, the rest of the painting could show that actually the red spot is part of an apple or anything else.

I guess you know what I mean.

"For example let's take Bilk. It was named after a district and not after the English word. What if bilk means dog in an African language? So, any African with sun conj bilk is a loyal person and any English speaking people with sun conj bilk is a liar?"
That is how most astrologers use asteroids (that are not named after mythological figures). Yes.

"h Aura, that has to do with Aura,"
Oh you wanna Take Aura away from my IC? Not going to happen, missy!

Just kidding. I do think however that Aura actually does represent a person`s Aura.
Possibly. Maybe.
I am not going to fight about that. Truth is too little real research has been done on that. (Not talking about LL research, you know when members write: I researched that and therefore it means that. Nah, not going to convince me, to be honest. I need a bit more of a scientific or at least consistent method to take any research serious)

" ah Lilith, that has to do with Adams wife",
i think it is the better way to say "Despite Lilith named after French composer Lili Boulange, the qualities i have observed over the years has done the name and not the person it was named after justice."
You get my point?"
Yes I get your point. And I tend to agree with you.

Which is why I consider most interpretations of random asteroids to be more or less a "playing around" anyway.

(keep in mind I said *random* asteroids, that does not pertain to Juno, Ceres, Vesta, Pallas or even Eros)

"Also, some asteroids have hardly experienced any reserch, if any. It can be dangerous to get some conclusions too early"

Absolutely. Yes.

"it would be correct and far fairer to say to people "even though Bilk was named after district, i have found it prominent in the charts of famed liars""

"Imagine someone finds the asteroid nessus conjuncting his son's sun and starts being nasty to him? Do you get my point?"
Yes, Nessus is a sore subject around here anyway, but there has been some good research from astrologers on the centaurs.
http://www.philipsedgwick.com/Centaur_TNO/KuiperKeywords.htm

posted January 05, 2017 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:

I actually went and checked up Bilk in 5 people that I know for a fact have some deception issue in the way they handle money and serving the public, and it turned out to be prominent in their chart.

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5 charts? After an asteroid named after a town?

This is what i meant...

and it might be the case that i don't like Ami, i am no liar and hypocrite, i do not like her at all; however, this might come from her super-false, so often inaccurate - in the sense of inaccurate facts NOT interpretation - articles she publishes on here!
if you try to correct them: then she starts being passive-aggressive and calling anyone bullies...and so on. that's the Ami's game.
She is a poor victim who is getting bullied for doing mistakes.

posted January 05, 2017 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Sure, what else?

i meant: if you do research as a publishing integer astrologer, you must (and yeah i say must) be correct and a bit academic: name your sources, explain a bit the origin of the asteroid, so people can decide if they follow it or not. Otherwise it's totally misleading.

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posted January 05, 2017 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I can see why Amy Ann ignore people. Some of you want blood.

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well, since you jump to conclusions after checking 5 charts about an asteroid named after a town, no wonder you stick to that method and support Ami

posted January 05, 2017 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
it turned out to be prominent in their chart.

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Could you define what you mean with "prominent"?

And have you put down your research parameters BEFORE investigating a random sample of charts (the deceptive ones as well as the control group - I assume you DO have a control group, right?)

And no clue where that harrassment thing comes from again, I did not even mention Ami in my posts, but I am allowed to verbalize my own thoughts, right? Even if they shall disagree with some members here?
And if I disagree with certain methods, that surely is not harassment either.

posted January 05, 2017 02:44 PM            

You can do your own research since you fancy yourselves as methodological researchers and you can enlighten others and show how it must be done.

So from now on, I will be expecting to see some of you starting threads about asteroids, planets etc, showing the hundreds of charts you have culled to prove your point.

be the change you want to see.

posted January 05, 2017 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
oh no, I am not going to entertain some of you and participate in your little games.

You can do your own research since you fancy yourselves as methodological researchers and you can enlighten others and show how it must be done.

So from now on, I will be expecting to see some of you starting threads about asteroids, planets etc, showing the hundreds of charts you have culled to prove your point.

be the change you want to see.

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yeah, do liar research based on towns, that's not my business but if you publish your research as an astrologer, it would be nice & fair to mention that the asteroid is named after a town and be like "even though it was named after a town...it is far more amazing"

and you didn't get the point: it would be easy for Ami to just write the sources, the different inpterpretations and accent interpretations her or anything without doing 100s of charts

she is the one who claims to be an astrologer, mod of soo many years of experience, she is publishing articles on here, not me. She must be the leading example.
I am just a pupil who had gotten confused by her inaccurate articles and so i am really a bit irritated right now.

posted January 05, 2017 02:50 PM            

Nunya want to be the change you want to see.

posted January 05, 2017 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
just like I thought.

Nunya want to be the change you want to see.

...Taking note and moving on...

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I am also taking note. I don't want to interact with one who jumps to conclusions of liars research based on an asteroid that was named after a town.

posted January 05, 2017 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Enneline,

"h Aura, that has to do with Aura,"
Oh you wanna Take Aura away from my IC? Not going to happen, missy!

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maybe the asteroid aura has really something to do with aura despite being named after the rive aurajoki, i am serious you never know

but maybe you gonna feel home by sitting at the river? http://www.google.de/search?q=aurajoki&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8j4TB5KvRAhUDrRoKHRFPCcAQsAQILA&biw=1366&bih=662

posted January 05, 2017 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
I am also taking note. I don't want to interact with one who jumps to conclusions of liars research based on an asteroid that was named after a town.

Thank you for letting me know that you are that sort of people, I can avoid you in future and judging from your posts: you gonna avoid me as well. Great.

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posted January 05, 2017 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
chile, i don't give a f... You've already shown who you are to me.

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Yes, I am so nasty but chill down, Ami already cursed me and told me that karma will be turning against me

posted January 05, 2017 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yeah, I definitely love rivers.

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posted January 05, 2017 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:

You can do your own research since you fancy yourselves as methodological researchers and you can enlighten others and show how it must be done.

So from now on, I will be expecting to see some of you starting threads about asteroids, planets etc, showing the hundreds of charts you have culled to prove your point.

be the change you want to see.

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We don't have to change, we are already different from Ami.

* We do not play teacher
* We do not present our ideas as "articles"
* We do not use these articles to develop a client base.

The rest of us will post information about asteroids and make inquiries for the sake of learning.

Unlike Ami, we do not claim to have done formal research. At least, I don't remember anyone else referring to their research.

Ami consistently alludes to her body of research while never once proving she has actually done it. Do you see how this gets tiresome? Someone claiming to be an expert, when they are not?

We do not stand with an agenda to make our opinion be accepted as fact, the way Ami does.

posted January 05, 2017 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
We don't have to change, we are already different from Ami.

* We do not play teacher
* We do not present our ideas as "articles"
* We do not use these articles to develop a client base.

The rest of us will post information about asteroids and make inquiries for the sake of learning.

Unlike Ami, we do not claim to have done formal research. At least, I don't remember anyone else referring to their research.

Ami consistently alludes to her body of research while never once proving she has actually done it. Do you see how this gets tiresome? Someone claiming to be an expert, when they are not?

We do not stand with an agenda to make our opinion be accepted as fact, the way Ami does.

So you see, there is a difference.

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posted January 05, 2017 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Hear hear! The voice of reason returns.

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You're all the voice of reason, too. You know who I mean.