posted January 05, 2017 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
We don't have to change, we are already different from Ami.

* We do not play teacher
* We do not present our ideas as "articles"
* We do not use these articles to develop a client base.

The rest of us will post information about asteroids and make inquiries for the sake of learning.

Unlike Ami, we do not claim to have done formal research. At least, I don't remember anyone else referring to their research.

[b]Ami consistently alludes to her body of research while never once proving she has actually done it. Do you see how this gets tiresome? Someone claiming to be an expert, when they are not?

We do not stand with an agenda to make our opinion be accepted as fact, the way Ami does.

So you see, there is a difference.[/B]

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Ah, Faith. Where in THIS THREAD did Ami say I am a teacher, I am an expert, and I have done formal research, and this is an article?

Do you see how the obsession to bring up other threads and incidences in practically every thread Ami starts gets tiresome? Where it starts to look like people have an agenda?

posted January 05, 2017 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ah, Faith. Where in THIS THREAD did Ami say I am a teacher, I am an expert, and I have done formal research, and this is an article?

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1) She is teaching.
2) She consistently refers to her posts as articles. Are we supposed to assume this particular one is not an article?
3) Promotional signature:

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This is a business for her.

She is using this forum as a marketing tool, to the detriment of the social atmosphere here, as its tiresome to constantly have to challenge someone who aims to have their own ideas taken as astrological doctrine, and succeeds, partly because she claims her ideas are based on research which, again, no one has ever seen.

So, just because Ami wants this place to be her marketing platform does not bind us in any way to humor her.

posted January 05, 2017 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
1) She is teaching.
2) She consistently refers to her posts as articles. Are we supposed to assume this particular one is not an article?
3) Promotional signature:

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This is a business for her.

She is using this forum as a marketing tool, to the detriment of the social atmosphere here, as its tiresome to constantly have to challenge someone who aims to have their own ideas taken as astrological doctrine, and succeeds, partly because she claims her ideas are based on research which, again, no one has ever seen.

So, just because Ami wants this place to be her marketing platform does not bind us in any way to humor her.

If she runs into opposition continually it's because she is going against the grain of integrity, continually.[/B]

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posted January 05, 2017 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
1) She is teaching.
2) She consistently refers to her posts as articles. Are we supposed to assume this particular one is not an article?
3) Promotional signature:

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This is a [b]business for her.

She is using this forum as a marketing tool, to the detriment of the social atmosphere here, as its tiresome to constantly have to challenge someone who aims to have their own ideas taken as astrological doctrine, and succeeds, partly because she claims her ideas are based on research which, again, no one has ever seen.

So, just because Ami wants this place to be her marketing platform does not bind us in any way to humor her.

If she runs into opposition continually it's because she is going against the grain of integrity, continually.[/B]

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Is she the only one using this place as a marketing springboard? The answer is: No.

I can think of a couple of other astrologers just from the top of my head, who use this place as marketing platform.

As I recall, many people have used the Personal Readings forum as a way to hone their craft and develop a client base as tarot readers.

Anyone can come in on LL and use it as marketing forum. You can put a siggy in your profile, and use your participation here to get clients.

posted January 05, 2017 04:59 PM            

Ami just elicits these reactions. She receives criticism on the basis of who she is and what she does. Others also market from here, but they don't receive this type of criticism, because they are more trusted by the whole community.

For reasons we try and explain.

Highest among these reasons is, Ami starts off trying to tear people down and encourages people to distrust each other. Her "articles" elicit a counter-response of people tearing her ideas down instead, in an effort to protect whoever may be harmed by this line of thinking: that asteroid placements can signify guilt about serious matters.

She has actually referred to it as her own "brand" of astrology before.

posted January 05, 2017 05:50 PM            

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posted January 05, 2017 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Let me know what happens with the Bilk study, B! Thanks for standing up. I try not to let them get me down. Most people out there in the Astrology world and regular world are amazing. xox

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Don't you think it's one thing to mention to call an asteroid a cheater's asteroid that was named after a district of the German city Düsseldorf as a professional astrologer?
Of course you may have any interpretation you wanna have but this is not the point. You should mention Name and origin.

How do you think I and others felt when finding out that Bilk has been named after a German town? For my part I felt fooled and irritated.

posted January 05, 2017 07:11 PM            

Sources:

http://markandrewholmes.com/asteroid.html

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi

JPL gives the background of the asteroids' names.

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4425 Bilk
Discovered 1967 Oct. 30 by L. Kohoutek at Bergedorf.
Bilk is the district in the city of Düsseldorf where in 1843 Johann Benzenberg established a private observatory that he bequeathed to the city. C. Robert Luther discovered 24 minor planets from the observatory at Bilk during 1852-1890. The observatory was destroyed in 1943.

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Between 1852–1890, C. Robert Luther discovered 24 asteroids there, from Thetis, discovered on April 17, 1852 to Glauke, discovered February 20, 1890. These asteroids and planetoids are called the 24 Düsseldorf planets. The asteroid 4425 Bilk is named in honour of the observatory.

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Considering the whole history of the Bilk Observatory might stir up some insights: is the Bilk placement related to astronomy somehow? Is this person into making discoveries, but thwarted, as the Bilk Observatory was?

posted January 05, 2017 07:18 PM            

Like this one: http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/aarch09/0908aug/alex2.shtml
He says that Bilk was named after a German town but also said he has made observations that Bilk could literally mean Bilk.

posted January 05, 2017 07:21 PM            

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Of most recent memory is mega-fraudster Bernard Madoff, who famously ripped off investors to the tune of $65 million, the largest private investor fraud ever committed by a single individual. Born April 29, 1938 [see the full bio of Madoff in the January 2009 Daykeeper Journal], Madoff’s natal Bilk lies at 20 Aries, conjunct both natal Saturn (his career) at 11 Aries and natal Mercury (his powers of communication and persuasion) at 26 Aries retrograde, and squared to the Black Hole at 19 Capricorn, indicating the vast scale of his deception. Bilk also squares natal Pluto, ruling extreme wealth, at 27 Cancer

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Super wide orbs

posted January 05, 2017 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I've never heard of integer astrology before.

Super wide orbs

Can't say this supports the English meaning of Bilk at all.

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Might be an European term to use some sources

posted January 06, 2017 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Let me know what happens with the Bilk study, B! Thanks for standing up. I try not to let them get me down. Most people out there in the Astrology world and regular world are amazing. xox

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posted January 06, 2017 04:40 AM            

I want to thank you for the attempts of having a sincere astrological discussion and questioning about HOW asteroids work.

It`s also the reason why I even wrote my first post here.

There is that general method or "usus" associating the meaning of asteroids with their name and what the names mean in the collective consciousness.

There is also an approach, taking the discovery charts into consideration.

Both approaches are of course not above questioning or debate if that is the right way.

I think at the current time we don`t know. Asteroids SEEM to work in terms of their names and the collective associations with those names.

However, what does "work" really mean? Do they really work or is that a matter of our perception really?

That is why I meant that a more consistent research would be needed.

It`s always nice to find a handfull real life examples, but they are not really "proof", more like anecdotal evidence.

That is also why I would never consider the research on asteroids that I have done some years ago as serious, and certainly not proving anything beyond me thinking: "That might be interesting for further observation".

The only really extensive research I am aware of does not pertain to asteroids though but to Paul Westran`s research of progressed synastry.

I know though there are more researchers out there, possibly also for asteroids? Hopefully.

But anyway, whatever we present here is not research, it is anecdotal evidence, which is fine and might suffice for us personally, but certainly does not serve as general "proof".

This is NOT an attack to whatever any astrologer was doing on here, these are just my thoughts on the subject.

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posted January 06, 2017 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:

Chin up, Ami. This too shall pass. Eventually. At some point. When some harsh planet stops squaring or opposing one of your personal planets, lol...Who knows the astrological aspects behind all this? But I smell the usual suspects like Pluto or Saturn or even Chiron hard aspects.

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posted January 06, 2017 08:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I can see why Amy Ann ignore people. Some of you want blood.

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No, a liver

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posted January 06, 2017 08:49 AM            

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