posted January 03, 2017 06:45 PM            

2. Bilk (4425)Conjunct the North Node
There may be a life long theme of taking advantage of others financially.

3. Mercury square Neptune
I am not saying these natives WILL take advantage of you. I am saying that they may make a fantasy world and inhabit it. This could manifest in lies and other deceptions.

4. Mercury Oppose Neptune
These natives may, also, be able to deceive others by “playing loose with the truth”.

5 Lie(26955) Conjunct the Ascendant
If I had to have financial dealings with this native, I would watch everything.

6. Lie (26955)Conjunct the North Node
This native may have a life made up of a web of lies. If he told me I looked cute in that dress, I would return it.

7.Mercury Conjunct Neptune
These natives are wonderful story tellers. I think the closer conjunctions may be more problematic for living in fantasy, which may include lying and deception. I am not saying all natives with the Mercury/Neptune conjunction are liars, but all will have an excellent imagination!

8. Bilk (4425)Conjunct the MC
This native may take advantage of people on the job. He may be known as such.

9. Mercury Conjunct Lie(26955)
This native may lie, as a natural course of action.

10.. Mercury Conjunct Bilk(4425)
This native may be a schemer, particularly when it comes to financial schemes, both large and small. For example, if he fixes your toilet, he may buy a used part and jack up the price until you are paying for the cost of your Mercedes.

NOTE
People have asked me to define Bilk and Lie. I will add some dictionary definitions for you.

BILK

Ever paid a restaurant bill only to discover they charged you for stuff you never had? What they did was bilk you — cheat you out of money that was justly yours. Shady companies are forever bilking their investors.

To bilk someone is slightly different from plain robbing them, though the effect is the same; it implies a non-violent, subtle and devious method masquerading as legitimate. Bernie Madoff, the Ponzi scheme king, was a classic bilker. On a more enjoyable note, one of the greatest bilkers in TV history was the appropriately named Sergeant Bilko, played by the comedian Phil Silvers. His eternal card games, promotions and get-rich-quick schemes were all designed to part some poor sucker from their cash. Watch and learn from the master.

LIE

When you don’t tell the truth, you lie.

https://www.vocabulary.com/

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posted January 03, 2017 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Bilk(4425) Conjunct the Sun
I have a friend with this. He is my friend, but left to his own devices, he will take advantage of me monetarily.

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How do you even know this?

If he's done it to you before, why are you still friends?

If he's never done it, what are you accusing him for?

posted January 03, 2017 10:51 PM            

I don't want to pick at one person's placements that aren't "bad" in and of themselves, just to make a point. So I usually leave it alone.

posted January 05, 2017 03:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Bilk(4425) Conjunct the Sun
I have a friend with this. He is my friend, but left to his own devices, he will take advantage of me monetarily. Bilk does not seem to be major or minor crime, such s shoplifting, for example, as much as taking advantage of people.

2. Bilk (4425)Conjunct the North Node
There may be a life long theme of taking advantage of others financially.

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What NONSENSE you write!!!

asteroid Bilk was named after a district of the German city Düsseldorf! http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=4425

For god's sake, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!

You obviously just jump on the names of asteroids and use it for your marketing

posted January 05, 2017 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I have not used Bilk so far, but I will be checking it out.

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Bilk is totally unreal HOW accurate it is, B. I have so many reports of Bilk in the charts. It is very good to watch with people with whom you do business, too lol

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posted January 05, 2017 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Thank you, Ami. I second the observations regarding Mercury in hard aspect to Neptune.

In fact in synastry, I have noticed that this aspect usually indicate some kind of lie or deception going on, and it could be done by the mercury person or the Neptune person.

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This was more for the natal, B, but that is interesting about synastry.

posted January 05, 2017 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
asteroid Bilk was named after a district of the German city Düsseldorf!

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=4425

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Thank you, Enneline.

Don't get yourself all worked up over this though. It's just a forum, after all. We discuss, we disagree, we can post all the interpretations we like.

posted January 05, 2017 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Thank you, Enneline.

Don't get yourself all worked up over this though. It's just a forum, after all. We discuss, we disagree, we can post all the interpretations we like.

It'll all be here for people to see both sides and make an informed decision.

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don't worry about me this morning i was like "i know that name Bilk" , i am German and so i googled and was like "ah, i knew it"

of course: anyone is free to have his own interpretations; however, if you go to the level: asteroids are made of how you call them, you can't say that bilk is a cheaters asteroid if it is named after a district in Düsseldorf/Germany

posted January 05, 2017 01:23 PM            

What is more important I find is the meaning of the word, but it has to be very very close in pronounciation.

Just my observations of course.

and just for a moment entertaining the notion Bilk = swindle(r)

Wondering what in a synastry Pallas conjunct someone else`s Bilk exactly means; well Pallas is about seeing patterns, so seeing through someone else`s bilk?

posted January 05, 2017 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
don't worry about me this morning i was like "i know that name Bilk" , i am German and so i googled and was like "ah, i knew it"

of course: anyone is free to have his own interpretations; however, if you go to the level: asteroids are made of how you call them, you can't say that bilk is a cheaters asteroid if it is named after a district in Düsseldorf/Germany

i just don't want the people being totally mislead due to lazy and inaccurate research in case i discover something; however, sure, i have a life outside of LL and so there are many posts on here that have not been checked by me yet and will never be

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Yeah, of course - I agree! I did the same for Toro and Zavist (or something similar, not sure I'm spelling it right) on that other thread.

posted January 05, 2017 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wondering what in a synastry Pallas conjunct someone else`s Bilk exactly means; well Pallas is about seeing patterns, so seeing through someone else`s bilk?

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Ooh, that'd be interesting!

As for your earlier point, I see what you mean - and yeah, I'm sure in practice one may see it manifest in different ways. You (and other folks who are practitioners), would know - having seen those many charts.

I suppose all this nit-picking is not an end in itself, but the means to point out what we find distasteful about the author's method overall (at least that's what it is for me).

posted January 05, 2017 01:30 PM            

I mean if we take the planets into consideration and their naming, there is a certain archetypical pattern emerging, isn`t there?
No planet is named after anything but a God/Goddess.

Research is a bit difficult, as we are prone to find what we want to see anyway.

So if I am of the opinion Soulie means soulmate, I am sure I will find "proof" in many synastry that indeed it does.

Not because it really does, but because our expectations will influence what we find or how we categroize what we find.

Unless of course we apply very strict parameters for the research.

posted January 05, 2017 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

What is more important I find is the meaning of the word, but it has to be very very close in pronounciation.

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sure, it is free to interpretations. That's not my point. My point is, that other people might get totally misleaded or inaccurately informed or get a wrong sense of approaching asteroids or lose the faith in astrology (esp when they had known beforehand that Lilith was named after Lili Boulanger )

also, i think it's a bad ground/basis for research and conclusions thereof

For example let's take Bilk. It was named after a district and not after the English word. What if bilk means dog in an African language? So, any African with sun conj bilk is a loyal person and any English speaking people with sun conj bilk is a liar? And German people with sun conj bilk should move to Düsseldorf Germany?

I think it is the wrong way to say "ah, Bilk, that has to do with liars, ah Aura, that has to do with Aura, ah Lilith, that has to do with Adams wife",
i think it is the better way to say "Despite Lilith named after French composer Lili Boulange, the qualities i have observed over the years has done the name and not the person it was named after justice."
You get my point?

Also, some asteroids have hardly experienced any reserch, if any. It can be dangerous to get some conclusions too early

it would be correct and far fairer to say to people "even though Bilk was named after district, i have found it prominent in the charts of famed liars"

Imagine someone finds the asteroid nessus conjuncting his son's sun and starts being nasty to him? Do you get my point?

posted January 05, 2017 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
What NONSENSE you write!!!

[b]asteroid Bilk was named after a district of the German city Düsseldorf! http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=4425

For god's sake, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!

You obviously just jump on the names of asteroids and use it for your marketing

It's wrong, it's dangerous and it's irresponsible!!![/B]

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posted January 05, 2017 02:02 PM            

Haha, that scares me off asteroids too! I know I'll end up plugging in dozens and dozens and "see" patterns that probably don't even exist.

But I guess, this is where having multiple perspectives helps. Sort of like the threads you create exploring the meanings of certain asteroids - we can have inputs from many different people. Some might see it played out in the way it's been defined, some might not. We might reach some other conclusion entirely. That's fun to explore, as an accompaniment to the actual natal story.

@Belage,

posted January 05, 2017 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Enneline:
[b] What NONSENSE you write!!!

[b]asteroid Bilk was named after a district of the German city Düsseldorf! http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=4425

For god's sake, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!

You obviously just jump on the names of asteroids and use it for your marketing

It's wrong, it's dangerous and it's irresponsible!!![/B]

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Just because the asteroid was named after a particular town doesn't remove the fact that the word bilk in the english language means deception of some kind. [/B][/QUOTE]

see my post above yours

posted January 05, 2017 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:

@Belage,

I understand where you're coming from, but [b]Enneline's point was not merely the asteroid - though it may appear so on the surface. Her point was not about this asteroid, or ten others - it was just about astrological integrity of method.
And mine was about being open to discussion. [/B]

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Exactly, I don't think Ami Ann's method is integer; on the contrary, in my opinion it's irresponsible and dangerous, especially facing her function has a publishing astrologer and moderator

posted January 05, 2017 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
see my post above yours

any English speaking people with sun conj bilk are liars? And German people with sun conj bilk should move to Düsseldorf Germany?

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I don't think anyone can say with certainty that a planet or asteroid conjunct another planet with DEFINITELY make someone a particular way. So not everyone with sun conj bilk will be liar.

I understand the danger in typecasting and stereotyping, but to some extent, that's what we do as astrologers. We declare that Aries is forceful and fiery. We declare that Venus loves beauty and pleasures. We declare that Mercury is about mind communication. We state that Venus conjunct Pluto makes for passionate obsessive loving. Nobody gets worked up about those statements.

posted January 05, 2017 02:13 PM            

This is what we mean --- Astro Keen said it perfectly.

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Ami Anne,
The difficulty here is that you see all criticism as an expressions of bullying or someone bugging you and wanting to make you feel bad. Because you see it that way, which is a rather extreme reaction to your past, you take pride in ignoring criticisms. So, even if the criticisms are valid and serious, you will deny their validity. It is also more comfortable for you to think that you are right.

So, your defense mechanisms are preventing you from distinguishing between nastiness and valid criticisms. This poses a huge problem for you. It raises the question - how will you realise that you have made errors and, thereby, learn from your mistakes?

Incidentally, people who are getting exasperated by your walls of defense, give up on trying to reason with you and treat you like a child. You are, therefore, creating the situations that you are trying to get away from.

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I kinda want to sticky this so no-one forgets.