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Topic: Why, do some souls choose suicide?
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Gooberzlostlovefound
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From: and the embers never fade in your city by the lake
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted August 18, 2002 01:36 AM
 
NEHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Someone who understands! Everything you said....I somehow *meant* to get across, but unfortunately could not express as well as you did.  Sometimes I wish I could communicate better. "...but this freedom should not be used in a thoughtless and inconsiderate way." Anyway -- you get it! ------------------
And I can only be who I am in this suit of skin/cause we can only be who we are in our suit of scars/and we don't need any superpowers to see through these clothes/everybody, everybody knows/where the flowers grow. IP: Logged |
Elohim
Knowflake Posts: 509
From: the same Source as You.
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted August 18, 2002 05:50 AM
Neha, very well said!  ------------------
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 16464
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted August 18, 2002 06:47 AM
Where you been hiding, Neha? I found out why the Rainbow Diet doesn't work for so many people. I will be posting the answer very soon. Nice to see you back!  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
mambo
Knowflake Posts: 170
From: New Zealand
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted August 18, 2002 10:36 PM
Sorry I haven't repiled to all the comments.First, I had a friend from school that committed suicide 4 yrs ago. Now heres the crunch, he was very outgoing and liked by everyone but he still had something going on that he couldn't talk to people about or feel that he had the power to face on his own. His name was Jeff Hay. His mother now looks old and haggard compared to when Jeff was still alive. It's had a big effect on her. Second, I have suffered from serious depression, got to the stage where if I didn't have the courage to talk to a close friend who had 6 yrs experience in social work I may have ended my life. The risk was seen as so great that they took the firearms away from our house. This was only last year. Thirdly, NZ has the highest suicide rate amongst teens in the Western World and that the majority is male. This can be seen as a reflection on society where you cannot be male and strong if you are a sensitive Human Male. Men cannot talk about the personal things that are upsetting them as can Women because it is the typical stereotype of weakness, and to survive in this society you have to be hard. Also I am not going to take this personally, I am above that, but if you want to bring up these subjects and not be prepared for other peoples opinions then why post them? IP: Logged |
Gooberzlostlovefound
Knowflake Posts: 433
From: and the embers never fade in your city by the lake
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted August 19, 2002 01:05 AM
mambo~ You are free to post whatever you'd like, and you have a right to you own opinion. I used to expect sensitivity from the knowflakes here, but lately it just seems I shouldn't.------------------
And I can only be who I am in this suit of skin/cause we can only be who we are in our suit of scars/and we don't need any superpowers to see through these clothes/everybody, everybody knows/where the flowers grow. IP: Logged |
aquamoon
Knowflake Posts: 883
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Registered: Apr 2002
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posted August 19, 2002 02:17 AM
Randall, I don't know one person who has tried the rainbow diet and said that it works. That's because not one of them followed the diet to the letter. Either they goofed off on the foods once in a while or they couldn't be bothered with the visualisation bit or the bulbs required weren't available and they had to make do or whatever. Nobody I know or have heard of has ever done the diet the way it's supposed to be done. I'm interested to know what you're going to post!Hello Neha, have you tried the colour diet? What did you think?  Aquamoon IP: Logged |
mambo
Knowflake Posts: 170
From: New Zealand
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted August 19, 2002 09:32 AM
GooberI'm sorry you feel this way, you obviously like everyone agreeing with you and hate it when someone has a different view. Instead of berating me you should accept what I have to say whether you agree or not. One of the biggest lessons in life is to accept people will not necessarily have your views, and when you can do this you will be a better person for it. IP: Logged |
Elohim
Knowflake Posts: 509
From: the same Source as You.
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted August 19, 2002 11:04 AM
mambo, in your last-but-one post, you presented your side of the arguments quite well, without being harsh in any way. Although your last post too was not rude, it felt as if you were slightly irritated. I can understand that, in light of the tone of GLLF's post. Still, I request you to please stay with Peace for a while ... GLLF is usually very positive  , and something must have happened to make her take offence.  GLLF, you said, "I used to expect sensitivity from the knowflakes here, but lately it just seems I shouldn't."  If it is alright with you, I request you to please share the details with us. Insensitivity has no place at Lindaland; maybe the person who hurt you did not do so intentionally. So, if you speak about it now, it may help that person to explain their side of the events to you. If you have talked with that person about how their words hurt you, and it didn't help, you can send me an email. I will discuss it with the other Moderators, and we will watch that person for any other undesirable behavior. About mambo ~ though his first post (on the first page of this string) might have seemed rude, I feel he explained his position quite well in his second post. I truly feel he did not mean to be insensitive. Lots of Love and Light to you! May your sunshine be back soon! ------------------
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 16464
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted August 19, 2002 12:50 PM
Neha tried the Rainbow Diet to no avail, but I know of many who have done with amazing success. The main thing that stops it from working is something related to basic human nature.  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
mambo
Knowflake Posts: 170
From: New Zealand
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted August 19, 2002 05:13 PM
Hi Ra I appreciate your comment, but I have had personal experience and NZ does have the highest rate of teen suicide. At least thats what the Governments have been telling us.
There was no offence intended when I first posted and I thought this was an intelligent debate about suicide and I was expressing my view. There are two sides to a coin and people shouldn't take offence if my view differs from theirs.
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Elohim
Knowflake Posts: 509
From: the same Source as You.
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted August 20, 2002 11:35 AM
mambo, quote:
I thought this was an intelligent debate about suicide and I was expressing my view.
Yes, we do have intelligent debates, but suicide has more to do with one's emotions and spirit. Moreover, many who posted here have had personal experiences wih it, so it is understandable if this string evokes strong emotions from them.
That said, we all appreciate your ONIONS very much. Please keep them coming! ------------------
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mambo
Knowflake Posts: 170
From: New Zealand
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted August 20, 2002 05:47 PM
Sorry Elohim, I thought Ra had posted that.Goober, and anyone else please accept my sincerest apology for upsetting you. IP: Logged |
Gooberzlostlovefound
Knowflake Posts: 433
From: and the embers never fade in your city by the lake
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted August 21, 2002 01:52 AM
mambo~ I'm actually pretty tolerant of others views, at least, usually. :grin ....I hope you will get to know me and see what I'm all about.Elohim~ I'll email you. Peace. ------------------
And I can only be who I am in this suit of skin/cause we can only be who we are in our suit of scars/and we don't need any superpowers to see through these clothes/everybody, everybody knows/where the flowers grow. IP: Logged |
Elohim
Knowflake Posts: 509
From: the same Source as You.
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted August 21, 2002 06:50 AM
All is well that ends well.  Apologizing and Forgiving are both worthy of angels. Lindaland is proud of you both!  ------------------
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Blue M
Knowflake Posts: 166
From: Illinois, USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted August 25, 2002 01:06 AM
I am just curious where your soul goes if you committ suicide? Someone contemplating suicide is in very deep pain. Anyone thinking about suicide also feels unloved and alone with no hope in sight. Those are the basic reasons for someone to committ suicide. Many people feel these same emotions, but there may be a few differences from people who actually go ahead with the act and those who think about ending their lives.One of those reasons is fear or religious beliefs. I was always God would forgive you for anything except suicide. I was told if you committ suicide you would go to hell, no question about it. I also heared if you committ suicide you would have to repeat your entire life. It seemed kinda strange to me to repeat your entire life. How would all the situations in your life now repeat themselves at a later time. It just did not seem possible. But to be quite honest I do think some of those people who committ suicide who are in pain do want to stick it to the people who did not give them enough love or the people who hurt them or made them feel alone. Just an opinon, but its mine. IP: Logged |
pearly
Knowflake Posts: 554
From: Neptune, Milky Way, Universe
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted August 25, 2002 03:48 AM
This is a very sensitive topic here and I realize many have experience with it. I recently had an issue with a person who used to be a significant other (but who is also a friend) threatening to commit suicide.During our relationship he would use this threat as a last resort whenever the relationship was going to dissolve. Well, it kinda worked because I was so nice to him and always worried, but when I think about it I feel like it was abusive and selfish of him. I had alot of reason to believe he'd go through with it as he is bi-polar and suffers from serious depression and anxiety. Strangely enough he is a successful person as far as career and "things" go, but when he gets low, he will not act rational. Sometimes I would think he was just being dramatic and other times I couldn't tell. Anyway, he used this suicide threat all through our relationship and now that we are over he has used it a couple more times. Now I refuse to listen to him (even though I feel bad for him) but I've had to realize that it wouldn't be my fault if he did do it.... although he always said it would be. I now see it as a very manipulative and mean thing he was doing to me (and others, like his parents). He always had me in tears trying to relax him and such. However, I realize this is NOT always the case with people who contemplate or actually commit the act. I feel like there may be several categories of suicide reasons. I tend to believe that most are caused by desperation and emotional pain. But I do believe there may be other types of suicides as well. Any thoughts?  Pearl IP: Logged |
Neha
Knowflake Posts: 26
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Registered: Apr 2001
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posted August 26, 2002 01:28 AM
Hi Randall,
Ive ALWAYS been here, I just dont post. Not that I dont want to, I just never know what to say about most of the topics. This topic, however, is something that I can say things about. Anyways, what is it about the Rainbow Diet that makes it not work?Neha IP: Logged |
Montana Rain
Knowflake Posts: 46
From: Philipsburg,Montana-USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted August 26, 2002 01:54 PM
Good morning, everyone:
It seems like,I find alot of topics, that have been burried for to long in me when I come here.My sister that was closest to me committed suicide, August 1, 1993. Mary, the beautiful Pisces, long flaming red hair and hazel eyes like mine. Two beautiful daughters and a redheaded granddaughter. Why? She told me she would never commit suicide, because of the looks that would be on her daughters face's. She went to bed that night with her boyfriend, got up to get a drink of water, came back, and told Paul,"Well, I can't kill you," layed down, and put a 22 bullet in her heart,so... They found his prints on the gun also...he grabed it out of her hands and threw it on the dresser, they had a very violent relationship,yet she was the one that died. You never forget the screams of your mother, her daughters, as they view the body. Mary was 40, when me and my sisters and brothers carried her coffin to her grave. She comes to me in dreams now...My Pisces accendent her Pisces sun, I don't know, she told me if I wanted to know,what happend, that she helped make Angel Cards and I would find out through them,I have recently found the cards that looked like the ones she talked about in the dream. I haven't asked them yet...Peace to your Soul Love to your Heart,Montana Rain IP: Logged |
Aphrodite
Moderator Posts: 3280
From: San Francisco, CA, United States
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted August 26, 2002 02:01 PM
Montana Rain  *big hugs for you* aphrodite IP: Logged |
StarLover33
Moderator Posts: 1987
From: King Arthur's Camelot
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted August 26, 2002 04:43 PM
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Montana Rain
Knowflake Posts: 46
From: Philipsburg,Montana-USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted August 26, 2002 05:07 PM
Hello to all:
Thanks Aphrodite, I needed that.
Some times we don't know why people choose to take their lives, it is a hard chioce, but they choose. My sister taking her life (???)
gave me the first hand choice of why I would never put my family through it again,a vow I made to my son's. A heart cries bitter sweet tears and then it cries no more. Im pretty emotional and it doesn't sound like Im making much sense, but, that's ok too. One of Mary's favorite songs, that we played at the funeral was Billy Idols, "White Wedding", maybe she thought it was a good day to start again. Life and Love to everyone.Peace to your Soul Love to your Heart, Montana Rain IP: Logged |
aquamoon
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posted August 27, 2002 02:16 AM
Montana Rain,Peace to your Soul, Love to your Heart. IP: Logged |
Muse1
Knowflake Posts: 200
From: MD, USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted August 31, 2002 01:10 PM
Hi
I just wanted share a little insight. I have not read everything here but I do believe we are in control of our destiny mind body and soul. I have suffered depression on and off since I was a kid, the first time I think I was 8 I still remember the pain it goes deep in the soul.
Last year my cousin’s wife committed suicide she had 2 beautiful daughters and a grand son. The first reaction I had I was sad and scared, I decide I didn’t want to end up like that. My second reaction was anger. My mother kept telling me how my cousin (who divorced his wife) was feeling bad because of how he had treated her, and how my aunt felt. I couldn’t believe it the lack of understanding, now they were making it about them, while she was alive nothing was done and they both came from well to do families. My cousin’s wife had been having depression for a long long time and what my family did instead of understanding her or trying to get help did so many things to hurt her instead…… Recently a friend from work came and told me her sister tried to commit suicide. She said that her family and her couldn’t understand why her sister was so self destructive, negative, etc…. From the most part human nature is not only very selfish but also quite self-destructive. Like I told a friend when we buy somebody a gift we do it because it makes the other person happy but because we feel happy when the other person is happy, as long as whatever we do is productive and doesn’t hurt the circle of life we will be happy. People always focus on the people left behind but we never focus on the pain that the soul is suffering. Like my doctor once told me it is like a mental handicap that no one sees, or the see but don’t want to deal with it. Most of the time people that actually have committed suicide it’s because they have been suffering for long time and it keeps getting worst and for the most part I would like to think that when the soul comes back whatever life they choose is better life.
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Muse1
Knowflake Posts: 200
From: MD, USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted August 31, 2002 01:21 PM
Hi
I just wanted share a little insight. I have not read everything here but I do believe we are in control of our destiny mind body and soul. I have suffered depression on and off since I was a kid, the first time I think I was 8 I still remember the pain it goes deep in the soul.
Last year my cousin’s wife committed suicide she had 2 beautiful daughters and a grand son. The first reaction I had I was sad and scared, I decide I didn’t want to end up like that. My second reaction was anger. My mother kept telling me how my cousin (who divorced his wife) was feeling bad because of how he had treated her, and how my aunt felt. I couldn’t believe it the lack of understanding, now they were making it about them, while she was alive nothing was done and they both came from well to do families. My cousin’s wife had been having depression for a long long time and what my family did instead of understanding her or trying to get help did so many things to hurt her instead…… Recently a friend from work came and told me her sister tried to commit suicide. She said that her family and her couldn’t understand why her sister was so self destructive, negative, etc…. From the most part human nature is not only very selfish but also quite self-destructive. Like I told a friend when we buy somebody a gift we do it because it makes the other person happy but because we feel happy when the other person is happy, as long as whatever we do is productive and doesn’t hurt the circle of life we will be happy. People always focus on the people left behind but we never focus on the pain that the soul is suffering. Like my doctor once told me it is like a mental handicap that no one sees, or the see but don’t want to deal with it. Most of the time people that actually have committed suicide it’s because they have been suffering for long time and it keeps getting worst and for the most part I would like to think that when the soul comes back whatever life they choose is better life.
Muse1
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RubyRedRam
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posted December 01, 2002 08:23 AM
I have had alot of people close to me commit suicide, all of them diferent in their own way. My first experience was when I was 11 and my cousin, who was more like a big brother killed himself. He was so loved by everyone and always had so much love and he always seemed happy! When he did it I got very angry as I herd many relatives saying things like ' its a selfish act' and 'why couldnt he have just come to one of us with his problems'.For anyone that hasnt contemplated suicide, you can not understand how it feels. Are we the selfish ones for wanting to keep people here who want to leave? What right do we have to judge their decision? Yes, it brings so much hurt and pain...I've felt it. I know what its like to lie in bed at night and scream out 'why'? I do know that one day, when I meet these people again, they will tell me why and I will understand. About two years ago I had to revive a friend who had overdosed, later at the hospital she looked at me with such pain in her eyes and said 'you should have let me go, that was my decision to make, not yours'. She has never spoken to me since. I asked another friend who had attempted suicide and I told her I couldnt understand ever wanting to do it and she said ' you just feel that it really is the best thing to do'. Personally I have never felt suicidal at any time and I hope I never do. To those who have loved and lost, my love to all of you. To those who feel suicidal; please...just give life chance.....we love and need you here (even if it is selfish of us)  IP: Logged |
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