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posted July 15, 2002 09:50 AM         

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posted July 15, 2002 10:18 AM         

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On the human level, it seems that they do not feel strong enough to tackle life's problems.

On the Higher s-Elf level ~ I am not sure if any Higher s-Elf would plan a suicide (in the life of their human incarnation). Maybe for some higher purpose ... or maybe, after the soulp purpose of that lifetime has been accomplished. However, this could be wrong too. The Rosicrucians believe that those who commit suicide have to return back to Earth to complete the remaining duration of the life they cut short. If this is really what happens, it seems to indicate that 'suicide' is never chosen on the Higher S-elf's level.

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posted July 16, 2002 11:19 AM         

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Isn't every death suicide?

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posted July 16, 2002 12:00 PM         

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Sadly that is what it looks like....when anyone choices death.......except for people killed in accidents but even then ....is it really an accident. I'm choosing to live at this point in my life.

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posted July 16, 2002 01:36 PM         

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I think if Randall is correct and every death is suicide. Maybe a person that commits the act of suicide is actually teacing a lesson to the people who were left behind. Also the pain that the person suffered would be enough to repay his/her karmic debt. So I don't think they would have to suffer the same in the next life. It takes a lot of pain for someone to commit suicide...isn't that enough of a lesson to learn?

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posted July 16, 2002 10:34 PM         

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Personally I know how it is to wanna die, because there are things in life that are worse then dying. At one time I couldn't wait to die just out of curiosity. But at other times I actually thought of suicide, when things were tough. But now I believe we're going through what we must go through and survive it. And suicide at those times would be like an easy way out. Recently a close friend said she wanted to die, I spent the whole weekend trying to convince her not to. But then again most times when someone commits suicide they don't tell anyone, then the people that go around telling people wouln't actually do it. Anyways I hope so!

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posted July 17, 2002 01:13 AM         

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I do not believe that those who commite suicide are weak. I don't think it is an issue of strength. People who take their own lives aren't weaklings who feel they can't "cope with life's problems." They are in a tremendous amout of pain that others don't understand. People commit suicide when the level of their pain outweighs their resources to cope with the pain. I dont' belive there would be a karmic debt.

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posted July 20, 2002 07:36 PM         

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This is such a sensitive subject, especially if you know anyone that has commited suicide and have had to deal with the pain and loss it causes. I think that when you choose to end your life you go to a place where your heart is healed and when you are ready you are shown what your purpose was in that life and why it may have been neccessary to go through whatever pain you may have felt. Then you are free to choose your next life, one that will give you the opportunity to evolve. I'm not an expert or anything, this is just my opinion!

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posted July 21, 2002 05:02 AM         

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Hi everyone, i haven't been on one of these sites for awhile.
it is good to hear your opinion on this subject.I have spent many years deliberating these questions. My mother took her own life about five years ago. it is a long story but she had spent most of her life fighting depression and had attempted to end it many times.
You might be right in saying that it is like any other death, it happened after so many attempts, when it was time and not earlier on.
i feel that she will have to come back and complete her life as the Roscrution church believe.
After my moms death I was desperate to find out if she was alright. Numerous psychic mediums told me that she is well but is in a state of rest and her soul has to go through the traumatic death and come to peace with it before she can move on.
I don't know if her death had anything to do with karma and sorts, she regretted so many things and really tortured herself with them. I agree with you Gooberzloveslostfound, nobody can understand the pain and the pain eventually outweighes the lust for life.
Another thing that i was told is that the soul does feel all the peoples pain they left behind to deal with their death, and most often there are many unanswered questions.

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posted July 21, 2002 06:20 AM         

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Welcome to Lindaland, Sapphire!

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posted July 21, 2002 06:30 AM         

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Welcome to Lindaland, Sapphire!

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posted July 21, 2002 02:49 PM         

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Welcome Sapphire & Siamese Dream

I have 3 darling siamese

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posted July 28, 2002 11:07 PM         

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I have to disagree.

Edgar Cayce in his readings on various people said that suicide was often the case of these people reliving their past lives. In the readings it said that most of these "victims" committed suicide out of pride or a way to get revenge on the people around them. The people that went to EC were depressed, couldn't find love, had few or no friends and this was there reward for suicide in a previous life.

I'm no stranger to suicide. I have gotten close on one occasion, but I realised this was not going to help...with support from friends and family I overcame the depression and feelings for suicide and these days I don't get depressed. It was only 18 mths ago. I haven't changed any thing drastically in my life.

People that commit suicide are selfish and don't care about the people left behind.

We are here to learn and cutting short your life here is just taking the easy way out. You will have to experience the same conditions that brought this about in the next life and the Karma would be heavy.

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posted July 29, 2002 02:28 AM         

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If it were only that simple. And there's nothing *easy* about taking your own life. You don't end your own life to take revenge on another person unless you are seriously in the depths of despair. If your life urges are stronger than your death urges, there is NO WAY in this world you're going to kill yourself to prove anything to anyone. You're not going to cut off your nose to spite your face to prove a point to the world that you wouldn't know even got through. What you refer to as revenge would stem from deep insecurity and the feeling of being ALONE and UNLOVED (which is what all suicides finally boil down to). No, it's not a happy time for the people left behind, but when you get to the point where you want to stop living - are you really going to care about anyone else when you've lost the ability to care for yourself?
Do happy, healthy people commit suicide for revenge???
There's ALWAYS a different perspective... If we just looked hard enough, we'd see.

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posted August 01, 2002 05:53 PM         

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Martyers commit the act of suicide for religion, but that may not always be the case. Especially those suicide bombers. I'm sure that Edgar Cayce means that kind of selfishness.

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posted August 13, 2002 08:31 AM         

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From personal experience, the only person who's come close to describing how it feels is Gooberlostlovefound, read her post if you really want to try to understand someone in this position. She's right, I didn't tell anyone what I was thinking, just made all my arrangements for how I was going to do it, put my affairs in order and went ahead one evening and I know that if the thoughts come close again I also won't tell anyone.

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posted August 13, 2002 01:19 PM         

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Also from personal experience,I think everyone has their own reason for committing suicide,if they do.Whatever your reason might be,beverly,please don't kill yourself !

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posted August 14, 2002 08:44 AM         

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And, Scorpia, please don't kill yourself either.

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posted August 14, 2002 12:12 PM         

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I second Spiritua!!! I think I remember you saying something,long long long ago,about how this was to be your last Earth incarnation.Is my memory failing??Anyway,ending it prematurely would be bad,wouldn't it?
Okay,love and light

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posted August 17, 2002 02:43 AM         

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Wow! I'm sorry I never went back to see the replies. I have a lot to say....

First off, beverley~ I'm happy you understand what I meant.

This is a sensitive topic for me because my best friend attempted suicide, as well as another one of my friend's mom, who actually did die.

mambo~ You post was one of the most offensive, not to mention blatantly hurtful posts I have seen on this site for a while. Others have posted mentioning their own experiences of attempted suicide and then you post that suicide is selfish? How do you think that made everyone else feel?

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posted August 17, 2002 08:28 AM         

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True, those contemplating suicide are usually feeling a lot of hurt.

But it is also true that the loved ones who are left behind often have a traumatic time dealing with their loss.

I feel mambo did not mean to hurt anyone; what he said was probably due to an oversight, not due to malice. Mambo?

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posted August 17, 2002 03:17 PM         

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I swa no malice in what Mambo said. It's his opinion. I do see how suicide can be a selfish decision, especially when a parent of young children decides to do so. But that's just my ONION.

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posted August 17, 2002 03:23 PM         

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Yes, I know about the pain left behind for the family. *My friend's mom killed herself.* This is a subject I am familiar with. But to post that people kill themselves for revenge on others is just plain wrong. I know my friend's mom didn't kill herself to get back at her daughter, and if I ever suggested that to her she would never speak to me again.

mambo~ just keep in mind *who* is replying to this post. Most have had very personal experiences with suicide.

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posted August 17, 2002 09:40 PM         

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Randall~ I can understand why you'd think that, although let me just say that those who do kill themselves are going through so much pain that it is obviously what they consider their "last option." But I knew that you'd say that, it was no shock to me.

Believe me, I don't think it's a good choice, but as human beings, *I believe we should have compassion for one another.* Perhaps people who are so desperate and in so much pain are more to be pitied than scorned.

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posted August 17, 2002 11:36 PM         

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I often contemplated suicide, especially when i was younger. The whole year that I was thirteen, I thought about it EVERYday. It was not out of revenge or selfishness. I love my mother and sister to death, I would never want to harm them...and that thought did stop me from doing it. I totally understand why it can be seen as a selfish decision, but some souls who resort to suicide see it as a selfLESS act. That mother who commited suicide probably thought that her daughter was better off without her. Thats what I thought, that I was a burden that my family didnt need. For those of you who assume that it is a selfish act, you probably have (fortunately)never experienced true depression. But what ever you do, do not say it is selfish unless you know the past of who you are talking to. For example, there are people on this message board who have loved ones who have commited suicide. In this case, thinking that it is selfish is something you should keep to yourself. I know this place revolves around freedom for expressing our thoughts, but this freedom should not be used in a thoughtless and inconsiderate way.

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