posted December 09, 2004 01:47 PM         

I CAN'T ANYMORE!

I dunno, I pushed my sweet sweet Pisces away
because for some reason it makes sense to me
to push the people I'm falling in love with away. But that's another thing altogether.

Would I be wrong to have a one night stand?

(Linda yells HECK YEAH!)

posted December 09, 2004 02:48 PM         

Trust me, you don't want to repress your NEEDS, it is the last thing you want to do. It's perfectly understandable, but you don't want to make a stupid descision either. Just go with your instincts!

posted December 09, 2004 02:57 PM         

Sex without love. . .

posted December 09, 2004 02:59 PM         

Marcia...Im starting to think you and I are twin souls...lol. Youre a Leo too right? My daughters father was a pisces, best sex Ive ever had...but I pushed him away too. But only cuz he was such a crybaby (theres the leo pride talking again) and I also push people who I fall in love with me away. I get bored easily I guess...lol.

Regarding the one night stand, I dont know, Ive had my share.... But in this day and age you never know... its your call. I dont think they are terribly that wrong.

There are options, you can date and not get serious. Let the guys you are dating know that you dont want strings attatched.

posted December 09, 2004 03:24 PM         

Post your chart whenever you get a chance
maybe we can try to compare (with a lil help)

posted December 09, 2004 11:20 PM         

And it's not because I've only had bad sex. So not true. Yeah, I enjoy it, but at the same time, I could take it or leave it.

It's like if you done it a million times, you've done it once. .....Does that make sense? .....To me it does.

I think the way most people have - and view sex is very low level and animalistic, when it is a very sacred spiritual thing. Not that it cant ever be fun and light, but for a majority of the population it's a game, and they dont even know it. Power, conquest, the chase, ego fulfilment, out of control desires, mind manipulation/control from the media, watching too many soap operas and reading too many bad romance novels.......And I believe they're playing with fire. There is a huge spiritual aspect to it and dangers involved when you mix your energy with others, just for fun.

Personally I dont like one night stands. The best sex I've ever had is when it's been with someone I love and have been with for awhile. To me it just gets better with the same person over time. I dont think it's "wrong" to have one night stands - to each their own - but I dont think it's helpful people's spiritual growth, and we are spiritual beings - no way around that. If you need it that bad, masturbate. That's always fun. Or like pixie said, get a toy. That's always even "funner".

“Sex is man’s most vibrant energy, but it should not be an end unto itself; sex should lead man to his soul.” ~ Osho, From Sex to Superconsciousness (great book, I dont have it yet, but I know it is because all of his books that I have read, are. )

To me it sounds like you want to find love more than have sex, marcia. But it will happen when it's meant to. You still have inner walls to tear down.... or not. We all do and when you want something bad enough you will get it, in one way or another. Just dont hurt yourself more in the process. Best of luck.

Sorry for the rant.....it's my Virgo Moon I think. lol

This is interesting: (on spiritual implications of sex - I posted the link below if you want to read the whole thing)

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What do you most want to get out of sex?

Does this sound like a "no brainer" question? Well, the answer's not as obvious as it might seem. Do you want sex purely for the sensation of the orgasm, or do you desire all the kissing and caressing that goes with sex just as much, or more? (This is very healthy and more common with women.) Are you using it with a sense of sacredness to enhance your expression of the profound love you feel for the precious soul you are with? Maybe you mostly desire to please your partner, and fear losing them more than you desire the sex itself. Maybe you desire most the security of having others know that you’re in a sexual relationship, which brings you a feeling of self-worth and the appearance of being “normal”. Or maybe you desire most to able to tell your buddies that you chalked up another hit. You might enjoy most the ability to use sex to control your partner/s (which is usually a subconscious motive). Or maybe you are using sex to numb out your conscience or the pain of your soul who’s crying out for you to heed its real needs and prompts. Often the most deep-rooted desire is reunion with God or our soul mate or “twin flame”, who we were created with. The spiritual teaching on this subject has been largely forgotten in our modern cultures. For many people, the only way they know to fulfill this deep yearning of their soul for reunion with the beloved is through worldly sex. The ideal is to realise the fact that on the spiritual level you are already united and whole, and when you have sex it is done as a sacred ritual in celebration of that wholeness. Oh! We almost forgot what many want most to get out of sex: Do you want to conceive a child and start a family?

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(from the same article: ) I find it interesting that I found this and the Lexigram I did for you talked about Kundalini.......

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The Kundalini.

This section is for those who wish to go deeper into the nature of sexual desire. According to ancient spiritual teachings, this sexual desire we’ve been speaking of is one of the consequences of the rising of the Life Force or sacred fire energy within us called the Kundalini. It has been known about either intuitively of via the inner teachings of all cultures for centuries. It is what was symbolised by the brazen serpent coiled around a pole that Moses held up in front of the people of Israel in the desert. Just looking upon it healed them. The esoteric teaching behind it is that looking upon it stimulated the rising of the Kundalini that nourishes and heals the body. Kundalini literally means “coiled-up serpent”; coiled energy in latency at the base-of-the-spine chakra (energy centre) and rises to the crown chakra, quickening the spiritual centres on the way. It rises through spiritual disciplines, specific yogic techniques or intense love of God.

The function of this sacred fire is to provide the small amount of energy needed to sustain our normal bodily functions, including procreation, mainly through our lower energy centres. The rest is intended for our creativity, service and spiritual growth, mainly through our upper energy centres. A lack of energy and vitality can be indicative of using up too much unnecessary energy through self-limiting habits patterns like fear, pride and self-indulgence, including gluttony, lust and other unwholesome appetites. This is sometimes called misqualified energy, karma or sin. Much of it has been diverted right in the beginning at the base of the spine into sexuality that was not based on the giving of pure love to another.

Negative and positive desires.

Our true nature as an immortal spirit is whole, balanced and full of vitality (from the raised Kundalini). Our true needs are already met, and our soul’s desire is to be a creative force of wise, powerful love in the world to serve humanity and to outpicture our full God potential. This is a positive or Real desire, as we desire to be more of our Real Self, and it raises us to a higher level of being (or raises the vibration level of our aura). A negative desire, like lust or jealousy, based on ignorance of who we really are, tries to selfishly get something like a satisfying sensation that we don’t really need. It is also not creative and lowers our energy level. And the funny thing about negative desires is that they are never fully satisfied. The more you get, the more you want. Sound familiar?
”Sensual pleasure is followed by pain, but it is a characteristic of real joy that it never changes into it’s opposite.” – Seneca
The telling sign of an unwholesome appetite (negative desire) is that a little bit doesn’t make you feel better. It makes you feel more “hungry”. (That’s probably why the Internet pornography business is booming.) It is the type of desire that Gautama Buddha spoke about when he said in his Four Noble Truths that suffering is caused by desire. Lust is a good example. And the real bad news is that when we get hooked on a negative desire, it attracts discarnate entities. This is a subject that most people don’t like thinking about, but it is true. And it explains a lot of things in this world that bewilders people, like what drives some people to be murderers, rapists and pedophiles. There is more on entities on the Spiritual Balance 2 page under The Subject of Evil.

Diverting your vitality.

So, back to diverting the Kundalini. The higher your sexual activity, the greater the pathway or channel that diverts the rising energy that is intended for our vitality. What you put your attention on, grows. So if you feel a desire for sex, and you choose to indulge it (either in sex or by looking at pornography etc.), you are helping that diversion channel to grow. This is why, for most of us, it has become a self-programmed response that when the rising Kundalini hits a diversion into the lower energy centres, we don’t just feel an energy sensation that needs redirecting. We skip that first step and go straight into the old habit of feeling the desire for sex. And the longer you wait, the more self-control and energy it takes to redirect it back up the spine, and the less vitality we have for achieving our goals. It also saps the energy and willpower we will need to deal with this energy the next time it comes along. There is always a price you pay for everything, and the price you pay for excessive sexual indulgence can be heavy. This subject will be covered in more detail in the section “Advantages of (periods of) celibacy” below.

”All power comes from the preservation of and sublimation of the vitality that is responsible for the creation of life. This vitality is continuously and even unconsciously dissipated by evil or even rambling, disorderly, unwanted thoughts. … If man is after the image of God, he has but to will a thing in the limited sphere allotted to him and it becomes. Such power is impossible to one who dissipates his energy in any way whatsoever.” – Gandhi.

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posted December 10, 2004 03:05 AM         

Glad you enjoyed that article. Interesting wasnt it? I do believe there are benefits to celibacy but a life of celibacy isnt for most people. I do agree it can be beneficial and worthwhile though. Yes, your energy goes, and grows wherever you focus it. It's a simple truth but can be hard to control at first. I think sexual energy is all about balance. Sex is natural. We, for the most part just have unnatural/unhealthy views/thoughts on it. I think you might find this interesting:

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The West seems to be obsessed with with sex? People are stuffed with endless techniques and porno images, why?

Osho:

It is not a question of West or East. Both are obsessed with sex -- of course, in different ways. The West is indulgent, the East is repressive, but the obsession is the same. And the significant question is: Why is the West so indulgent? It is two thousand years of Christianity and its repressive methods that have brought this indulgence.

The East is repressive; sooner or later, it is going to become indulgent. The mind of man moves like a pendulum, from the right to the left, from the left to the right. And remember, while the pendulum is moving to the right it is gaining momentum to move to the left, and vice versa. It appears it is going to the left, but it is gaining momentum, energy, to go to the right.

When a society is repressive it is gaining momentum to become indulgent, and when a society is indulgent it is gaining momentum again to become repressive. So a strange thing is bound to happen, and in fact, it is happening: the West has been indulgent for a few decades and the repressive trend is arising again. There are many cults which preach celibacy now.

The Hare Krishna movement preaches celibacy, brahmacharya, and thousands of people have become interested in it. And there are many cults arising which are all agreed on one point: that sex has to be repressed.

In the name of yoga, in the name of Zen, in the name of Christianity, many cults are arising which are again repressive.

The West will become repressive soon. And in the East, the number of porno magazines is growing every day; porno movies are coming more and more. The East is a little slow in everything, a little lazy in everything, so it takes a little longer.

The West moves with speed. But the East is becoming West and the West is becoming East, and that is one of the greatest problems. If this happens, then the misery remains the same. Again the pendulum has moved and again you will go on doing the same things.

This has happened many times in the past. A repressive society becomes indulgent sooner or later. When the repression comes to a point where you cannot repress it anymore it explodes: people go berserk. Or when a society has been very indulgent it starts seeing the futility of it, the sheer wastage of energy.

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You ask, "The West seems to be obsessed with sex." It is not true only about the West. The whole of humanity, up to now, has remained obsessed with sex, and it is going to remain so unless we change the whole gestalt.

Up to now the gestalt has been repression/indulgence, indulgence/repression, going on moving between these two. We have to stop exactly in the middle. Have you ever tried to stop the pendulum of a clock in the middle? What happens? The clock stops. The time stops.

That's my effort here. I don't want you to be indulgent and I don't want you to be repressive. I would like you to be balanced, just in the middle. It is in the middle that transcendence is possible, and it is in the middle that we can create a humanity which will be neither Eastern nor Western.

And it is immensely needed, urgently needed, that a man comes on the earth which is neither Eastern nor Western: a new kind of man with a new vision, freed of all the bondage of the past.

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Here's is another interesting link: http://www.dlshq.org/teachings/brahmacharya.htm

posted December 10, 2004 08:55 AM         

francesca@rock.com

posted December 10, 2004 07:08 PM         

taurus26 ..yes I agree you amaze me too you definitely did your research! Thank you sooo much for sharing that info, it definitely helped me feel better
If we look back to the Feminine Mystique times we can see an obvious shift from repression to indulgence in (what i consider) a backfire of the Women's Movement as just one example.....I am very thankful for women's liberation! but I now we just plain exploiting ouselves and losing respect in different ways...a great book that discusses this is The Beuaty Myth by Naomi Woolf

I hope I didn't offend anyone with my passionate response...I don't judge anyone else's point of view, you will find I always try to be diplomatic, I just this would be a good time to get this off my chest pheewwwwwwwww

******this is my first post here, I've been a little nervous about write anything..I'm a shy pussycat Leo, at first :P but you guys seem so loving and sincere, I can't help but feel more comfortable around you. I'm so glad this sight was created, thanks Randall!! And I look forward to sharing more with all of you!