posted June 26, 2014 10:11 AM            

yes, unfortunately, this thread is likely to arouse some painful memories, most ex-relationships involve some sort of pain, it is the same for me, although now we are more detached and can analyze objectively.

posted June 26, 2014 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
Chart looks so blah!

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posted June 26, 2014 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
awww....I'm sorry you don't know his year. Maybe you could ask him?

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posted June 26, 2014 12:11 PM            

I think I know why this relationship didn't turn into an established one. It's a very interesting synastry/comp from this point of view.

IMO, this relationship is an important spiritual lesson for you, regarding relationships, rather than being a romantic situation per se.

There is a disconnection in the synastry between the overlays and the aspects themselves. There are important overlays in the love houses for both people - especially for him (5th and 7th) - for you, only the 8th and some overlays pointing to identity lessons (connected to the 1st house). This makes me think he initially saw you as a possible romantic partner. For you, it is mainly an important transformative issue. But the aspects themselves are friendship aspects, in their best form, rather than romantic/erotic in nature. They involve many outer planets which are not love planets (don't rule love houses, but many friendship houses and the IC - a friendly, familiar placement). So when the relationship started, after the initial overlay attraction, those aspects began to play out.

Yous Suns and Moons are basically incompatible by sign and house, your Moons could have been compatible if they were in aspect (square). Despite the friendship aspects, there is a classic extremely strong compulsive aspect - the Moon/Pluto connection, discordant with the rest of the aspects, which is obvious from the Composite. Meaning it cannot be integrated romantically - it remains a Pluto/Moon at the level of friendship. But this is difficult for you, I think it must be or have been. Your Plutos have different meanings in your charts. His Pluto/Uranus sits on DSC and it's not well integrated in his chart, his Pluto/Uranus there for him is a challenge in relationships, not a connective aspect. His Moon is very happy-go-lucky. For you, Pluto is in 1st and also rules your mind - you feel Pluto as obsession. With his tight conjunction with Uranus there, he breaks away from Pluto, intermittently, on his DSC.

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Moon/Pluto, in its worst form, can also degenerate into extreme hate, jealousy and possessiveness. The one with the strongest Pluto is the one feeling these things. It is important when we see a Moon/Pluto aspect that both people are equally Plutonian, in order to mutually understand and integrate the energy. I don't think it's the case here.

Your strong Vesta/Moon is there, fascinated by his conjunction, longing to be his partner (I'm talking about the past here). Looking at the composite, we can see how this aspect plays out: the peregrine Moon in 5th (the woman) is the Yod apex of Sun and Chiron: the Moon longs for this relationship (the Sun) (the Yod is like an embrace) with a lot of pain involved. Interestingly, the only connection of this composite Moon in the natals (conjunction or opposition) is your Juno/Ceres: the desire for a nurturing partner, opposing it. There is a longing here the relationship awakened, but couldn't fulfill.

But your Moon's needs couldn't have been satisfied in this relationship, IMO. Strangely, there is an important Moon/Venus DW in the synastry, but I think his Uranus/Pluto there is too heavy and a killer for your already incompatible Moons. Probably the Moon/Venus DW between you manifests as unconditional, friendly love.

His 12th house Pisces Venus's needs couldn't have been fulfilled either. There is an interesting contact here, with NN/Vertex. He has Venus conjunct Lilith in the 12th/Pisces - attracted to mysterious, dark, inaccessible, dangerous, passionate or promiscuous women (etc. it depends, on a case by case basis). It conjuncts your NN/Vertex; usually, the planet longs after the NN, but because your Vertex is here (your attraction point), you most likely longed for him, his love, or being this ideal for him.

posted June 26, 2014 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
KarmicMoon,

yes, unfortunately, this thread is likely to arouse some painful memories, most ex-relationships involve some sort of pain, it is the same for me, although now we are more detached and can analyze objectively.

I have a question: is there an aspect between his Venus and your Mars? with what orb?

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posted June 26, 2014 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Venus square Neptune, I don't trust my judgement sometimes when it comes to love. I daydream too much and I think I'm overly romantic. It makes it hard to be satisfied with someone less than perfect. My Venus is in the 12th in Leo. I had a reading with Anne Ortelee, who said it "helps me see into their souls" which sounded romantic enough for me to rethink whether it was all bad.

I think you needed to come together with this person to learn something. Vertex/SN need each other in order to complete what they have set out to do in this lifetime. You both underwent a transformation through this relationship but there were also control issues and battle of wills. Lots of passion though! Saturn aspects show karma and make sure you stuck around to learn the lesson. It looks like your Saturn squares his Uranus?Was it your decision to move on? Maybe you out grew the relationship in this lifetime? It was hard to let go though.

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It was exactly like this ....and because of the passion and the love, hard to let go.

Thank you

posted June 26, 2014 04:11 PM            

Everything you said makes sense. He saw me as a friend before I saw him that way but he was unwilling to give up the physical part of the relationship and that is where problems ensued. I would leave him but eventually he would pursue me again. He was the one that could never let go, that would always contact me.

Yes, I did hate him for many years (lower form of Pluto/Moon). Even after I met my future husband, he would call me at work and I would dodge his phone calls. Eventually, I changed my name and left my job so he could no longer find me. Then, after many years, he tracked me down on FB. All this hatred came out of me then when I thought I was long over him. This was shortly after meeting my TF when I was undergoing awakening and heart opening, etc. I realized I needed to heal this hatred if I ever wanted to give myself totally to someone. I probably drew him to me at that time for healing. So I have forgiven him and myself for what happened. It is hard for my friends to understand why and how I can be friends with him. I would say we do have unconditional love for each other now. He often says he is thankful for my friendship.

You said our Sun and Moons weren't compatible. I agree, but you said our Moons would be if they squared. Our Suns are square so wouldn't that make them compatible? While we agree on many things I think our basic outlook on life is different. You also hit the nail on the head with the kind of women he likes. They must provide lots of drama for him which is not me. I think his SN in Scorpio/8th house plays into that. I have BML conjunct Venus in the 12th house, too (2 degree orb). What does that mean for me? Maybe you'll tell me I like tall, dark, handsome men who are emotionally disconnected and can't provide the love I crave?

Yes, this was about a transformation for me. I have heavy karmic issues around relationships in this life. Now that I am more enlightened I realize I planned this interaction. It is a lesson to learn from. Ironically, his name is exactly opposite my Chiron.

Thank you for that very insightful astrological explanation! That was pretty spot on. I need to learn to read composites now!

posted June 26, 2014 04:38 PM            

Oh, yes, the tall dark stranger for you, baby... but...if you ask me...not that dark. I think he has Venus in Taurus opposing your Neptune - to worship you - conjunct your romance ruler or Venus in Cancer on your 11th cusp, to impact on both houses, on your stellium. And he has either Mars in your 1st on your Pluto - so hot it would be - or an Aqua Mars, but at the end of your 5th, making a Mystic rectangle with your Venus/Lilith, Jupiter, Juno/Ceres

I wonder if this ressembles with what I told on the Ideal partner thread, when I saw your chart with all the aspects

BTW, your Suns are compatible by modality, although your Marses are there too, so combined with cardinal Suns...two bosses

posted June 26, 2014 05:18 PM            

You can see it there, in the charts.

I wanted to move on because I felt that, despite the love, he was like a dead end for me. I can't explain exactly why and it was hard for me to accept.

Oh, no, I only look at charts after I already feel the energy in the relationship, after it has already started and after some time - depending on the rhythm of the relationship.

posted June 27, 2014 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It was a great passion ending in physical violence because I wanted to move on

You can see it there, in the charts.

I wanted to move on because I felt that, despite the love, he was like a dead end for me. I can't explain exactly why and it was hard for me to accept.

Oh, no, I only look at charts after I already feel the energy in the relationship, after it has already started and after some time - depending on the rhythm of the relationship.

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posted June 27, 2014 11:34 AM            

Ex 1:

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posted June 27, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It was a great passion ending in physical violence because I wanted to move on

You can see it there, in the charts.

I wanted to move on because I felt that, despite the love, he was like a dead end for me. I can't explain exactly why and it was hard for me to accept.

Oh, no, I only look at charts after I already feel the energy in the relationship, after it has already started and after some time - depending on the rhythm of the relationship.

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posted June 27, 2014 12:44 PM            

In the first, I see several unaspected planets, including your Sun ouch

Fated close Saturn/NN Vertex and Uranus making havoc on Vertex.

posted June 27, 2014 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you, dear

In the first, I see several unaspected planets, including your Sun ouch

Fated close Saturn/NN Vertex and Uranus making havoc on Vertex.

But....a tight Moon/Pluto fueling your Mars/Neptune opp with his Sun stellium and he's Neptunian - fatal attraction on this axis: was he obsessed as the Moon/Pluto Sun/Neptune or were you since it's your Mars/Neptune opp? your 5th his 8th hm

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