posted February 03, 2008 10:16 PM            

In Linda's relationship signs book, it says the Saturn person could even fall very ill due to the stress of this aspect.

Does anyone have any experiences with this aspect? Can anyone shed some light?

posted February 03, 2008 10:41 PM            

It's just difficult sometimes to keep that in mind when I read something that says something so negative and extreme about a synastry aspect I happen to share in.

posted February 04, 2008 12:11 AM            

Jack discovered an foundation and asked Jill to quit a good corporate job she had to join his organization. They knew nothing about astrology. He naturally has Mars square Saturn in his chart at the Aries Point. She has Mars opposite his Saturn, basically giving them a T-Square of Saturn square Mars square Mars. At first they worked very hard and very well together, but then 3 years into working there as his accountant and advisor, they began to argue like cats and dogs. You could see that he was constantly stepping on her feet which could be thought of as Saturn energy limiting her Mars energy.

It ended very badly when it didn't have to. She offered to resign because they both agreed that he couldn't afford to keep her on, but he made matters worse by acting as if she had done something wrong and he refused to write her a recommendation letter. It was completely irrational, and somewhere along the line he physically threatened her right in front of me. It was something that he said out of anger but it was completely inappropriate.

I ended up being the person to turn him into his board of directors for not writing her the letter she needed to find another job and I told them about the physical threat and his irrational anger. She got her letter on her last day and she left.

It's just that the characteristics of their conflict totally fits the explaination of Saturn square Mars.

I think what needs to be studied is what worked about that aspect. I think that while they were building the foundation and setting up the office and while he was the one in complete control, things worked out. He was the Saturn person and I think he made a mistake of delegating some of the power to her. He might have thought it was something he wanted but in the end, he needed to have an iron clad grip on his own creation.

You might want to figure out what it is about that aspect that works for you and your significant other. Some of the things that seem to work with that aspect is lots of hard work, like lifting weights kind of hard work, but I can't pretend to know what to tell you to make that aspect work. Maybe you should tell us since you are in a relationship with that aspect.

How do you feel that it works in your relationship?

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 04, 2008 12:39 AM            

It didn't matter what I did, my actions bothered him because his Saturn couldn't deal with my Mars. If I was silent, it bothered him. If I talked, I talked too much or too loud, or too soft, or he couldn't understand me. If I didn't do anything, I should have done something, and if I did something, it was never right.

posted February 04, 2008 09:49 AM            

It seems the concensus is that this really is a difficult aspect to overcome. It is my Saturn (in Virgo) that is squaring his Mars (in Gemini) so at least they are mutable signs.

We do have some redeeming aspects, our birth information is below. (I'm still trying to learn how to paste a synastry chart on my posts)

Me:
May 27, 1979
11:30 am
Seoul, Korea

Him:
February 5, 1976
3:30 am
Saigon, Vietnam

Are there positive aspects that may balance this negative aspect out? Does anyone have any success stories associated with this aspect? I hope so...

Thanks again.

posted February 06, 2008 07:14 PM            

I see his Saturn binovile your Mars with 6 minutes of arc.
I see your Saturn binovile his Mars with 1'16 orb...a little wide, but it's wide for a square too

Binovile is 9th harmonic aspect. It's 80 degree angle.

however his Uranus oppose your Mars with 1'02 orb, and that can be rather unpredictable,unstable connection which can indicate lots of excitement but also impulsivity and sudden irritations

remember....the narrower the orb the aspect is,the stronger it is

posted February 06, 2008 08:07 PM            

So, we really don't have any Mars square Saturn aspect? Haha..I'm relieved!

Can you tell me if "his Uranus oppose my Mars with 1'02 orb" is considered a narrow or a wide orb?

Do you think this a hard aspect to overcome?

posted February 06, 2008 10:29 PM            

Therefore,I'd say that 1'02 is medium.

posted February 25, 2008 12:15 AM            

Did that reward ever occur for you around January 25th. I remembered telling you not to give up before the miracle. Not that every problem in your life should be solved, but I'm just curious if something pleasant or relieving happened for you around your home, home life or your mother or something like that. Was there some kind of reward recently?

If you can, let us know. Thanks.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 25, 2008 12:27 AM              

The only thing I can think of is I had a major health crisis that got cleared up around Jan 25th.....that was towards the end of my healing period after my medical treatments.

posted February 25, 2008 12:41 AM            

I'm so glad that your mood lifted and that things are looking up. Continue to take good care of yourself.

I'm going to sleep now, have a good day and night.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 25, 2008 12:46 AM              

So I guess you're right, it was a huuuuge REWARD for me. I hadn't thought about that....

posted February 25, 2008 01:06 AM            

Leocat is spot on, it works for the squ as well.

posted February 25, 2008 11:11 AM            

Geocosmic Valentine, I hope everything turns out in your favor as well

posted February 25, 2008 01:40 PM            

I have a friend who has Mars conjunct Saturn in her natal. My friend is not an angry person, and she grew up in a happy, FUNCTIONAL family. There is nothing in her early life that indicates that she would want to be with an abusive man, except for astrology.

Her husband of 20 years, who she will probably be leaving in a few months (he got severely injured in October and she is pretty well trapped into waiting on him hand and foot until he recovers), has Mars opposed to Saturn (and an entire stellium of planets). I can see the attraction in astrology to that, but... he can be a really nasty person. We all think he's bipolar. The world revolves around him, I am not kidding. He loves to put her down and snap at her for so much as breathing. [ubb=http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2007/11/28/aquarius-woman-in-sort-of-sexless-marriage-to-aries-man-astrology-based-advice/]Everything in the world is her fault.[/url] He'll make up any excuse to put her down. Naturally, his becoming a convalescent has NOT improved his mood any, and I think it is bad enough at this point to get her to leave rather than trying to suck it up. Her kid is 18 and he'll probably want out of the house as soon as possible after graduation.