posted July 08, 2014 06:25 AM            

In fact I always check Venus, Mars, (Eros) and the 5th house first, even before doing the 7th house, cause most of the time, if there is no initial spark, you donīt even get to the relationship-level. (even more evident in composite).

However, under the premise that all of that is present, the sparks of Venus, Mars, 5th house, the natural partner compatibility of Sun, Moon, 7th house, and yet this might not be enough.
Love and attraction and even friendship sometimes simply is not enough.

You can feel attracted, totally head over heels with someone, feel warm and fuzzy and comfortable around them and yet you might choose to NOT get into a relationship with them.

Of course there are MANY reasons for that happening (or in that instance - NOT- happening).

However one thing I would recommend (even to myself - make a mental note, Ceri) is checking the MC (and adding the nodal axis and especially IC to that as well).

Why I recommend this is actually a pretty simple thought of mine.
To be in a relationship and make it WORK over any lenght of time, you donīt just have to be in love or being attracted to each other or best friends, but you actually have to have compatible lifepaths or goals.
No, they do not have to be exactly the same, but you have to be able to harmonize them, to cooperate, to go a long way in life with each other.

Your direction in life, your lifestyle, your perspectives and ideas on how your life should continue, they need to be compatible.

Let`s say two people are madly in love with each other.
One of them is in England raising 3 kids on her own, and the other one, while still in England, is on the verge of going onto a tour around the world, preferable through the wilderness with almost no means of maintainin contact.
He also couldn`t EVER imagine settling down and staying at one place, and most certainly not feeling capable of taking responsibility for a family.

Now, I wouldnT`deny that these people might still be truely in love with each other and attracted (though it depends on our definition of what love really is I suppose), but still I wouldn`t see a relationship working out in the long or even short term, as their paths in life are just too different, and incompatible (especially if they do not find a common ground or compromise BOTH could be happy with, and let`s be honest, who is really happy with a COMPROMISE?).

That is why I would recommend taking the MC into consideration a little bit more (and the IC, too, of course).

I also suspect that might be the reason, why during times of getting married the MC oftentimes seems to play a significant role, (initially i would have expected to see more ASC-DESC-action, but it seems to be a tie with the MC-IC-axis).

Probably this heralds the time when it is i possible to align two lives in a very worldly sense with each other.

As an example for prediction.
At the day of their wedding my Dad`s solar arc Venus was EXACTLY Conjunct my Mum`s natal MC and NN.

Around the same degrees their tp composite had a conjunction of NN and MC as well when they got married.

Of course that is just one example, but I do think that part of why they managed to keep their relationship working over 40 years had to do with their ability to align their ideas about life and their lifepaths.

Synastrically speaking my Dad`s MC ruler Mercury is trine my Mum`s Venus (5th house rulr) exactly and also trines her Mars.

Her traditional MC-ruler Jupiter conjuncts my dad`s NN (and she has a MC-NN-conjunction natally) and sextiles his Sun (11th house ruler). Also opposes his Mars (8th house ruler).

In their case it seems like the 5th and 11th house sparks were flowing right into their MC-synastry, which seems rather nice I suppose. Maybe if the constellations of the 5th, 7th, 8th and possibly 11th house flow into or connect with the MC and its ruler it makes people feel like they could manifest these sparks in a commitment, and could go some way with each other.

O course there are NEVER guarantees. Still it can`t do any harm checking the MC. lol

posted July 08, 2014 06:57 AM            

My Taurus MC ruler Venus is conjunct his NN.
His Leo MC is conjunct my AC (0) and his Sun is conjunct my AC too (3).
His Uranus is square my MC, though.

However, my Venus squares his Sun and Moon (as they oppose each other). Could that be the undoing?

posted July 08, 2014 07:30 AM            

NOTHING can guarantee a relationship. The MC is just one factor among others.

Personally I believe irrespective of synastry you also have to meet at the right time and make a deliberate choice to ACT.

Astrology might be helpful to asess the probability, but that is all.

Probably you also have to check the solar arcs and progressions (natal) if you are even at a point where you feel INCLINED to make a change in your life.

"My Taurus MC ruler Venus is conjunct his NN.
His Leo MC is conjunct my AC (0) and his Sun is conjunct my AC too (3)."
Seems like rather strong connections. However, maybe there are planetary aspects needed to put something into action. Like having something on the angles, angle to angle, even angle-ruler to angle, pretty much guarantees a strong attention, and yes noticing each other, but to get moving you will need planetary aspects (Sun might not be moveable enough); otherwise two people could stand and just stare at each other wondering why the other one does not make the move, but neither really does, until a transit inadvertantly pushes someone so they stumble out of their shock-stare.

"His Uranus is square my MC, though."
With Uranus ruling IC, this could be a little complicated yes, but at least here is energy there. Well Uranus tends to shake up things, but usually not propelling you to get into a committed relationship.

"However, my Venus squares his Sun and Moon (as they oppose each other). Could that be the undoing?"
No. Your Venus is on his Sun/Moon-mp, that is actually a major appeal. Of course with the squares things can get a little uncomfortable at times.

posted July 08, 2014 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

.... (Sun might not be moveable enough); otherwise two people could stand and just stare at each other wondering why the other one does not make the move, but neither really does, until a transit inadvertantly pushes someone so they stumble out of their shock-stare.

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posted July 08, 2014 09:18 AM            

Can't wait to explore Middle-earth

posted July 08, 2014 10:22 AM            

Looking at my parents, at the comparison between them and the Wedding:

Sun/Venus/Union that day conjuncts mother's IC

Jupiter conjuncts father's IC almost exact
Sun/Venus/Union squares father's MC/IC with Sun exact!

Another interesting fact. Psyche that day conjuncts mother's MC, squares father's MC.

Of course, this means, in synastry, their MC/IC are in square, making the Fixed cross. What else do they have there?

Mother's MC squares his Sun (MC ruler)/Merc/POF, sextile his Neptune (5th ruler)
Ceres and Uranus (his IC ruler) conjunct her IC.

Father's MC conjuncts her Moon (DSC ruler) and Pluto (MC ruler), trines her Juno, sextiles her Neptune (2nd ruler)

posted July 08, 2014 10:39 AM            

Well, here Moon conjunct Neptune right on MC, part of a Kite with Sun/NN/Jupiter/Uranus/Pluto and a cross with Mars and Saturn, can't get more binding.

posted July 08, 2014 02:26 PM            

I remember reading a Saturn connection to the MC once (forgot the rest) for it to let it come true..

I think we're an excellent example;

- His MC trine my ASC/Merc. (= asc-ruler) by 1-2*.
- His MC quincunx my Saturn (1)

- My MC conjunct his Mars (asc-ruler) by 3*
- My MC trine his Saturn (MC-ruler) by 0*
- My MC sextile his Chiron (1)

- His MC-ruler trine my Pluto (2,5)
- His MC-ruler opp. my Venus (= MC-ruler) (5)
- His MC-ruler sextile my Jupiter (2)
- His MC-ruler conjunct my Vesta (2,5)

- My MC-ruler conjunct his SN (1)
- My MC-ruler conjunct his Chiron (4)
- My MC-ruler sextile his Mars (Asc-ruler)(1,5)
- My MC-ruler quindecile his Venus (desc-ruler) (>1)

And then ofcourse that tight GOLDEN YOD (= bi-quintile yod), with our Suns and my MC.

In our 9th harmonic synastry btw, the MC was even way more outstanding.. (I remember now).

ED@

9th harmonic;

My MC = 14'11 LEO
MY True NN = 11'14 Aqua

His Saturn = 12'12 LEO
His Asc = 14'54 LEO

posted July 10, 2014 04:14 PM            

But our AC/DC is screwed up!
My AC libra@7.05
His AC cap@13.45

We have our Valentine/Valentine conjunction cap@9.20/9.50 on my IC trine his IC
My Eros cap@9.00

His Saturn taurus@11.00
My Juno virgo@12.30
His NN pisces@10.30
My Pholus pisces@9.12

posted July 10, 2014 04:35 PM            

didn't see much outstanding in their synastry nor composite..

But THIS:

posted July 11, 2014 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ahhh...a long-awaited thread

Can't wait to explore Middle-earth

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posted July 11, 2014 11:49 AM            

1st boyfriend

my MC sextile his Vertex, opp his Eros, but that's all
but his MC conjunct my NN and Neptune, Eros on IC too
my Moon trines his MC
my Mercury sextiles his MC

apart from NN conjunct MC, not much, no closed structure

my ex

my MC conjunct his IC closes his Jupiter and Saturn trine
sextile his Vertex
his MC/IC squares my Moon/Lilith
sextiles my Juno

a bit more connected, especially the cross with the Moon.

current

his Moon conjunct my MC crosses with my Moon/Lilith/his Juno, sextile my Sun and ASC, trine Saturn Jupiter.

so our Moons cross crosses my MC/IC

Interestingly, our Suns opp(plus his Vertex axis) crosses his MC/IC/NN.

My Mars conjunct his ASC crosses his MC/IC.
My Uranus makes a Kite with his MC/IC, Saturn and Mercury, apex in his IC/NN.

MC sextile Vertex AGAIN! (The third case)

Do you have MC/Vertex in your relationships?

MC sextile Chiron