posted August 17, 2014 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
thanks, Nine. Good to know.

Leeloo,
yes i noticed that as well, Vertex on natal Juno, SR Juno opposing n Moon. and the likes. and of course Venus-Pluto. Not a clue though what it could mean.

might bea lot of 4th house stuff, too, with the sr ruler Mercury in 4th house, and the IC falling onto natal Mercury.

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Meeting a partner?

There is a definitive 4th house emphasis, Sun and stellium are there

posted August 17, 2014 03:19 PM            

I was hoping you'd share some of what you've found out with Tertiary Progressions.

posted August 17, 2014 04:19 PM            

however, still it needs more research.
What CLEARLY works, is the moving of planets over angles, natal and tp progressed ones. the tp Moon is of extreme important. Even Noel Tyl recommends checking it for timing (though he only uses the tp Moon).

The orbs have to be VERY tight though, 1 degree.

However, most recent example was the week of the concert when Mr Sag was suddenly blurting out publicly that i was driving him crazy, which was most certainly a remarkable moment for me, and a surprising one.
It was being sort of prepared by me seeing him just 4 days before on another open air, and he seemed rather impressed with my appearance. Not even I could not "not notice". lol

My tp had this:

tp Sun 7,45 gemini
tp Moon 6.53 Gemini

(and for good measure
tp Mars 7.04 Leo
tp Juno 7.58 Virgo)

Now it definitely made me pay attention having a New Moon in tertiaries, and where did the New Moon took place?

On my natal DESCENDANT. on 7.06 Gemini.
The symbolism was so striking, it took my breath away. lol

and my sec. pr Sun is slowly moving into an exact trine with my natal dESC, from 6 Aquarius.

It almost looked like the sec pr Sun-nDESC-trine is the background-preparation (that is going to happen, pay attention), and the tp Sun conj. n DESC was the trigger (NOW).

Hilariously Mr Sag`s secondary pr ASC is currently at 6.56 Gemini!!!

with his sp Venus on 8.56 Pisces. and sp Jupiter on 9.03 Virgo, well probably too far off of my tertiaries, but the tp Moon is very quick.

His own tertiary progression was interesting, too.

His tp Venus had just changed signs and was at 0.01 Aries, which Ifind significant.

his tp Moon was exactly conj. tp BML in Scorpio in tp 5th house and natal 8th (meeting "the other woman", which is precisely what happened; cause his wife/ significant other was present as well).

his tp ASC was just before changing from Cancer into Leo, and naturally trining Venus, but did not touch off anything in his chart I think. Well squaring my natal Uranus. lol

oh and of course TP Sun on the TP Venus/Mars-mp and his TP Venus slowly applying to a conjunction with tP Sun (3 applying), which is similiar in my chart, just for me it will happen a little later (5 applying).

for now my tp Venus is content being exactly conjunct tp Avx and on natal AMOR. lol

Things might remain intersting for me, with TP Sun on n SN.
TP Venus opposing n Mars (on saturday) and only being 2 degrees off hitting my n DESC.

BTW for me The Sun-Venus-conjunction in TP will be precise on 12th december 2015. on 27.03 Gemini, still close enough to oppose my n Sun I think (25.56 Sag) and funny enough right on Mr Sag`s Sun/Moon-mp and IC, opposing his Sun and MOon as well.

This date, however will be important for more reasons.

TP ASC will JUST Have entered Leo (00.31) squaring n Uranus. Plus in spring 2015, my sp Moon will oppose sp Sun, also from Leo-Aquarius (6 degree though)

the TP MC will be exactly squrae n Venus

TP Moon will be exact on my n Jupiter, chartruler, and opposing TP JUNO.

(mirroring the SR Juno-n-Moon opposition that will be part of my Solar return next year)

we will see

unfortunately astrocom messes up the moon position in the tps

posted August 17, 2014 11:28 PM            

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unfortunately astrocom messes up the moon position in the tps

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I noticed that. I wondered why the moon didn't move. The Moon is such an important planet, especially when it comes to timing. I wonder what's going on. Perhaps we ought to contact them about it.

quote:

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his tp Moon was exactly conj. tp BML in Scorpio in tp 5th house and natal 8th (meeting "the other woman", which is precisely what happened; cause his wife/ significant other was present as well).

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I may have missed something. I thought Ms. Sag was in the clear and you were headed down the aisle in short order. Was this your first "meeting" with Mrs. Sag?

I wonder if TP can be used as a magnifier to zoom in on 2nd Progressions, and srCharts.

Two major things happened to me this weekend; I won an award, and someone I thought I'd never see again found me on the interstate amidst a sea of cars. We were in different cars going at fast speeds but somehow our eyes locked from three lanes apart.

1. 2nd Progression has Sun sq Moon - a major phase.

2. tSun sq tMoon

3. tpSun in Virgo w/ tpMoon in Aqua. Astrocom doesn't progress tpMoon, so I couldn't tell where the moon was degree wise, but I'm sure it had moved into Pisces during my magical moments.

I'm thinking the TP made the difference.

posted August 26, 2014 01:44 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Venus, your IC ruler, is in the 7th, falling into your natal 12th. Sun in the 8th house in SR. I think you should meet a soulmate

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I wanted to hear that

THANK YOU

posted August 26, 2014 01:55 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You're welcome, sweetie
May I be a good fortune teller

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Don't forget I have moon in Aries. I gonna fight for it

posted August 27, 2014 03:48 AM            

my non-precessed one has 21 Cancer as ASC on my Saturn-Eros-Vertex-Sun/Moon-mp.

posted August 27, 2014 07:36 AM            

In my 2014-2015 Precessed SR, Jupiter, DSC ruler in SR and Yod apex in the natal conjuncts SR IC exact and in the synastry Precessed SR/natal, my Yod is being triggered

I'll get back with more details.

posted August 27, 2014 11:52 AM            

My chart

Jupiter conj DSC (2)
Amor conjunct IC (3)

A Cardinal Cross intermingled with a Kite

Cross:

Pluto 9 Cap
Lilith/Jupiter 10-16 DSC 18 Cancer
Mercury 7 Libra
Uranus 11 Aries

Kite - apex Pluto 9 Cap

NN/Saturn 8 Scorpio
Chiron/Neptune 10 Pisces
Lilith 10 Cancer

Him

Everything is around the DSC

DSC 29 Pisces

Sun 22 Pisces
Amor 28 Pisces
Vertex 29 Pisces
Mars 0 Aries
Moon 3 Aries

then others around, a bit further away

Venus 18 Pisces
Eros/Alma 15 Pisces
Uranus 7 Aries
Union/Valentine 9 Aries

An impressive Yod

apex Jupiter 9th Gem
sextile: Saturn 11 Scorpio - Pluto 11 Cap

posted August 27, 2014 12:33 PM            

With that in mind I looked up my current SR in terms of angle-action.

As I said this year the SR angles are closely aligned with my natal angles (SR ASC 8 Sag, n ASC 7 Sag; SR MC 6 LIbra n MC 5 Libra)

SR Mars on 5 Libra, right on both MC`s.
SR Uranus on 8 Aries, on IC

of course the natal ones are in play as well, n Mars on 5 Sag on ASC, n Pluto on 9 Libra on MC, n Neptune-NN on 10 Sag on ASC, n Lust on 7 Sag on ASC and so on.

what I find interesting is that in the normal SR I have Moon on 29 Gemini in 12th house, opposing Sun (a fullmoon - which would make sense as well, with me heading in a secondary progressed fullmoon anyway - but 29 Gemini, 12th house. yuck)

in the precessed SR however Moon is on 5.54 Cancer in 7th house, squaring Sr Mars on 5 LIbra on MC, and squaring SR Uranus on 8 Aries on IC and widely opposing Sr Pluto on 10 Cap AAAAAAAND opposing my natal Venus on 6 Capricorn exact!

it is completing a grand cross of Moon-Mars-Uranus-Pluto- and Venus in cardinal signs and cardinal houses! Wow!

What sais you?

Next years precessed Solar Return has

SR NN almost on SR DESC (5 degrees)

SR Venus (and Vesta) just one degree conjunct SR MC and Venus rules DESC!
It also takes place on my natal Isis-Osiris-conjunction exactly, plus conjuncts natal Venus, 5th house ruler, by 2 degrees.

In fact there is an alignment of:

n Venus 6 Cap
n Osiris 7 Cap
n Isis 8 Cap
Sr Vesta 8 Cap
SR Venus 9 Cap
SR Pluto 12 Cap (8th house ruler)

on SR MC 8 Cap
and n Venus 6 Cap. lol

This is interesting also, since I am going to have SA Venus conjunct n Moon (bringing my 5th house ruler to my 8th house ruler)

SR Moon will be in Scorpio in the 7th house, squaring Mars in 11th

a conjunction of Juno, Jupiter (5 degrees) and true Lilith (Jupiter-Lilith both exact) in 5th house, and the latter two exactly trine the SR ASC

in fact SR ASC conjunct Chiron-Phoinix, and configured with natal Vertex=Sun/Moon (and Eros. lol)

speaking of Vertex

SR Vertex on 7 Libra conjunct n MC and n Pluto

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the unprecessed Solar Return is not as eventful.

SR DESC on Draco ASC-Mars (but DRaco, not tropical)

Sr IC conjunct SR Sun and Ceres, and natal Mercury

SR Vertex on n Juno - well that might be interesting, as well

SR Mar sin 5th house, Sr Moon in 2nd house

the Sr Juno-Jupiter-Lilith in 11th house instead of 5th

SR SN conj Sr Uranus in 7th house (sqaring n Saturn)

Sr Moon conjunct n Uranus

the Sr VenusPluto-alignment in 4th house instead of 10th.

posted August 27, 2014 12:36 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm looking at the Precessed SR for the year our relationship started (which is last year)

My chart

Jupiter conj DSC (2)
Amor conjunct IC (3)

Him

Everything is around the DSC

DSC 29 Pisces

Sun 22 Pisces
Amor 28 Pisces
Vertex 29 Pisces
Mars 0 Aries
Moon 3 Aries

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Wow, I love that.

posted August 27, 2014 01:08 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I read in a book on it (Anthony Louis) that planets on the angles in precessed SR are VERY indicative of the events that actually manifest in the year, so yours seems to confirm that thesis.

With that in mind I looked up my current SR in terms of angle-action.

As I said this year the SR angles are closely aligned with my natal angles (SR ASC 8 Sag, n ASC 7 Sag; SR MC 6 LIbra n MC 5 Libra)

SR Mars on 5 Libra, right on both MC`s.
SR Uranus on 8 Aries, on IC

of course the natal ones are in play as well, n Mars on 5 Sag on ASC, n Pluto on 9 Libra on MC, n Neptune-NN on 10 Sag on ASC, n Lust on 7 Sag on ASC and so on.

what I find interesting is that in the normal SR I have Moon on 29 Gemini in 12th house, opposing Sun (a fullmoon - which would make sense as well, with me heading in a secondary progressed fullmoon anyway - but 29 Gemini, 12th house. yuck)

in the precessed SR however Moon is on 5.54 Cancer in 7th house, squaring Sr Mars on 5 LIbra on MC, and squaring SR Uranus on 8 Aries on IC and widely opposing Sr Pluto on 10 Cap AAAAAAAND opposing my natal Venus on 6 Capricorn exact!

it is completing a grand cross of Moon-Mars-Uranus-Pluto- and Venus in cardinal signs and cardinal houses! Wow!

What sais you?

Next years precessed Solar Return has

SR NN almost on SR DESC (5 degrees)

SR Venus (and Vesta) just one degree conjunct SR MC and Venus rules DESC!
It also takes place on my natal Isis-Osiris-conjunction exactly, plus conjuncts natal Venus, 5th house ruler, by 2 degrees.

In fact there is an alignment of:

n Venus 6 Cap
n Osiris 7 Cap
n Isis 8 Cap
Sr Vesta 8 Cap
SR Venus 9 Cap
SR Pluto 12 Cap (8th house ruler)

on SR MC 8 Cap
and n Venus 6 Cap. lol

This is interesting also, since I am going to have SA Venus conjunct n Moon (bringing my 5th house ruler to my 8th house ruler)

SR Moon will be in Scorpio in the 7th house, squaring Mars in 11th

a conjunction of Juno, Jupiter (5 degrees) and true Lilith (Jupiter-Lilith both exact) in 5th house, and the latter two exactly trine the SR ASC

in fact SR ASC conjunct Chiron-Phoinix, and configured with natal Vertex=Sun/Moon (and Eros. lol)

speaking of Vertex

SR Vertex on 7 Libra conjunct n MC and n Pluto

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Enneline, you should try Precessed too, follow the steps in Ceri's link.

Ceri, I suppose Moon in 12th Gem 29 Full Moon looks like the end of a cycle for everything the Moon means in your chart. Perhaps related to relationships, since Gem is your DSC??

Ceri, so this cardinal cross is until December? Cardinal is cardinal and since Moon is in 7th, it should bring you a relationship.

If not until then, NN/DSC and DSC ruler on MC for next year and that Vertex... if you don't start a relationship next year, then I don't know what to think.

posted August 31, 2014 10:14 AM            

"The most important things to look at in all Solar Returns are the planets in conjunct with the AC/DC, MC/IC. You can give quite a wide orb. Up to 8 degrees. This is why precessing is so important. As this will be totally different on a precessed chart. The aspects between the planets will be exactly the same, but in different houses. A planet conjunct the angle will be hugely emphasized fo that year. The tighter is is the more dramatic the year. It has been suggested using the methods above that a malefic, ie Mars, Saturn (or a difficult outer planet like Neptune and Pluto) on the angles, augurs a difficult year ahead. If they are partile it could even be quite a traumatic year.

posted August 31, 2014 10:21 AM            

precesses:
Mars on MC (1°37)
Uranus on IC (1°45)

non precessed:
Lilith on ASC (0°30)
Jupiter on ASC (3°42)

POF on DESC (3°36)
Venus on DESC (6°59)

BTW my Solar Return was being mentioned in my dream last night, and it must have beent he unprecessed one, as the Sun-moon-opposition was being mentioned. lol

posted August 31, 2014 10:35 AM            

precessed:
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Uranus on MC (4°58)

unprecessed:
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Moon on IC (2°12)
Wow, it was on my natal IC as well and squaring my Venus exact and opposing my pluto

The year my parents married:

precessed
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My Dad:
Uranus on ASC (0°24) Libra
Sun on IC (0°47) Aquarius
Venus on IC (4°13) Aquarius

- his Sun-Venus-conjunction brought to an angle

my Mom:
Venus on ASC (2°14) SAgittarius
Juno on ASC (0°12) Sagittarius

a Venus-Juno-conjunction made angular

oh also

Ceres on ASC (2°23)
NN on ASC ! (7°33)
(NN only 4 minutes off 00 Capricorn - Aries point)

Uranus on MC (1°51) Libra - like my Dad`s Uranus on ASC, also overlaying each other of course

Sun widely on MC (7°56)

Mars on IC (4°52) - Mars on 00 Taurus though

Well that is one very strong picture of precessed Solar returns!!!!!

unprecessed
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my Dad:

Venus EXACT on DESC !!! (0°21)
Sun on DESC (3°13)
Ceres on DESC (2°40)
BML on DESC (4°48)
Juno wiiiidely on DESC (6°21)

Pluto on IC (1°53)
well he married a Scorpio after all lol

my Mom
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Pluto on ASC (4°02)
(ASC on 1 LIbra, on the Aries point)

Vertex on DESC (1°51)

Saturn, her DESCruler, on MC (2°54) (MC on 1 Cancer, also AP)

NN on IC (1°46)
NN one minute off 00 Cap. lol

Difficult decision. What fits better?

posted August 31, 2014 10:45 AM            

precessed
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her chart:
Mercury on ASC (4°11) in 12th though
Uranus on DESC (0°53)

- is it only me, or is Uranus popping up quite often?

husband`s chart
JUNO on DESC (1°27)
Neptune on DESC (2°56)
- interestingly his SR ASC is exactly on her natal Saturn, ruler of her DESC

NN on MC (6°48)
Jupiter on IC (4°29) - in LIbra

unprecessed
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her chart:
Vertex on DESC (2°38) in Libra
Jupiter widely conj. DESC (7°06)

(vertex on 1 Libra, so on the AP)

Juno widely conj. MC (7°53) - MC on 1 Cap, AP

BML on IC (3°08)

husband`s chart
Chiron on ASC (3°40)
SAturn on DESC (4°41)
- SAturn rules his ASC and Sun-

BML on DESC (3°22)

Mars on MC (4°51)

Wow, that year he was having an EXACT Venus-Pluto-conjunction in the SR, 11th house (unprecessed) and 5th house (precessed). conjunct Mercury by one degree as well.

And the intersting thing is my friend has a conjunction of Mercury-Venus-Mars-Pluto-natally and naturally his Pluto falls there, too.

posted August 31, 2014 01:04 PM            

I'll start with the most interesting thing:

The Composite between my P SR and my natal:

a perfect Angle Cross with ASC 0.10 Aries and MC 0.11 Cap

NN 16.56 Scorpio
my natal MC 16.44 Scorpio

Vertex 0.08 Libra conjunct DSC well 0 of course
Mars 0.13 Scorpio

very strange chart

posted August 31, 2014 01:25 PM            

Jupiter conjunct IC (1) Valentine is there too, (4)
Jupiter rules DSC in this chart, it my natal, it rules 11th, NN, 2nd

Sun in 5th, Venus on 5th cusp, Sun conjunct Union (4)
Uranus, ruler of MC, conjunct SN (3)..this one should give a push, and Mercury conjunct NN (3)

Synastry with the natal:

The Yod activation is as follows:

Neptune/Chiron on apex, Jupiter stellium - Chiron on Jupiter
SR Jupiter/IC on Moon (almost 0)
POF/Pallas/Mercury on Mercury

All 3 points of the Yod activated

SR Venus conjunct natal Aphrodite on release

So, if it's trigger, it would be a Yod triggered by Chiron...I'll keep you posted!

The rest:

natal NN/POF conjunct SR DSC (2) and Karma (2)
natal Moon/Lilith/MC/IC cross in perfect square with Saturn/MC/IC in the SR, with Saturn/Vesta on MC and SR Moon near natal IC, opp this Saturn. It looks like some sort of Saturn return. It looks rather fated.

SR Juno conjunct natal DSC (0)
SR Uranus conjunct Alma (2)

What should I expect?

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posted August 31, 2014 01:51 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think Mars on MC with Mars ruling your natal IC and Uranus on IC...wow big changes!!! involving MC/IC axis, but this could mean many things...whatever it is, it's very important.

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SR Mars is definitely conjunct my natal MC exactly.

And SR Uranus is conjunct my natal IC by 3 degrees.

This opposition is probably a definiing one this year. And it is squaring SR Pluto by 5 (Mars) and 2 (Uranus) degrees.

Also involving my natal Pluto, as SR Mars is conjunct it by 4 degrees and Sr Uranus opposing it by 1 degree.

This means it ALSO involves my Venus, as SR Mars squares it by one degree, SR Uranus squares it by 2 degrees and SR Pluto conjuncts it by 4 degrees.

Where the difference comes into play is that, in the precessed Return SR Moon is on 5.54 Cancer, and thus turning this in a Grand Cross, consisting of Moon-Pluto-Mars and natal Venus-Pluto, involving the MC-IC-axis.
Also worthy of note that in the precessed return the angles of my natal are being repeated.

In the non precessed Moon is not relating to it in a Grand Cros formation, and instead of repeating the natal angles, the SR ASC falls onto my Vertex-Sun/Moon-mp-configuration and is on the antiscion of my ASC-DESC.

most importantly though, SR Moon in 12th house (and natal 7th house, that does not change) making an opposition to Sun (3 degrees).

The other thing worthy of note seems to be the Black Moon EXACTLY on the SR ASC.
only half a degree wide.

Those 21 degree CAncer (cardinal) are very emphasized in my solar arcs/ progressions, too. as I am having sa Jupiter on 21 ARies activating my Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp and SR ASC this way (and Sr Jupiter conjunct SR ASC and actualy trnasiting Jupiter having gone back and forth over that point as well).

It is maybe a little embarassing to admit, but I think in a way it is fitting, as BML seems to come up in triangles a lot, and breaking-the-rules-connections, tabooized.

It is too dramatic to call it like that, but the way Mr Sag has been reacting to me (and it was sort of sudden, after many years I managed to keep things stuck, something feels like it has come unstuck, bit by bit at least, but it is not taking the really sane route I suppose.)

Nothing will happen between us (and probably partly because I still refuse to see him after a show. ), but i can`t deny that he really tried to, I don`t know, connect to me, even if only possible on the most superficial level, but still seriously, having the star of a show coming to you like this, and repeatedly, well, it is quite some information to digest. lol

But the thing is, he might act impulsively on basis of some vague intrigue he might feel about me (maybe just trying to figure me out), but it is not the most advisable thing to do with his wife/ girlfriend around!
And she is NOT pleased with this. Not with him approaching the SAME visitor again and again. And honestly speaking he SHOULD NOT.
He is taken. End of story.

But sometimes he looks as dazed and out of control as I usually feel around him. Out of control in the sense, that he should be more considerate of his significant other`s feelings and maybe not indulge into some weird form of curiosity about someone from the audience.

Of course I am flattered. I am very attracted to him after all. And even though it is scary it takes just ALL self control I have to NOT throw myself at him, despite all the circumstances.
This is NOT sanity. Not resonable.

But this is very much BML on a Cancer - ASC.

Interestingly his Pluto squares this exactly, and of course also squares my Vertex and Sun/moon-mp and Eros.

I can`t help the way I feel. But I can help the way I act.

Well maybe I am overanalyzing his acting, but for the last 3 months he has just been singling me out a little too much, and not once or on one evening, but whenever I was there.
Add to that the way not only his partner was looking at me, but last saturday I caught some glimpses of people of her entourage, and well something made me feel as if I was lucky to have made it out there alive.

Seriously, what is Mr Sag doing? What is he thinking?
if him talking to me bothers his partner, and he would know after the june concert!, why keep on doing it?

Anyway, sorry, I disgress, but in a way I find that the BML on ASC in the non-precessed Solar Return,w hich also falls into my 8th house (and he has the same ASC in his own SR with ASC on 24 Cancer and BML on 23 Cancer, and all of that falls into his 5th house, near his natal Juno on 27 Cancer and opposing hi Venus on 25 Cap, with SR Venus on 28 Cap on SR DESC).

On the other hand in his precessed Solar Return he hsa ASC on 24 Scorpio conjunct URANUS (again!) in his natal 8th house.
Oh and funny enough that pust my natal HADES on his SR DESC. lol

In this case BML on 24 Cancer in SR 8th house and natal 5th house exactly trines SR ASC-natal Uranus.

Oh and has an exact conjunction of SR Moon and Sr Jupiter on 17 Cancer, right on my natal Saturn. lol

(and opposing comnposite Venus)
That Sr jupiter/Sr Moon in Sr 8th and natal 5th house btw.

with his SR Avx on 7 Cap (and Sr Pluto on 10 Cancer) coonjunct my natal Venus on 6 Cap.

For me in the precessed Return I have

Sr BML conjunct SR Vertex exact on 22 Cancer in 8th house (Sr and natal).
Of course that pust my Sr Antiverex onto his natal Venus on 25 Capricorn as well.

and BML on the exact antiscion of both, Sr and natal ASC.

And let me not talk about the exact opposition to composite MOon. *sighs*

so using precessed SR,

my SR BML opposes composite Moon exact

his SR BML opposes composite Venus exact

I wonder if I should check the Solar return of the composite thus.

anyway, it seems that both Srs, precessed and non precessed highlights the same themes, surrounding BML, Venus, Moon, Pluto (forgot to mention his Sr Moon opposing Sr Pluto) and Cancer and ASC.

So far what I can say about these last weeks is that something decidedly shifted in the emotional athmosphere between us and it seems to become very obvious to those surrounding us as well, and at least to me feels simply a little insane.
Almost a little Moth-to-flame scenario.
We know something will crack, bleed and burn, but somehow can`t stay away nevertheless.

Well Itend to overdramatize things, but even those small steps in communication felt quite intense and judging from HER reaction, troublesome.

And no he is not usally a player, as far as I know. And even if so, I am not a plaything.

But still the way heh as been paying me attention, has just been very puzzling to me, you know?