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Topic: Vedic soulmate pairs - an investigation
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Astro keen unregistered
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posted July 18, 2014 05:54 PM
Siva/Parvati and Kaali/Rudra feature often. Since both Siva and Parvati have various forms, it is possible that these forms are interchangeable and other pairings are equally common. It may be that they haven't been checked. Could you please help with this and say which pairs feature in your natal and a synastry with an SM or TF. Female Parvati 2847 Kaali 4227 Tara 5863 Satie 9438 -- for Sati or Parvati Male Siva 1170 Rudra 2629 Mahakala 10819 Shankar 22817 Mahalingam 18104 Hara 4640 2847, 4227, 5863, 9438, 1170, 2629, 10819, 22817, 18104, 4640 Rama and Sita would be another pair to check Ramakrishna 25468 Ramachandran 20851 Raman 55753 Sita 244 – wife of Rama 25468, 20851, 55753, 244 Thank you IP: Logged |
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posted July 18, 2014 06:13 PM
okay, I am playing  my PARVATI quinkunx his SIVA (0) my TARA trine his RUDRA (1) my TARA opposite his HARA wide (4) my SATI conjunct his MAHALINGAM (0)
my RUDRA square his KAALI (1) my RUDRA widely conjunct his SATIE (3-4) my MAHAKALA quinkunx his TARA (1) my SHANKAR quinkunx his SATI (2) my MAHALINGAM conjunct his SATI (0) Until 5 minutes ago I had not even heard of Mahalingam, and now we have a DW conjunction. 
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MAHALINGA conjunct SATI exact, and that on our MC SHANKAR conjunct PARVATI (1) with PARVATI conjunct ALMA and on the Pleiades HARA On NN.
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KAALI conjunct RUDRA (1) on 7-8 Virgo MAHALINGAM conjunct SATI (3) our first meeting chart was drenched in the Vedics, too
as for Rama - Sita syn: my Sita sextile his Raman (1) and opposite his Sita (1) composite: Raman conjunct DESC (2) Rmachandran conjunct Moon (1) and trine Sita (2) IP: Logged |
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posted July 18, 2014 06:26 PM
Perfect! We've just begun looking at Mahalingam (thread in Asteroids) and it seems to feature prominently for many people. It has a beautiful meaning - "the potentiality of God". Certainly a close conjunction DW, and that too in your chart puts it in top place . Tara, a fierce form of Parvati (in contrast to the Buddhist Tara), should pair up nicely with Rudra. Although trying to establish pairings based on aspects of a particular form may not work. We'll wait to see which crop up more often.
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ail221 Moderator Posts: 7119 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted July 18, 2014 09:20 PM
I'll play Minor aspects are exact and the wide ones are between 4-5Siva sextile Kaali 1 Rudra sextile Parvati 1 Rudra conjunct Tara 3 Siva square Satie 1 Mahakala quincunx Kaali exact Mahakala opposite Satie 1 Hara sq Kaali 3 Ramachandran square Sita exact Kaali/Mahalingam DW Square 1 and Trine 4 Shankar conjunct Kaali wide Satie square Mahalingam wide Parvati quintile Rudra exact Parvati quintile Hara exact Kaali quintile Siva exact Tropical Composite: Parvati conjunct Mahakala 1 Parvati trine Hara exact Kaali quincunx Rudra 1 Satie quintile Mahakala exact Raman sextile Sita wide Helio composite Parvati sextile Rudra 2 Parvati conjunct Mahakala 3 Parvati square Mahalingam Parvati trine Hara 2 Kaali opposite Rudra 1 Kaali trine Shankar exact Kaali quincunx Mahalingam exact Tara conjunct Rudra 1 Raman square Sita wide IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 18, 2014 10:23 PM
Hey, Astro K. I will definitely contribute. I can tell you that I do have four major pairings with my Twin in composite: EROS/PSYCHE, ISIS/OSIRIS, KAALI/RUDRA, and SIVA/PARVATI. There are synastric ties as well. IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 829 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted July 18, 2014 11:18 PM
You're still leaving out Ramakrishnan despite the need being to see which pairs work or feature most often. I said Sita to Ramakrishnan was the pairing with my parents and someone said both that and Raman probably work, so it should be here for comparison's sake if you're asking for data like this specifically. For all we know, Ramaswami or whatever it was (Krishnaswami? I forget what I saw in recent checks) may likewise work with things like these but as nobody is checking for it, nobody learns that either. 23850 Ramaswami 25468 Ramakrishna You have their details but noting that on top of the ASC-Parvati/Siva conjunction they have a ~2 degree Kaali/Shankar the same way, man's goddess to the woman's gods. Her Hara is also 1-2 trine his Parvati. I don't remember if they had more contacts the other way just now, just that her Mahalingam is about a degree from his Sun. His Hara ~1 trine her Moon, 1 conjunct her DC, Ramaswami 2 square ASC-DC? Also saw that it's not just her Siva-Raman on/near his ASC, but that her draconic Sita is conjunct her own Ascendant and her draconic Ramachandran conjunct his ASC again. IP: Logged |
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posted July 19, 2014 02:06 AM
Have added Ramakrishna, but not Ramaswami. The Rama/Sita pair was an afterthought here, therefore, not thorough. Note that the list does not cover all the forms of Vishnu. I was aiming for the Siva/Parvati group for now to keep the list manageable.Was thinking about the male versions in the girl's chart aspecting the female in the guy's chart. That could form it's own research, however, if anyone notices instances of this, then that would be useful to know. Thanks to everyone contributing. IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 611 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted July 19, 2014 06:53 AM
I will add mine, so they are all in the same place.All within 2 degree orb... Siva square Kaali Rudra oppose Tara Rudra sextile Satie Mahalingham square Parvati DW Parvati square Mahalingam DW Rudra trine Kaali Hera trine Kaali Mahalingam square Satie Ramakrishna conjunct Sita In composite, Mahalingam conjunct Parvati Siva inconjunct Parvati Mahakala square parvati Mahalingam inconjunct Satie Hara conjunct Kaali (wide 5) Siva sextile Satie (3)
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posted July 19, 2014 01:11 PM
In my synastry:my Kaali trine his Shankar (2) his Kaali conjunct my Shankar (2) my Kaali sextile his Shiva (0) his Kaali opp my Shiva (3) his Kaali trine my Mahalingam (1) his Tara square my Rudra (0) my Satie trine his Hara (1) Composite Rudra conjunct Parvati (5) Tara conjunct Mahakala (4) Sun conjunct Mahalingam (6) all in the 7th house Kaali trine Siva (2) Kaali sextile Shankar (2) Satie opp Mahakala (1) Hara conjunct DSC (1) opp Venus exact. What does this aspect mean, Astro Keen?
We also have several aspects between these asteroids and Sun and Venus in synastry.
His Sita conjunct my Juno exact, fun fact His Sita trine my Raman (0)
Composite Sun conjunct Ramakrishna (6) Sita sextile Ramakrishna (2)
I haven't checked Davison. I'll check my parents too.
Thank you for these findings!
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amelia28 Knowflake Posts: 4149 From: Miami Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 19, 2014 01:48 PM
With husband in our midpoint composite we have, only focusing on tight conjunctions and not other aspects:Tara and Mahalingam conjunct by a little less than 3 orbs. In our synastry Satie conjuncts his Shankar by less than 2 orbs. (Plus his Sita squares my Ramakrishna by 3 orbs and trines my Rama by 4 orbs.) ____________________________________________ With my ex my Kaali and his Rudra trine by less than 2 orbs. Natally my ex Sita conjuncts Ramadhandran by one orb and his Sita trines exact my Raman. Natally my venus/mars are at the apex of a yod that inconjuncts Sita and my moon. In my davidson composite Raman conjuncts venus/moon and opposes Sita and Sita forms a grand trine with mercury and juno which creates a kite with one opposite end having Raman/Moon/Venus and in the other Sita: IP: Logged |
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posted July 19, 2014 02:12 PM
@ LeeLoo, Re: Hara conjunct DSC (1) opp Venus exact. I am extrapolating this from something iQ wrote. You'll probably be able to tell if this makes sense: You have a need to master the knowledge of the Divine Masculine traits, maybe through meeting a highly realized soulmate in life. @ Amelia, your chart helps to clarify the aspects you listed. Thanks. IP: Logged |
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posted July 19, 2014 02:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: I am extrapolating this from something iQ wrote. You'll probably be able to tell if this makes sense:You have a need to master the knowledge of the Divine Masculine traits, maybe through meeting a highly realized soul mate in life.
Hm...I hope it's not both of us meeting a Divine Masculine...although it's a threesome to my advantage, I guess  Just kidding. Thank you! I'm thinking perhaps our partnership involves some amount of "divine", soulmate-type love? What do you think? Venus is in 12th, one deg from the ASC.
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posted July 19, 2014 02:33 PM
Yes, of course. Meeting a realised soul will lead to a union between the masculine and the feminine and experiencing true and soulful love.Btw, I was wondering what was meant by divine masculine traits - and how would these be different for the feminine ones. Unless one is speaking of a union between Hara (masculine) and shakti (female power). Which is symbolised by the union of the kundalini power with Siva in the crown chakra.  IP: Logged |
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posted July 19, 2014 04:42 PM
You're doing perfectly fine perhaps here Hara unites with Venus, which is in fact, a form of the Divine Feminine. I was also thinking a "godly" asteroid like these on a composite angle, especially in connection to Venus, could mean there is some sort of divine protection for the couple, like a guardian angel. Another idea.
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posted July 19, 2014 04:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I was also thinking a "godly" asteroid like these on a composite angle, especially in connection to Venus, could mean there is some sort of divine protection for the couple, like a guardian angel. Another idea.
*smacks head* You were referring to the composite! And I to a natal. Composite - yes, definitely a soulmate indicator. Nice idea too about divine protection if on the Dsc.
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Blind writer Knowflake Posts: 859 From: Texas, USA Registered: May 2012
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posted July 19, 2014 05:32 PM
KAALI, SIVA, PARVATI, and RUDRA in particular feature for me.Though I admit to being unfamiliar with the other asteroids, so wouldn't even know where to begin in interpreting these connections, much less their nuances. Geo synastry --- PARVATI sesq MAHALINGAM 1° KAALI sextile RUDRA 0° TARA square SIVA 1° TARA conj MAHAKALA 1° TARA sextile SHAMKAR 1° SATIE square SIVA 3° SATIE opp MAHAKALA 2° SATIE trine SHANKAR 2° SATIE square MAHALINGAM 2°
SIVA sesq KAALI 2° SIVA sesq TARA 2° RUDRA square KAALI 2° RUDRA square TARA 2° SHANKAR quintile KAALI 0° SHANKAR quintile TARA 0° MAHALINGAM sextile PARVATI 2° HARA conj PARVATI 0° ========== Helio synastry --- PARVATI trine RUDRA 2° PARVATI trine MAHALINGAM 2° PARVATI quincunx HARA 2° KAALI conj SIVA 1° KAALI quincunx SHANKAR 2° TARA quincunx RUDRA 2° TARA square MAHALINGAM 2° TARA trine HARA 2° SIVA square PARVATI 3° SIVA quincunx KAALI 0° SIVA sesq TARA 0° SIVA semisq SATIE 1° RUDRA sesq KAALI 0° RUDRA quincunx TARA 1° RUDRA trine SATIE 1° SHANKAR sextile TARA 0° SHANKAR semisextile SATIE 1° MAHALINGAM opp TARA 1° MAHALINGAM square SATIE 2° HARA trine KAALI 2° ========== Geo composite --- PARVATI conj SIVA 1° KAALI trine SIVA 0° KAALI sesq SHANKAR 0° TARA semisextile MAHALINGAM 2° SATIE quincunx SIVA 2° SATIE semisquare SHANKAR 2° The composite conjunction to CHIRON and opp to MARS is interesting to me, especially in light of SIVA's dual positioning. IP: Logged |
MorpHnStorM Knowflake Posts: 376 From: Registered: Oct 2013
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posted July 19, 2014 06:23 PM
Here are a few aspects with my "TF"/Divine Complement and I that I caught at a glance (nothing is over 2.5):gt-Synastry: Raman-Sita sxt. My Mahalingam-Sita trine his Hara. My Hara squ. his Mahakala-Tara, sxt. his Shankar. His Satie sxt. my Shankar. My Satie opp. sxt. his Siva. My Mahakala sxt his Kaali. My Tara sxt. his Rudra. My Siva trine his Kaali. His Rudra conj. my Rudra. His Kaali sxt. my Mahakala. Our gt-Composite (I've included other Vedic asteroids here as they are significant in synastry too): Additional Asteroids: Raman @ 27 Leo 44 Sita @ 4 Gem 39 Ramakrishna @ 14 Aqu 08 Ramachandran @ 18 Sco 0 Krishnan @ 3 Tau 20 Hanuman-Nada @ 14 Tau 26-33 Vishnu @ 13 Sag 29 Garuda @ 16 Sag 48 Samadhi @ 7 Pis 44 Kama @ 7 Vir 3 Soma @ 11 Lib 59 Parana @ 13 Can 46 Aditi @ 28 Sag 9 Anand @ 14 Can 30 Some more extras since I have em handy for the composite): Valentine @ 10 Vir 37 Amor @ 22 Gem 34 Alma @ 18 Can 0 Union @ 14 Leo 34 Spirit @ 12 Aqu 12 Aura @ 16 Pis 46 Angel @ 24 Lib 53 Karma @ 21 Leo 10 Aeternitas @ 24 Leo 46 d-Synastry: Raman-Sita conj. His Kaali trine my Mahalingam, sxt. my Satie, qux. my Kaali. His Satie trine my Hara. His Parvati squ. my Siva. His Rudra trine my Shankar. h-Synastry: His Satie conj. my Hara, trine my Siva His Shankar conj. my Tara His Mahalingam trine my Shankar My Rudra sxt. his Parvati My Parvati conj. Mahakala-Tara-Rudra His Rudra-Tara-Mahakala trine my Satie There are a lot of planet/angle/Node contacts that are also involved here, but I have only listed the asteroids for now. If you're interested in seeing the planets/angles/Nodes (and other vedic asteroids) here too, I can post them. Likewise, if you'd like to see the other composites, I can post them as well.
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posted July 19, 2014 08:09 PM
Thank you Morph.@ Blind Writer, how would you categorise your relationship? Is it a recent one? Is it just me or is it others too who find the number of cross aspects amazing. Perhaps this is because it is a special sample of SM/TF relationships. Will take an extra long chart to find "most common" or prominent. What is particularly impressive are the major aspects to planets, which according to iQ are indicative of past lives in India. That is no more remarkable than past lives in Ancient Egypt. IP: Logged |
MorpHnStorM Knowflake Posts: 376 From: Registered: Oct 2013
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posted July 19, 2014 09:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Thank you Morph.@ Blind Writer, how would you categorise your relationship? Is it a recent one? Is it just me or is it others too who find the number of cross aspects amazing. Perhaps this is because it is a special sample of SM/TF relationships. Will take an extra long chart to find "most common" or prominent. What is particularly impressive are the major aspects to planets, which according to iQ are indicative of past lives in India. That is no more remarkable than past lives in Ancient Egypt.
YW, and it is definitely very interesting...Here are a few aspects including the planets/angles/Nodes just from gt-Synastry (will have to share more from the other charts at another time): His Mars conj. my Sun-Mahalingam-Sita-Avx, opp. my Mars-Satie-Garuda, squ. my Kaali-Hanuman. *a G-cross is created that involves the above with his Mars, Venus-Uranus-Anand, Chiron, and Soma with my Sun-Sita-Mahalingam-AVx, Vx, Mars-Satie-Garuda, and Kaali-Hanuman. My Sun-Mahalingam-Sita-Avx trine his Vx-Hara. My Mercury-Hara conj. his SNode, squ. his Mahakala-Tara, trine his Mercury-Pallas, sext his Shankar. *Mercury is dominant in both our charts, rules both our 4ths, his 7th, and my 12th. His Satie sext my Shankar. My Satie opp his Mars, squ. his Chiron, sext, his Siva. My Mahakala sext his Kaali-Pholus. My Tara-Chiron squ. his Pluto, sext. his Rudra. My Siva-NNode squ. his Sun-Juno, trine his Kaali-Pholus. My Parvati trine his Neptune, sext his Pluto. His Mahakala-Tara trine my Vx His Parvati sext. my Moon-IC, trine my MC His Rudra conj. my Rudra, squ. my Pluto My Rudra squ. his Neptune. His Kaali-Pholus trine my NNode/sext. SNode, sext. my Mahakala. Other bits and pieces: A dw Kaali-Hanuman-Nada that I have been curious about: my Kaali-Hanuman conj. his Nada-Chiron, his Kaali-Pholus opp my Nada, and his Hanuman conj. my Nada. I've inquired about this one in the past, but never got a response. My Vishnu and Samadhi on his AC-Moon, his Vishnu on my IC-Moon (his AC-Moon conj. my MC). His Garuda conj. my Jupiter. Sorry this is a mess. I keep meaning to take down all of the exact degrees for these notes, but just haven't gotten around to it! Blind Writer, thanks for sharing your charts too. IP: Logged |
Blind writer Knowflake Posts: 859 From: Texas, USA Registered: May 2012
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posted July 20, 2014 12:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: @ Blind Writer, how would you categorise your relationship? Is it a recent one?
My Great Young Love (really need a shorthand for this). Karmic and fated. Soulmate, for sure. There is no one else I've met who's struck such an immediate and powerful chord in me - heck, I asked for a goodnight kiss within hours of meeting him. That was approximately 18 yrs ago - we're still in touch, but we presently live in different countries, which hinders a relationship. I would describe our dynamic as "eternally stuck on each other, always waiting to unite". I'm hesitant to assign any labels beyond that. A soul-tie, strong, unbreakable. IP: Logged |
amelia28 Knowflake Posts: 4149 From: Miami Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 21, 2014 11:32 AM
I have always suspected this friend/lover could be my TF. In addition to having Tara and Mahalingam conjunct by 2 orbs and Kaali and Mahakala conjunct by 3 orbs, we also have Isis and Osiris conjunct by sign in davidson, and osiris conjuncts by one orb or less our moon/juno conjunction in davidson.This is our Midpoint Composite, destinn/eros/valetine conjunct tightly at the apex of a YOD that INCONJUNTs pluto/union and Neptune. Another Yod involves pluto/union at the apex inconjunct eros and inconjunct moon. Karma conjuncts tightly the DC, we also have angel at 24 degrees libra and Psyche at 19 degrees libra: I will add our synastry shortly, we have a tara/Mahalingam double whammy conjunction; one conjunction is exact and the other is by 4 orbs. In addition we have isis trine osiris by 2 orbs. His alma at 26 degrees in aqua opposes my venus/karma by less than 3 orbs. His vertex conjuncts my valentine by less then one orb and it also conjuncts my venus/karma by 4 orbs and my mars by 5 orbs. His karma trines exact my mars and by one orb my venus. Our karma is not bad though; his saturn conjuncts my southnode by one orb and his venus conjuncts widely by 9 orbs my SN. Our karma is like circumstances not allowing us to be together; I don't feel I have karma with him to be honest. We love each other freely without possessing and are there for each other and have never hurt each other. He is not like my other relationships that feel karmic and involve pain; with him is just love, understanding, non-judgement and patience: IP: Logged |
amelia28 Knowflake Posts: 4149 From: Miami Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 21, 2014 04:35 PM
Do you know of any other asteroids that mean the same as ISIS and OSIRIS???IP: Logged |
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posted July 21, 2014 04:50 PM
Amelia,Here's a quote from iQ which may answer your question if you were looking for their significance as a soulmate pair. "A conjunction of Soul Mate Pair Asteroids in the Natal Chart is like a 99% guarantee of at least one loving Soulmate Relationship in this incarnation, with a high chance of it being a Twin Flame relationship. Thus, any of Isis conjunct Osiris, Eros conjunct Psyche and Siva conj Parvati aspects are very positive for an individual. " He later added Kaali/Rudra to this group. IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2014 12:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Amelia,Here's a quote from iQ which may answer your question if you were looking for their significance as a soulmate pair. "A conjunction of Soul Mate Pair Asteroids in the Natal Chart is like a 99% guarantee of at least one loving Soulmate Relationship in this incarnation, with a high chance of it being a Twin Flame relationship. Thus, any of Isis conjunct Osiris, Eros conjunct Psyche and Siva conj Parvati aspects are very positive for an individual. " He later added Kaali/Rudra to this group.
Thanks... I have Tara conjunct by sign Mahalingam. In 2026 my progressed chart will have Tara and Mahalingam both at 13 44 conjunct Exact. This guy I told you that I have in synastry the double whammy between these two I do feel a powerful kundalini rise when I am with him intimately sometimes even when I think of him but it always completely shocks me that been with him can make me feel like that. That is the gift I received with him. I wonder if having both at 13 44 in progression means I will be able to achieve this kundalini rise on my own around that time....I am surprise to see that at some point they will conjunct exact bc having them close in progression does not guarantee that they would approach to the point of forming an exact conjunction. BUMPING IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2014 01:36 PM
Amelia,To know of your experiences and related aspects is VERY helpful. The whole idea of this investigation is to check if any other asteroid pairs are as powerful as Shiva/Parvati or Rudra/Kaali. I have an inkling that Mahaingam is a significant asteroid. Or it could be particularly relevant for kundalini in synastry. Pity 2026 is such a long way ahead. Very interesting observation though and very likely as you suggest. It would be the unification of male and female energies. Barbara Hand Clow said that a true kundalini connection is the result of the union of positive and negative electrical energies. The feminine principal receives and is negative whilst the main principal projects and is positive - Tara and Mahalingam! Perhaps someone else could add their thoughts on progressions here. Mahalingam appears to have two meanings. Some believe that it represents a phallic symbol, basically a potent force (very trantra related in that case). Whilst early Hindu texts ascribe greater meanings to it. See this contribution by IQ: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003002.html Mahalingam is conjunct planets in charts of some very good, inspiring people, which seems to place it in the same category as other Vedic gods. ps. I started this thread at a super busy time for me!! Am gradually collating data and will post later. IP: Logged | |