posted September 05, 2014 08:08 AM            

And of course, if you accept to be with him while he is in a relationship, why would he give up on her when he can have both of you at the same time? A player's dream.

posted September 05, 2014 12:41 PM            

To be clear; I’m not talking about right/wrong good/bad or something of that order here, just about the fact of A connection. OR: the big pull.

At this current moment his progressed Venus is “separating” from a conjunction to Sis’ natal Sun, with orb 1,5.

^ besides the “struggle” there was definitely a lot of love in the air the past few years. It’s HIS Venus so that could underline HIS pursuing .. and her more ‘distancing’ here. But this aspect is separating which means a FADING feeling somehow/somewhere, which might also underline sis’ current consideration to quit with the guy. A progressed Sun/Venus aspect – as we all might know, is considered to be the strongest-pull-of-all, although the progressed Venus-Venus and Venus-Mars version is also very strong (venus-venus a more sweet & lovable pull and venus-mars a more sexual pull).

Another factor for the “big on/off struggle” but strong sexual pull the past few years;

- Her progressed Venus 7 Pisces
- His progressed Mars 5,5 Sag

^ a separating square already at this moment. But ofcourse, this one appeared at-the-same-time with that very nice Sun/Venus above.

BUT.. there’s waaay more currently in the progressions. Another factor to underline her quit-consideration;

Her progressed Sun – 15,5 Aqua
His natal Venus – 16,5 Scorp

^ An almost exact Sun/Venus square, well, this one will still take a year to reach its peak. Also a very strong pull but a big obstacle at-the-same-time. This one usually has a separating effect, on whatever level.

BUT.. what’s keeping them then so close and connected currently?

Well, literally THIS;

Her progressed Venus – 7 Pisces
His natal Mars – 7’47 Scorp.

^ wow! A tight applying V/M trine.

That’s - for the 2nd time - a double feeling.. an obstacle from the S/V square but a big sensual pull from V/M.

posted September 05, 2014 04:07 PM            

I think astro.com does not give you progressed chart ? - I don't even know the name for it... Do you do them manually ?

posted September 05, 2014 06:16 PM            

Why am I saying this ^ .. well, just because it's sometimes really tempting to go back to basic without any real reason ;D

Sis, yes.. you can all find it on astro.com.
I'm pretty skilled now in finding birth data from a visual wheel but without the real TOB/ASC/ANGLES as that would be impossible.. but no worry about that as u don't need it to tell the story. Venus/Mars/Sun/Moon suffice. That's the miracle of progressions.

This is my way; go to "progressed composite chart" and pull the table out of it by clicking on "additional tables" .. and there you will see it all (both progressed charts).. well, ofcourse, you also have to pull those "additional tables" for your synastry, otherwise you can't compare... and possibly also some "progressed composite - additional tables" for the past & future to see what's up ..

posted September 05, 2014 06:49 PM            

Now, I will follow your instructions and try to see whatelse is there for me and my man in the future... thank you so much !

posted September 05, 2014 08:40 PM            

- we take each progressed chart separetely and check the aspects they are making to the natal charts

- we also check the aspects in between the progressed charts

- then interrelate them to eachother

I see a Venus Pis 7 sextile Venus Cap 6,

I see my Mars Cap 10 conjunct his Venus Cap 6

I think it's applying.. just to be sure how do you tell if it's applying or separating ?

,,, in our progressed composite we have applying Venus trine Pluto, sextile neptune

posted September 06, 2014 12:43 PM            

pVenus (UNLESS retro/stationary) moves always a bit faster than pSun. The Sun one degree a year. Venus a little over one degree a year. So, pVenus will usually pass pSun. But progressed-to-progressed aspects are really the slow movers, compared to progressed-to-natal aspects, which means that it will take much longer for the p-to-p aspects to come into the “assumed tangible ” orb of 2 degree applying. On the other hand, WHEN a p-to-p comes into orb, you gain a lot more time together as it will usually take yearssssss for it to pass. That will be happening with his progressed Venus to your progressed Mars. A long & strong one. It will reach its peak (exact) in january 2022. And during that peak-moment his pVenus is also conjunct your natal Venus! (well, literally 1,5 degree applying then). For what I see, no obstacle aspects at that time… well, that will be the first time, not?

I don’t pay much attention to sextiles in the progressions as they usually simply don’t DO it. The other aspects will always win it from that one. Also in the progressed composite I only look at strong conjunctions and oppositions like Venus/Mars and Sun/Venus.. simply because the underlying geometry of those are amazing and I get the impression they might be significant. But we really must be wary of taking things into account that simply DON’T work.. it’s very easy to see things we wanna see.. while research has proven time-after-time that it’s all about Venus-Venus, Mars-Venus and Sun-Venus.. so those are THE ones to look at.

You didn’t tell me that Aubyanne (nice name btw)

posted September 10, 2014 06:27 PM            

an update; as far as I can follow from facebook they broke up. And the reason might be him taking pictures of a pool dancer %80 naked in private, and the dancer shared those photos on facebook with naughty sexy comments about him I am happy that they broke up. But he has not called yet. About him taking nude photos of women, well he is a director,we can use this as an excuse ? hým ? no ?

hey we have an applying Venus trine Mars. Besides, I know he just can't let me go. So, I keep fingers crossed and throw the dice and fall in love. Really ?

posted September 10, 2014 06:29 PM            

an update; as far as I can follow from facebook they broke up. And the reason might be him taking pictures of a pool dancer %80 naked in private, and the dancer shared those photos on facebook with naughty sexy comments about him... I am happy that they broke up. But he has not called yet. About him taking nude photos of women, well he is a director,we can use this as an excuse ? hým ? no ?

hey we have an applying Venus trine Mars. Besides, I know he just can't let me go. So, I keep fingers crossed and throw the dice and fall in love. Really ?

posted September 12, 2014 06:45 PM            

And no, not the blame on director. The guy needs an outlet once in a while to recharge himself for the next bossy episode … yess!

Ow.. and this, once and for all; you NEVER bore me, in fact, I EXPECT you to update me once in a while, at least until 2022… well.. that’s due to sticking my nose in other people's progressions

I will always be curious to how this will work out… the square + the current trine! (for now).

Ow.. and that sexe-thing.. mutual reception, yess.. well said… it’s also a pretty new and very interesting perspective for myself.. thanks to a recent thread here…

PS,
I think I'm going to save the threads I worked on under my favorites.. suppose one day I can't find them anymore! That would be awwwwful..

posted September 12, 2014 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
I love him. He is the only man so far -and I am 40- who I can be truly intimate with... I can be direct and honest with him... I feel more alive when I am with him. And I fantasy together we can accomplish great things.. No matter what, it seems we easily forgive eachother... I have guilty concious -we're in this mess because of me, we could have a proper relationship but I prevented it- He does not let me go and I like it.. But then on the other hand I don't trust him enough... He makes a move and then become evasive...

Sex is great.. And yeah sex matters to me...

I did get away from him for longer than 21 days... As soon as I come back, he gives me call... There was a time I did not return his calls for over a year, he did not give up..

One of my best friend is a relationship therapist... She knows him.. and even she cant figure out what this is all about...
She says he is either a psycho or he denies his feelings because he does not see me as an ideal partner but can't let me go either becuase I am his sunshine ( sun square pluto syastry )

Here is my decision; I can talk with him on the phone but till he cuts his ties with the other woman I will refuse to see him..

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posted September 18, 2014 02:05 PM            

He called, I wemt, as soon as I arrived he started venting about the other woman and why they broke up... He was accusing her for being to jealous, how they did not get along, how she tried to lock him up, how she was so suspicious of him.. bla bla bla... The photos and the pole dancer caused a fight and she accused him for cheating her, he denied,she left him.. Anywa my response was you're so subjective, yoou want everything to be on your terms, you're a player, you're a liar, and you can't even be honest with yourself. He approved all except being a player.. he also confessed he slept with the pole dancer... anyway..

I found myself standing up for the other wonan and I recommended him to come clean and tell her the truth which she already knows. I added I don't know how she will react to it but at least you will gain your self respect. He agreed and decided to write her a letter, not because he wanted her back but because he did not want her to hate him. He promised to himself not be lovers with any woman he is not in love with again bla bla bla..

It was such a long conversation.. some of the things he said; you're the only person that I talk to openly and then he can't do this with other women because he fears loosing them. phew ! I said don'T u fear loosing me, he bend his head and said no but I will be very sad... then at some point he asked me " will you marry me" appr. 15min later he told me he is not in love with me... what the fxxk

today he uploaded some artistic photos of her that he has taken this summer during a trip and she responded...

I think something is wrong with his head. And to be continuing to play this game makes me think something must be wrong with my head as well..

posted September 18, 2014 03:18 PM            

For him, I think he could never settle down with anyone but an incredibly strong woman that everyone respects, and that in the traditional feminine sense - a mater familias. You were school mates, so you probably know this - what was his mother like? And how was his parents' marriage? Is he perchance Italian?

As per your Mars-Neptune conjunction, you're deluding yourself and enjoying a fantasy - his Moon squaring your SN/Moon - NN/Mars/Neptune Axis is the big attractant to me here. I would say that you won't let him out of your life until you learn the lessons of your natal Nodal Axis and feel comfortable with yourself.

Do you do any creative work? You mention he's in the Arts, are you? My intuitive guess is that the way that you'll stop referring to him so much is to take hold of your own creative powers and learn to express your artistic side. This is all also driven by your H12 Sun/AC conjunction.

His Eros on your DC and his Moon in your H8 show us why you're so comfortable with him sexually.

posted September 19, 2014 04:39 AM            

His father cheated on her mother, they got divorced many moons ago. Both are still single. His father had several other affairs, now he is 73 and from time to time a Russian woman comes for a visit. seems like he is his role model..

He was just a classmate... We were not in touch for nearly 18 years..

I am creative but not earning my life via creatiive works.But my friends in the creative fields use my ideas pretty often ( including him ) I write and people find me extremely talented and they keep telling me I should sit down for the book. I don't instead I help friends by working with them on their writing projects. A best seller has my days & nights effort in it.
If I can finish the scripts that I have started he is into directng them..

But well I am always distracted.. I always thought one day I will truly focus and create a masterpiece.. But well time is running out and I am still distracted.. maybe next life :S The 12th house maybe causes creativity behind the scenes :S

Anyway,I like people being blunt. It is more useful than sugarcoating things... I agree with most of the things you said. Him not respecting me, that part I am blind to I guess...

posted September 21, 2014 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by sis:
To an extent, borderline theory might be correct. But a softer version may be

His father cheated on her mother, they got divorced many moons ago. Both are still single. His father had several other affairs, now he is 73 and from time to time a Russian woman comes for a visit. seems like he is his role model..

He was just a classmate... We were not in touch for nearly 18 years..

I am creative but not earning my life via creatiive works.But my friends in the creative fields use my ideas pretty often ( including him ) I write and people find me extremely talented and they keep telling me I should sit down for the book. I don't instead I help friends by working with them on their writing projects. A best seller has my days & nights effort in it.
If I can finish the scripts that I have started he is into directng them..

But well I am always distracted.. I always thought one day I will truly focus and create a masterpiece.. But well time is running out and I am still distracted.. maybe next life :S The 12th house maybe causes creativity behind the scenes :S

Anyway,I like people being blunt. It is more useful than sugarcoating things... I agree with most of the things you said. Him not respecting me, that part I am blind to I guess...

Mars conjunct Neptune has been so problematic in my love life.. next life... next life...

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As for your creative projects... this does not look like a "next life" chart to me. This looks like a THIS LIFE chart to me. You need to take control of your creative energy and work for your own ends. This is a very important lesson for you, in THIS LIFE. Until you do, you will likely find yourself constantly projecting those issues on the men in your life, when what you need is to take the reigns in your own hands.
The more you "give away" your creative power, the less power you have over it, and the less say you have over your own life.