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Aubyanne
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posted September 21, 2014 01:19 PM
  
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
His Eros on your DC and his Moon in your H8 show us why you're so comfortable with him sexually.
Oh, now THAT's interesting. The 8H individual is the one who feels comfortable with sexual expression regarding the MOON individual, and not the other way around? Or rather, it's a one-sided deal? That would make a lot of sense. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 21, 2014 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
As for your creative projects... this does not look like a "next life" chart to me. This looks like a THIS LIFE chart to me. You need to take control of your creative energy and work for your own ends. This is a very important lesson for you, in THIS LIFE. Until you do, you will likely find yourself constantly projecting those issues on the men in your life, when what you need is to take the reigns in your own hands. The more you "give away" your creative power, the less power you have over it, and the less say you have over your own life. Taking control and ownership of that part of yourself is one of your biggest life lessons.
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sis
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posted September 21, 2014 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, now THAT's interesting. The 8H individual is the one who feels comfortable with sexual expression regarding the MOON individual, and not the other way around? Or rather, it's a one-sided deal? That would make a lot of sense.
From my point of view, it's not one sided. We're talking about an affair of 5 years. An affair that still goes on because the guy does not let go, not the other way around. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 21, 2014 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by sis:
From my point of view, it's not one sided. We're talking about an affair of 5 years. An affair that still goes on because the guy does not let go, not the other way around.
That could be FAR more than the single aspect. I'm curious, as to how libran_dream was interpreting it -- which I don't disagree with. It would actually make sense that, rather than, as I'VE gleaned and, I thought, witnessed -- the emotional energy doesn't go into the 8H as much as the 8H feels the energy. Rather, the MOON is unaware. IP: Logged |
sis
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posted September 21, 2014 02:53 PM
libran_dream pointed out the reason why I am sexually comfortable with him. She did not say it's one sided or anything closer to that. Let's ask her  I don't know really. I am not expert in synastry. But my logic tells me moon person has to be effected as well but how.. should be investigated... IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 21, 2014 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by sis:
libran_dream pointed out the reason why I am sexually comfortable with him. She did not say it's one sided or anything closer to that. Let's ask her I don't know really. I am not expert in synastry. But my logic tells me moon person has to be effected as well but how.. should be investigated...
That's the real question. I've been studying the 8H MOON overlay for awhile now, and I think it's in the aspects, and the natal positioning of the MOON -- perhaps even how active the 8H is in the native's chart. It's been a curiosity of mine, for awhile, whether he actually gets anything out of our sexual relationship. He just doesn't enjoy sex, or have any need for it. So I wonder how our specific 8H MOON overlay is operating. IP: Logged |
libran_dream
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posted September 21, 2014 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by sis:
I keep telling this to myself, my friends keep telling me this... It's just I can't do it. And yes you are right I always fall for creative man... always... hopefully, I will learn the lesson soon :S
I wish you lots of luck with that, embrace your talents and take your work seriously, you can do it! 
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, now THAT's interesting. The 8H individual is the one who feels comfortable with sexual expression regarding the MOON individual, and not the other way around? Or rather, it's a one-sided deal? That would make a lot of sense.
The way I interpret house overlays is that the planet person brings a specific energy to a part of the house person's life. Then the energies start blending. That's why I prefer doing synastry to individual astrology - the blending is fascinating, and can be so, so complicated. In this case, his instincts, his inner femininity, his self-comfort falls in the area of her life where she houses her sexuality. So, basically, she is the one that allows him there, but it is his easy, intuitive energy, that prompts her to be comfortable with letting him in. Feedback loop, so to say. The Moon can be unaware, yes. But this will depend on how the native owns their own Moon. If it's a very Lunar person, they'll know what they feel, and maybe even with a high degree of precision.
With most (but obviously not even close to all) men, just because they're raised and conditioned that way, it will remain in the subconscious. So usually - in the body. Body language, physical expression, gestures, outbursts etc. Basically, sublimated Lunar/emotional energy. This is why I think so many astrologers will look at the Moon as a sexual planet for men, but not for women. Emotional repression.
But that's just my interpretation. Anyways, both people are always affected. Any relationship has two sides. But the effect on each one will depend on what the affected means to them, and if they want it used in the way the other person provides. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 21, 2014 03:38 PM
Thanks, libran. Yep. He has no idea. Completely detached from the whole thing. Huh. So, I can cross MOON / 8H overlay off 'the list'. IP: Logged |
libran_dream
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posted September 21, 2014 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Thanks, libran. Yep. He has no idea. Completely detached from the whole thing. Huh. So, I can cross MOON / 8H overlay off 'the list'.
I'm not sure I get what you're saying. If you're crossing it off the list for finding reasons why you're drawn together, then you need to be looking precisely at "unaware" planets. Those are the ones that need the attention. I don't mean that in the sense of the research(but also, yes), but in the sense of what keeps a person there. The more subconscious a planetary expression, the more pull it has. The more a man, or woman, disowns a planet, the deeper it will bind them to a relationship that gives it light and ground to grow. The more aware you are of an energy within you, the more you can synthesize that energy for yourself, and don't need it from others so urgently.Ie, a man that disowns his own more tender emotions, his instincts etc. - his Moon - will be drawn incredibly strongly to relationships where that Moon is given expression. Because the disowning is suffocating. And we all, ultimately, strive for balance. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 21, 2014 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
... a man that disowns his own more tender emotions, his instincts etc. - his Moon - will be drawn incredibly strongly to relationships where that Moon is given expression. Because the disowning is suffocating. And we all, ultimately, strive for balance.
He's so different. I avoid accepting that, and just continuing to try and work at it. I become very conflicted. I'm also opening a new thread, so as to not derail this one. Sorry, sis! IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 21, 2014 05:02 PM
libran_dream, I opened the new thread here. You've had the best assessment of things thus far; I'd love your input. It feels that I'm really fighting a losing battle here.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001047.html IP: Logged |
sis
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posted September 22, 2014 01:58 PM
Which placements & aspects make someone a lunar person ? He has Moon in Virgo in the 1st house; his moon aspects are as bad as mine, mainly oppositions and squares...
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Aubyanne
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posted September 22, 2014 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by sis:
Which placements & aspects make someone a lunar person ? He has Moon in Virgo in the 1st house; his moon aspects are as bad as mine, mainly oppositions and squares...
Then he's fighting his MOON, too. Which is rough, because it's so strong when rising. But squares and oppositions ... blegh. No good. And your MOON, MARS, and NEPTUNE all square it. That's definitely a lot of friction, confusion, as well as attraction. But I get the back-and-forth and 'ephemeral' nature of the relationship from that vantage. IP: Logged |
sis
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posted September 22, 2014 06:52 PM
I see... well... I will update if anything major happens...thank you all for sharing your insights and knowledge IP: Logged |
sis
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posted March 04, 2015 09:51 PM
UPDATE;I need help. I am obssesed more than ever with this guy. I constantly think about him. to the point that I can not do anything else... I ve got a job to do but it has been days still I could not start doing it... I am giving an update to you because I can not talk about it with my friends anymore. I am keeping my big crush as a secret... Also, maybe if I write here, it might help me to put things in perspective... I lost the plot... on october; due to an environmental protest in our neighbourhood, we kept seeing eachother but constantly argued. he was very depressed, in a dark mood and was having constant headaches due to unknown reason.. the doctors could not find anything.. his job prospects were not showing up and he was worried he could have a financial crisis.. And the other woman was crying constantly on facebook, twitter about her lost love.. She one day showed up in front of his door and asked for togetherness which he refused and told her that he can't recall his feelings for her. That's what he told me... The same day, at night he was performing in a club with his band and I was there with my gang ( my close pal's wedding was right next door ) I was happy and drunk and I told him let's have sex tonight and he refused ! I was so mad at him and hýmm don't remember what I said but later when I was outside with my friends, he showed up and gave me explainations on how bad he was feeling, this and that.. Gave me a kiss which I did not return. I was cold. Mostly, I just stared at him. And as we were saying goodbye and going opposite directions I asked him to set me free and he told me he will call me. He did. I went to his house.. He complained about my proposal about sex. According to him I should have asked him to join me and my friends.. I said my proposal for sex was just a loving gesture.. Anyway.. At the end we had the biggest, most heartbreaking arguement we ever had. He apologised right after the arguement.but I felt deeply hurt.. I told him I no longer feel comfortable with him... And left... Then I got sick. Due to sadness not because of him but because of my mother's health condition which came about pretty much at the same time.. I had infections everywhere including my vagina and my tiroid hormones were not functioning anymore.. I did not respond to antibiotics for 2 months and god knows I was suicidal.. Spending my time at hospital corridors.. thanks to my great great loving friends, with their support and care I recovered. during this period of time, we spoke a few times via facebook - celebrating our birthdays and his critic on my script.. at some point he called me and asked me if I could find a job for a friend of his in a beachtown where I lived a couple of years and go every year. I did. The week after we came across at the grocey and he tried to give a kiss but I was not expecting it so I turned my cheek unintentionaly and we just conversed. He was looking deeply sad so I felt like giving a call to him next day. I asked if he is ok and he said he is, added not as bad as when we had the arguement.. He invited me for a visit that day. I said ok but we did not set the time.. With this part I am confused.. I think we had a miscommunication.. He did not call, I did not call.. then one night I was with a friend who is an event organiser, I recommended his band and he liked them so I called him, he sounded very pleased... and you know the sound of his voice...anywany.. a week later the other woman tagged his pictures she took recently... Bang ! can't describe how my heart was hit ! the event was 2 weeks ago. I was up and happy... I was popular and looking quite good.. The moment I saw him sitting next to the other woman, we had an eye contact.. His face went into shadowns and the next minute he was sitting with her anymore.. I danced the night away.. when the performances were over I was in a corner with other musicians and friends..chatting.. I did not realise his arrival until he called me " hey crazy, come over here, I came here for you" I moved myself next to him.. And we had an intimate, deep, loving conversation. I asked him if he was with her again. He said yes and then added " remember you said you want peace, that's why I got back to her to have peace "... .... at the end of our convesation we said our " I love you"s and hugged each other... after the event we spoke 2 times on the phone - asking for numbers... that's it.. as far as I can follow from the facebook she and him not spending time together * a week maybe.. aggh... sorry for giving every tiny bit of the story.. as I said my friends think it's over and I don't give a damn... the more he distances himself, the more I fall for him. the more I fall for him the less I feel comfortable with him.. the less I feel comfortable with him, the more our conversations become awkward.. aghh.. I hate my natal Venus square Pluto. I don't know what to do. I am compulsively thinking about him. I feel guilty because I am not doing the things I should, must.. I have to concentrate on my work.. but can't.. come on.. beat me up... I need wise words to shake me up.. stupid me.. can't accept the fact that he does not love me enough. I am cheating myself.. believing we are meant to be together.. in our composite chart we have sun conjunct neptune, mercury conjucnt neptune, venus conjunct neptune.... how can I stop this.. I need to stop this..
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sis
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posted March 04, 2015 09:52 PM
UPDATE;I need help. I am obssesed more than ever with this guy. I constantly think about him. to the point that I can not do anything else... I ve got a job to do but it has been days still I could not start doing it... I am giving an update to you because I can not talk about it with my friends anymore. I am keeping my big crush as a secret... Also, maybe if I write here, it might help me to put things in perspective... I lost the plot... on october; due to an environmental protest in our neighbourhood, we kept seeing eachother but constantly argued. he was very depressed, in a dark mood and was having constant headaches due to unknown reason.. the doctors could not find anything.. his job prospects were not showing up and he was worried he could have a financial crisis.. And the other woman was crying constantly on facebook, twitter about her lost love.. She one day showed up in front of his door and asked for togetherness which he refused and told her that he can't recall his feelings for her. That's what he told me... The same day, at night he was performing in a club with his band and I was there with my gang ( my close pal's wedding was right next door ) I was happy and drunk and I told him let's have sex tonight and he refused ! I was so mad at him and hýmm don't remember what I said but later when I was outside with my friends, he showed up and gave me explainations on how bad he was feeling, this and that.. Gave me a kiss which I did not return. I was cold. Mostly, I just stared at him. And as we were saying goodbye and going opposite directions I asked him to set me free and he told me he will call me. He did. I went to his house.. He complained about my proposal about sex. According to him I should have asked him to join me and my friends.. I said my proposal for sex was just a loving gesture.. Anyway.. At the end we had the biggest, most heartbreaking arguement we ever had. He apologised right after the arguement.but I felt deeply hurt.. I told him I no longer feel comfortable with him... And left... Then I got sick. Due to sadness not because of him but because of my mother's health condition which came about pretty much at the same time.. I had infections everywhere including my vagina and my tiroid hormones were not functioning anymore.. I did not respond to antibiotics for 2 months and god knows I was suicidal.. Spending my time at hospital corridors.. thanks to my great great loving friends, with their support and care I recovered. during this period of time, we spoke a few times via facebook - celebrating our birthdays and his critic on my script.. at some point he called me and asked me if I could find a job for a friend of his in a beachtown where I lived a couple of years and go every year. I did. The week after we came across at the grocey and he tried to give a kiss but I was not expecting it so I turned my cheek unintentionaly and we just conversed. He was looking deeply sad so I felt like giving a call to him next day. I asked if he is ok and he said he is, added not as bad as when we had the arguement.. He invited me for a visit that day. I said ok but we did not set the time.. With this part I am confused.. I think we had a miscommunication.. He did not call, I did not call.. then one night I was with a friend who is an event organiser, I recommended his band and he liked them so I called him, he sounded very pleased... and you know the sound of his voice...anywany.. a week later the other woman tagged his pictures she took recently... Bang ! can't describe how my heart was hit ! the event was 2 weeks ago. I was up and happy... I was popular and looking quite good.. The moment I saw him sitting next to the other woman, we had an eye contact.. His face went into shadowns and the next minute he was sitting with her anymore.. I danced the night away.. when the performances were over I was in a corner with other musicians and friends..chatting.. I did not realise his arrival until he called me " hey crazy, come over here, I came here for you" I moved myself next to him.. And we had an intimate, deep, loving conversation. I asked him if he was with her again. He said yes and then added " remember you said you want peace, that's why I got back to her to have peace "... .... at the end of our convesation we said our " I love you"s and hugged each other... after the event we spoke 2 times on the phone - asking for numbers... that's it.. as far as I can follow from the facebook she and him not spending time together * a week maybe.. aggh... sorry for giving every tiny bit of the story.. as I said my friends think it's over and I don't give a damn... the more he distances himself, the more I fall for him. the more I fall for him the less I feel comfortable with him.. the less I feel comfortable with him, the more our conversations become awkward.. aghh.. I hate my natal Venus square Pluto. I don't know what to do. I am compulsively thinking about him. I feel guilty because I am not doing the things I should, must.. I have to concentrate on my work.. but can't.. come on.. beat me up... I need wise words to shake me up.. stupid me.. can't accept the fact that he does not love me enough. I am cheating myself.. believing we are meant to be together.. in our composite chart we have sun conjunct neptune, mercury conjucnt neptune, venus conjunct neptune.... how can I stop this.. I need to stop this..
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Aubyanne
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posted March 04, 2015 11:14 PM
I really and truly think you're a love addict. Further, that he is, too, and the two of you have created this toxic involvement that can be everything but a stable relationship. Have you considered addiction counselling? IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted March 05, 2015 11:06 AM
You know I'm looking at your Synastry and you guys share some nice (karmic) aspects
His Pluto trines your Moon
Venus-Saturn DW Yet, reading everything that's been going on all I can think of is how toxic this connection is. I mean it's one thing if you enjoyed eachother's presence, but there's just a lot of verbal abuse and mind games (Mercury square Pluto).
With that Moon-Pluto aspect I don't know how your going to get out of this one. I actually share the same aspect with the guy I've loved for many years.
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sis
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posted March 06, 2015 04:01 PM
yeap, the relationship is toxic and I am a love addict. But I don't think that counselling will help. My friends are great counsellors and look where I am… the worst thing is mind games happen organically… It seems like we're just in it. I believe he pulls me into playing mind games and he thinks I am the one responsible for it. We're paranoid about each other. I am Plutonic and he is sun, venus, mars in scorpio… His moon is in my 8th house, my moon trines his pluto… Feelings run deep but I still don't know what am I to him... I feel like the upcoming Uranus square Pluto coupled up with Mars and Uranus might bring something to the relationship..' The degree matches my Venus and Saturn…. Let's see what happens.. thank you
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sis
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posted March 06, 2015 06:35 PM
moonfish@ are you in touch with the guy ? IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted March 06, 2015 09:58 PM
I think you need actual therapy or counselling, sis -- not just the well-meaning advice or listening ear of friends. It's not the same. Addiction counselling is a very specific form of therapy.Incidentally, MERCURY square PLUTO does not guarantee mind games or emotional / verbal abuse. At all. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted March 07, 2015 01:02 AM
@sis
We currently do not keep in touch. Long story short, we work under the same company. There was instant attraction between us. He started showing interest in me first, but I was the one who asked him out. Everything seemed great, but it turns out he changed his mind right away. You see my parents also work for the same company, and he's known them for years...the idea of dating a friend's daughter made him Uncomfortable. We still like eachother a lot, me admittedly more than him but now I try to avoid him for the sake not getting my heart broken more than it already has been.@aubyanne
I do not think Mercury-pluto guarantees verbal abuse either. Just from everything that I read about there connection, communication seems to be the biggest issue. Seeing that the majority of there aspects are fairly nice, I can only assume from my research and past experiences that the agruments they have can be from that particular aspect. http://astromatrix.org/Horoscopes/Synastry-Aspects/Mercury-Square-Pluto IP: Logged |
sis
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posted March 12, 2015 09:47 PM
sorry about late reply.. somehow my computer does not show inserted messages. Soi here I am at a friends house using her computer…About counselling, I've never heard a favourable result from counselling… Neither mom, nor my friends were healed through professionals. Maybe the ones in my country suck.. I don't know maybe I should try… or accept the fantasy loving mind of mine… Moonfish, I guess when pluto is involved the chemistry never dies and keep mystifying us.. For the moment I am enjoying a roller coaster of emotions and waiting… if he will contact this week or not. If not, I will get on to my my magic carpet and ride back to reality. And accept the fact that ı will always be connected to him but what he is able to give is not enough to make me happy. And the emotions looked at the mercury driven words. and laughed ) IP: Logged | |
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