posted September 14, 2014 07:25 AM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
It is a super important detail, you are right! What you are saying makes a lot of sense.

Eros its ultimately more about creation. I remember learning in class that Eros creates and Thanatos destroys. Freud was a big fan of this theory so you pointing out that Eros is more like Chaos fits. Amor is agape love and unconditional love so I think is a better fit than Eros for Psyche. However Amor perhaps could also be the result of Psyche and whoever is the true counterpart of psyche.

The question now is what is the true female counterpart of Eros? Do you have your own theories on this?

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Oh I very much think Eros is rightly paired with Psyche. He has just that bit of extrameaning still.

posted September 14, 2014 07:29 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I've absolutely looked at it that way, too, Ceri. Even a step further. We never know exactly how things are if you've gone to and returned from the Underworld. I've often wondered if Eurydices and Orpheus are in the process of reincarnating in some fashion. Their returning to the surface almost more of the guarantee they'll be doing so together. But the failure to 'trust she's behind him and just keep moving forward' splits them apart forever -- at least for awhile. He returns topside, she stays in the Underworld.

So I wonder if EURYDIKE and ORPHEUS might not be useful in terms of karmic markers, too. Especially when taken with the Fates or even Norns.

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yes I`ve seen it this way, too, this resurfacing from the underworld as a metaphor for reincarnation. Either from one life to the next, or even within a life.

posted September 14, 2014 08:00 AM              

I think I remember that Cyllarus and Hylonome are always moving almost in step, swaying back and forth in opposing signs, maybe bordering quinkunx. In this regard they are an approximate axis (not precise thoug) as Lilith and Priapus are, which I find very interesting.

So in my chart

CYLLARUS 2 Capricorn
conjunct VESTA and the whole Knightly-English-stellium

Sabian
A Human Soul, In Its Eagerness For New Experiences, Seeks Embodiment

HYLONOME is on 8 Cancer in 7th house
opposing my ISIS on 8 Cap exact, and obviously also opposing my OSIRIS (7), Venus (6), GUINEVERE and SPIRIT (10)

Sabian
A Small Naked Girl Bends Over A Pond Trying To Catch A Fish

HYLONOME is also contraparallel VALENTINE and EURYDIKE

HYLO 18.55 N
VAL 18.08 S
EURY 18.31 S

CYLLARUS is out of bounds.

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for Mr Sag

CYLLARUS on 23 Capricorn in 11th house
conjunct Venus

Sabian
A Woman Entering A Convent

Venus: A Nature Sprit Dancing In The Iridescent Mist Of A Waterfall

HYLONOME on 26 Cancer in 5th house
conjunct Juno on 27 Cancer

Sabian Hylo
A Violent Storm in A Canyon Filled With Expensive Homes

Juno
An Indian Girl Introduces Her White Lover To Her Assembled Tribe

Cyllarus out of bounds

synastry

my Cyllarus and Vesta making a GT with his Vesta and NN

Cyllarus - his Vesta: 0°35
Cyllarus - his NN: 1°02

also Cyllarus squares his Karma: 0°53

my HYLO opposes his ORPHEUS 0°38
my HYLO trine his EROS 0°01

his CYLLARUS opposite my DESTINN 0°10
his CYLLARUS oposite my EROS 2°28
his CYLLARUS conjunct my AVX 2°00

his HYLO trine my VALENTINE 0°47
his HYLO conjunct my ORCUS 1°29
(interestingly that means his Juno also conjuncts my Orcus, and funny enough his Orcus conjuncts my Priapus, which in turn is conjunct his Juno. lol)

hidden aspects
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my antiscion CYLLARUS is on 27.36 Sagittarius,
conjunct

his Sun 0.39
his Moon 1°02
his MC 0°26
his EURYDIKE 0°38

it is out of bound, parallel his out of bound Cyllarus - maybe he is always out of bound?
orb is 0°37

my antiscion HYLONOME is 21°41 Gemini

opposite his Neptune 1°14

cp his Moon 0°01
cp his Uranus 0°34

his antiscion CYLLARUS is on 6°32 Sag

conjunct my Mars 1°22
conjunct my ASC 0°29

his antiscion HYLONOME is on 3°15 Gemini

opposite my Amor 1°07

posted September 14, 2014 08:01 AM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Interesting that in those supposed twinflame pairings, there always seemed to be a connection between Hylonome and Cyllarus, either in synastry or composite.

I'm curious now if it pops in your guys' charts too, especially Ceri and Aubeyanne's charts.

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posted September 14, 2014 08:14 AM              

Tristan/Isolda (quincunx and biquintile)
Thisbe/Pyramus (sextile and semisquare)

and my Thisbe/Pyramus exact conjunction in the 7th, Leo

posted September 14, 2014 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Oh I very much think Eros is rightly paired with Psyche. He has just that bit of extrameaning still.

Plus I donīt like how Amor and Cupido are so poorly treated. They ARE after all manfiestations of Psyche`s soulmate, too.

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Got you; you feel cupido and amor dont get enough attention. I am guilty of that.

Not only like you said is amor and cupido manifestations of psyche's soulmate but if looked at more multidimensionally cupido is that part of Eros that brings Eros and Psyche together and Amor is the result of that coming together so I can see why all are important to look into in composite and synastry.

I just checked my composite amor with my ex and it has A LOT of trines; it actually forms a grand trine in our composite:

Composite Amor trines Sappho on one side and valentine/pluto/mars/sun/saturn on the other. Composite Amor also inconjuncts our venus and sextiles Neptune. The only hard aspect composite amor makes in our chart is to chiron by 2 orbs; amor square chiron. That is 9 tight aspects involving amor in our composite.

The love for him is easy; it flows easily and is specially expressed in bed. I feel that is when my unconditional love for him comes out the most and reaches its peak, my heart just opens so easily with him.

posted September 14, 2014 09:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Composite will often have the opposition though some times on the wide side as Hylonome and Cyllarus are always roughly in opposing signs in a chart.

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Yes; our composite has a 5 degree opposition.

But look at the Davison:

Hylonome 1 Tau 38.16
Cyllarus 1 Sco 39.41

Should I say ?

posted September 15, 2014 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Composite will often have the opposition though some times on the wide side as Hylonome and Cyllarus are always roughly in opposing signs in a chart.

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I am noticing that yes...Have you noticed too that Hypolonome tends to be in close proximity to Nessus at least widely but in my case very tightly?

What do you think of that?

posted September 15, 2014 07:11 PM            

His Eurydike quincunx my Orpheus (1)
His Orpheus semisextile my Eurydike (0)

His Thisbe conjunct my Pyramus (0)

His Hylonome opposite my Cyllarus (1)

With Tristan and Isolde, it looks like we escape because there is only a very wide opposition. But looking closer, I see lots of 0 degree aspects, and things like:

My Tristan trine his Moon (2)
His Isolde semisextile my Moon (1)

His Tristan conjunct my Venus (0)
My Isolde triseptile his Venus (1)

My Tristan sextile his Chiron (0)
His Tristan square my Chiron (2)

(the list goes on...)

posted September 15, 2014 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Interesting that in those supposed twinflame pairings, there always seemed to be a connection between Hylonome and Cyllarus, either in synastry or composite.

I'm curious now if it pops in your guys' charts too, especially Ceri and Aubeyanne's charts.

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Ya mean like, a 1š opposition in the composite? A 2š opposition in his natal, and a near-opposition (4š) in my natal?

posted September 16, 2014 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Do I win the star-crossed lovers sweepstakes?

His Eurydike quincunx my Orpheus (1)
His Orpheus semisextile my Eurydike (0)

His Thisbe conjunct my Pyramus (0)

His Hylonome opposite my Cyllarus (1)

With Tristan and Isolde, it looks like we escape because there is only a very wide opposition. But looking closer, I see lots of 0 degree aspects, and things like:

My Tristan trine his Moon (2)
His Isolde semisextile my Moon (1)

His Tristan conjunct my Venus (0)
My Isolde triseptile his Venus (1)

My Tristan sextile his Chiron (0)
His Tristan square my Chiron (2)

(the list goes on...)

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LOL I am not sure this is a contest you want to win; I don't wish this fate on anyone.

My ex and I have the following:

Synastry:
I have Eurydike at 25 Lib 06'53"
He has Orpheus at 26 Lib 57'50"

Eurydike CONJUNCT Orpheus by 1 51 03

His Hylonome conjuncts my Eros exact
My Hylonome conjuncts his Northnode by 2 orbs
My Cyllarus conjuncts his Southnode by 2 orbs
His Cyllarus trines my Sun by 2 orbs
His Tristan trines my Moon by one orb
His Isolda conjuncts exact my aphrodite at 0 deg Cancer
His apollo conjuncts my moon by one orb
My apollo conjuncts his AC exact

In Comp:
Eurydike/Juno squares Orpheus/Sun
Hylonome opposes Cyllarus
Pyramus conjuncts Sun exact/Mars by 1 orb/pluto by 1 orb/valentine by less than 3 orbs
Thisbe conjuncts Venus by one orb

**Chiron Apex Yod in the 7th about 2 orbs from Algol inconjunct on one leg Valentine/mars/pluto/Sun/apophis in the 12th and neptune/BML in the other.

Natals:
His Eurydike opposes Orpheus by one orb exactly.
My Hylonome opposes Cyllarus exact
I have a grand trine bt Tristan/Hylonome/Isolda

***I have a chiron apex yod inconjunct saturn/orpheus on one leg and asteroid cupid in the other. His draco Juno conjuncts exact that Chiron apex and his Draco Moon conjuncts exact orpheus and by one orb saturn.***

Comp to Natals:
My Orpheus conjuncts C-Orpheus and our AC.
C-AC conjuncts exact his Draco Moon
My Eurydike squares C-Eurydike
His Orpheus squares exact C-Eurydike
His Eurydike opposes C-Orpheus
His Eurydike squares C-Eurydike
C-Thisbe/Isolda/Venus all oppose my natal moon
C-Pyramus/sun/mars/pluto all sextile his natal mars and his natal mars conjuncts exact my neptune and sun-moon midpoint.

Other interesting aspects:

I didnt know we have this until now BUT in COMP we have:

Thisbe 23 28
Venus 22 46
Isolda 20 14

This stellium opposes our moon and squares our neptune and our apollo forming a grandcross.
(composite moon conjuncts his moon and mine by more tightly his moon, composite neptune conjuncts his mars, composite apollo conjuncts my northnode and his MC, the venus stellium opposes my moon).

Eurydike squares exact Sun/Pyramus

Cyllarus conjuncts exact our IC and sesquisquares apollo and Isolda forming a Thor's Hammer or square Yod.

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I will edit this response and add tomorrow Draco to Natal synastry and comp....

What I find positive about this is realizing we are star crossed indeed and its not my fault or his fault.

posted September 16, 2014 01:48 PM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
LOL I am not sure this is a contest you want to win; I don't wish this fate on anyone.

My ex and I have the following:

Synastry:
I have Eurydike at 25 Lib 06'53"
He has Orpheus at 26 Lib 57'50"

Eurydike [b]CONJUNCT Orpheus by 1 51 03

His Hylonome conjuncts my Eros exact
My Hylonome conjuncts his Northnode by 2 orbs
My Cyllarus conjuncts his Southnode by 2 orbs
His Cyllarus trines my Sun by 2 orbs
His Tristan trines my Moon by one orb
His Isolda conjuncts exact my aphrodite at 0 deg Cancer
His apollo conjuncts my moon by one orb
My apollo conjuncts his AC exact

In Comp:
Eurydike/Juno squares Orpheus/Sun
Hylonome opposes Cyllarus
Pyramus conjuncts Sun exact/Mars by 1 orb/pluto by 1 orb/valentine by less than 3 orbs
Thisbe conjuncts Venus by one orb

**Chiron Apex Yod in the 7th about 2 orbs from Algol inconjunct on one leg Valentine/mars/pluto/Sun/apophis in the 12th and neptune/BML in the other.

Natals:
His Eurydike opposes Orpheus by one orb exactly.
My Hylonome opposes Cyllarus exact
I have a grand trine bt Tristan/Hylonome/Isolda

***I have a chiron apex yod inconjunct saturn/orpheus on one leg and asteroid cupid in the other. His draco Juno conjuncts exact that Chiron apex and his Draco Moon conjuncts exact orpheus and by one orb saturn.***

Comp to Natals:
My Orpheus conjuncts C-Orpheus and our AC.
C-AC conjuncts exact his Draco Moon
My Eurydike squares C-Eurydike
His Orpheus squares exact C-Eurydike
His Eurydike opposes C-Orpheus
His Eurydike squares C-Eurydike
C-Thisbe/Isolda/Venus all oppose my natal moon
C-Pyramus/sun/mars/pluto all sextile his natal mars and his natal mars conjuncts exact my neptune and sun-moon midpoint.

Other interesting aspects:

I didnt know we have this until now BUT in COMP we have:

Thisbe 23 28
Venus 22 46
Isolda 20 14

This stellium opposes our moon and squares our neptune and our apollo forming a grandcross.
(composite moon conjuncts his moon and mine by more tightly his moon, composite neptune conjuncts his mars, composite apollo conjuncts my northnode and his MC, the venus stellium opposes my moon).

Eurydike squares exact Sun/Pyramus

Cyllarus conjuncts exact our IC and sesquisquares apollo and Isolda forming a Thor's Hammer or square Yod.

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I will edit this response and add tomorrow Draco to Natal synastry and comp....

What I find positive about this is realizing we are star crossed indeed and its not my fault or his fault.

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I am sorry to hear that So it was indeed a star-crossed story? Were you separated by external circumstance?

posted September 16, 2014 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I am sorry to hear that So it was indeed a star-crossed story? Were you separated by external circumstance?

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Its a very LONG and complex story but yes is star-crossed definitely with elements of circumstances getting in the way and our own immaturity and STUPIDITY destroying a wonderful future together.

For example my mother never wanted us to be together right from the beginning and that definitely had a significant impact on our relationship and how it developed.

Or the latest; him wanting to get back and showing regret for not marrying me a few months before I am about to get married.

Romeo and Juliet had families who did not want them to be together and still saw each other but also their own STUPIDITY played a HUGE role as well in their star-crossed story; One of them thinks the other is dead when in reality the other is sleeping thanks to a potion that makes them appear dead and thinking the other is dead ends up killing themselves.

posted September 24, 2014 10:15 PM            

Hypatia asked me to repost the composite here. I added in a lot of the asteroids mentioned in this topic.

I won't reiterate the story, as that is found in my original topic about what is delaying our seemingly (and much in feeling, too) fated relationship. We met while I was stilled married to, but long separated from, my ex. Before we ever made it official, I told him I had to be legally divorced. That's out of the way, but the universe has proven itself a thwarting force.

Topic here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001017.html

posted September 25, 2014 12:15 AM            

IZANAMI (10227) - Japanese goddess, Izanami
IZANAKI (10209) - Japanese god, Izanagi

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If checking Draconic synastry, you can also try looking at the relation between the fixed stars VEGA and ALTAIR, who also have a very sad tale, but do get to reunite once a year.

posted September 25, 2014 08:54 AM              

IZANAMI on 11 Pisces on my chartruler Jupiter on 11 PIsces (conj. HIS Eros and opposing his Mars-Jupiter-Amor).

IZANAKI on 19 Aquarius conjunct my ATROPOS exact, conjunct Moon by 2 degrees, opposite Cupido exact

For him

IZANAMI on 10 Aquarius

IZANAKI on 6 Virgo, on his natal Amor and widely cnoj. Jupiter and Mars (11 Virgo)

composite has

IZANAKI On 27 Scorpio in 10th squaring IZANAMI on 25 Aquarius in 1st

IZANAMI is conjunct our c-PSYCHE and c-AVX exact as well.

so they are falling right into that grand cross we have in fixed signs, including LUST_VALENTINE on 23 Scorpio, JUNO on 23 Taurus, BML on 28 Taurus, PSYCHE-AVX on 25 Aquarius, Vertex on 25 Leo,

posted September 25, 2014 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Another star-crossed pair is IZANAMI-IZANAKI. Their story strongly parallels ORPHEUS-EURYDIKE and PLUTO-PERSEPHONE. Those who strongly identify with Asian culture, especially Japanese, should take a look at this pairing.

IZANAMI (10227) - Japanese goddess, Izanami
IZANAKI (10209) - Japanese god, Izanagi

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If checking Draconic synastry, you can also try looking at the relation between the fixed stars VEGA and ALTAIR, who also have a very sad tale, but do get to reunite once a year.

In my own star-crossed tale, I have my drVEGA exactly conj KD's drALTAIR. On the 12H cusp, no less. That was a gut-kicker.

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Thanks for the additions!

My Izanami conjuncts exact my pluto
My Izanaki conjuncts exact my Mars and by one orb my venus.

NO way! I reallly didnt expect more aspects between us..

His Izanaki in libra at 29 1' 41"
My Izanami in Libra at 28 5' 12"

In composite they trine by less than 3 orbs.

posted September 25, 2014 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
astra pointed out that my composite with my long distance partner has a YOD with apex Chiron (0') in H5 comprised of Pluto*Neptune.

Hypatia asked me to repost the composite here. I added in a lot of the asteroids mentioned in this topic.

I won't reiterate the story, as that is found in my original topic about what is delaying our seemingly (and much in feeling, too) fated relationship. We met while I was stilled married to, but long separated from, my ex. Before we ever made it official, I told him I had to be legally divorced. That's out of the way, but the universe has proven itself a thwarting force.

Topic here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001017.html

I did add a lot more asteroids (Tristan, Isolda, et cetera) but they seem to have been omitted for space?

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You do have a very tight square bt eurydike and orpheus in your comp with him!