posted September 17, 2014 02:52 PM            

It's a Fire-Air Kite, suggesting idealism, intellectualism, social ease,creating connections, learning together, a sociable, popular couple.

Now looking at Davison, I see the following translation:
The first problem we see is the Sun, we need to ground it somehow for the thing to even take place. Let's say it does get
grounded, in this case Sun in Gem on 6th cusp (unless the two met at work) suggests a couple moving in pretty quickly,.

They meet each other and pretty much become inseperable (both 8th house and Gem suggest that). The Moon, the "rudder" of the nodal axis (moving from SN to NN BTW, which suggests its lessons involve acquiring new skills, moving out of the comfort zone) becomes a marital, warm and at home Moon, also increasing the popularity. Unfortunately, she too is peregrine.Karma on ASC and Juno on MC shows this relationship, if it happens, it can be nothing less than a
partnerhsip - the nature of the partnership is shown by Pluto, in Libra 8th, with Mercury Saturn Neptune: love, stability,
poetry, transformation (looking at what they rule) A popular couple is also suggested by Juno on MC.

because Mars opp Uranus (intercepted ruler) with Chiron, my guess is, if this relationship happens, it will be out of the
blue, in a surprising, unexpected manner and it's gonna evolve in a speedy manner (Uranus in the 9th, traditionally, a
second marriage is possible with this one). A long journey is also suggested as triggering the interception or anything
related to the 9th house. I'd say these people met in a fresh joyous atmosphere, perhaps through an intermediary (Sun in
Aries 3rd), and because SN is right on 3rd cusp, the meeting is connected to what's happening in it, Cupido/Chiron,
Venus/Mars in Taurus (translated from synastry) and the connection with the 5th house we discussed about - so
perhaps an artisic envrionment, as you said. 5th ruler Mercury also opposes Neptune exact.
So these people become a couple rather quickly (once Sun and Moon grounded). Their Mars/Venus connection in the
comopsite in combo with the Moon become now a combo of Taurus/3rd (3rd/IC ruler conjunct): they will have a close and pleasant circle of friends/family, not too big, they will become much more sociable, they will like to receive guests, but also to visit, they will behave like a team/pair/lovebirds in public, they will be the center of attention when together but in a
pleasant harmonious and inviting way. Their chemistry will most likely be perceived by the others. The whole 5th/11th axis with all those players involved suggests more than one child for sure. They will love art or be artists themselves, with that same axis. I like the movement of Venus, NN ruler in both charts, coming out of the 12th in the 3rd, still under the Earth sign, but this time, sharing with an intimate group and social involvment, lots of pleasant communication between the two and their dear ones is suggested. The Libra Mars also becomes more sensual as time goes by, now being in Taurus and because Mars is conjunct Libra NN (in the composite), the Mars/Venus conjunction in Taurus becomes emblematic for this couple's potential future (Mars is the nodal guiding star in the comp, now conjunct NN ruler) There is much to be said, but the Davison chart does not suggest major turning point events, it is as smooth as the composite, and if the rather significant challenges of Sun and Moon were to be overcome, it would be a pretty nice, stable, loving, artistic, friendly, fun, travel etc relationship defined by the houses 3rd 5th and 9th and the Cradle.

posted September 17, 2014 04:48 PM            

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in this case Sun in Gem on 6th cusp (unless the two met at work) suggests a couple moving in pretty quickly

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Hmm, I think I have an idea for a thread

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I was just asking myself the same thing and did a few checks. While in my own composite and Davison with my man, the angles in both charts are nearly identical, in the comp and Davison with my ex hubby they are totally different. I found several other examples for both similar and widely dissimilar angles. So the reason cannot really be a mathematical relationship between Davison and composite, it must be some sort of random effect…

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posted September 18, 2014 12:15 PM            

Well, it is the birthchart of somebody, too, and in a natal chart Noel Tyl sais: "Peregrine planets tend to run away with the chart". I suppose I have to meditate on this.

I am not yet sure about Davison as a whole and tend to give the composite preference, but I keep an eye on both.

Interestingly, unaspected as these planets in Davison are, they are tied strongly to the natals.

Davison Sun being conjunct his IC exact and opposing his Sun-Moon-conjunction and actually being on his far Sun/Moon-mp exact. squaring his Veretx-Saturn, too.Oh and opposing my Sun-Mercury-conjunction

Davison Moon being conjunct my Vertex and on my far Sun/Moon-mp exact. (opposing his Venus widely at 5 degrees) also widely conjunct my Saturn.

it is weird to see how these luminaries are triggering two of the most intense synastric aspect-figures between us.

Davison (and composite) Sun activating the Sun/Moon/MC-Sun/Mercury-conjunction
Moon activating the Vertex-Pluto/Venus-configuration.

Interstingly Davison Moon is involved in a Golden Yod between Moon, Mars and Neptune.

Mars biquintile Neptune 0.59
Neptune quintile Moon 0.23
Mars quintile Moon 0.36

So the quintile pattern transfers from composite to davision, just in the Davison the Golden Yod was to Venus.

Sun is in a 8th harmonic pattern with Venus and Saturn, semisquare to both.
and quindecile ASC and Neptune, which are semisextile.

That doesn`t make them any less peregrine, but seems an interesting occurrence still.

posted September 18, 2014 01:31 PM            

Hahahaha great quote.I haven't seen many composite peregrines, but they can't be all doom and gloom, I remember there was a recent story here on lindaland with a couple that took a long time to get together, another possible meaning. After all, you do have 2 peregrines in your own natal, if I remember correctly, and one of them is the Moon, right? I think this may matter two: I was looking at my chart with the ex, at the peregrine Uranus and I realized I am the peregrine Uranus, I was the one causing the final breakout and I think my Uranus was either under or overstimulated, I'm not sure yet. Maybe there is a relation between natal peregrines and composite peregrines. How often it happens to have 2, like yourself? What about him, does he have any?

In any case, I like your contacts with the Davison Moon and Sun, they look fated and I specifically like the Golden Yod, it looks psychic lol a psychic connection. Maybe this relationship does not have many chances to be grounded in the material plane in this life or it will take some time (because of both Sun and Moon being peregrine), although the IC contact is a place of incarnation, they say this is the point we incarnate, so to speak, together with the SN, but it least the Golden Yod shows a mental, psychic connection will always be there, like an undercurrent: Moon/Mars/Neptune - a fantasy searching for a place/time to become reality

Anyway, the relationship will be beautiful and constant if it happens, IMO.

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posted September 21, 2014 06:25 AM            

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there is a possibility for an unplanned pregnancy and more than one baby; the man would be a good father and be a buddy to your children, level with their level etc etc

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Well, thanks for trying

posted September 21, 2014 06:08 PM            

(BTW, I don't recommend pills)

posted September 22, 2014 01:20 PM            

and I'm sorry to hear about your friends and it is indeed admirable they haven't lost their zest for life and their connection despite the circumstances
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posted September 22, 2014 03:03 PM            

BTW, I think the potent Mars/Saturn conjunction in the 7th and Cancer trine MC/Merc may have been one of the reasons for them sticking together "fore better and worse"

posted September 22, 2014 11:07 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Yes, yes, exactly...I'm glad someone understands me! lol Davison, being a space/time comp, it has a personality in the world, it has manifestation in the visible/social/outer plan.

For example, my Composite Sun is in the 7th. My Davison Sun is in the 12th. This suggests that, although the two people may be committed to each other and be a couple, this may very well evolve as a very private or secret relationship, at least partially. I'm not sure yet if Davison is the actual outcome, but I'm positive it has to have an outward personality, generate and project events.

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posted September 22, 2014 11:48 PM              

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Originally posted by Vajra:

BTW, while checking my database I found a really weird example of a Davison chart (uncorrected), which you see below. The couple in question has been married for 45 years. To an outsider, it seems that their relationship is mainly based on excellent communication, mutual respect and trust, and they have stuck together during a very harsh time (caused by outside circumstances) which would in many other cases have lead to a break-up. There are of course occasional fights and conflicts of personality as in any close relationship, but nothing major.

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Thats very interesting about the angles.
Our are flipped.

Composite has ASC on Leo 26'38 and MC on Taurus 19'52
Davison has ASC on Aqua 24'44 and MC on Scorpio 20'06

posted September 26, 2014 02:09 AM            

Last night I was dreaming about something astrology related, and someone (it is always a male voice, I never even feel tempted to ask who it is. Always the same voice, must be some sort of dream-guide).

Anyway that voice apparently likes to talk to me about astrology now and then, though he will usually just give some sparse remarks.

Last night we were discussing something about the most elevated planet, but he was reminding me very INSISTENTLY to not look simply at the planet conjunct MC (elevated in longitudes), but that it really is the highest planet in declination that counts. And he reminded me that the solar festivals were really determined through the declinations, not longitudes.
He was patient, but a little concerned, that I ALWAYS forget the declinations,a nd thus only see a fractal of the picture.

Anyway my most elevated planet in declinations is actually Mercury. followed by Venus which is out of bounds as well, and they are parallel, and parallels Sun.

However, somehow this insipired me to check the Davison for declinational aspects, too, especially the Sun and Moon.

Turns out our Davison has

Sun parallel Jupiter 1°04
Sun parallel DESC 0°41
Jupiter parallel DESC 0°23

Moon parallel Saturn 0°47
Moon parallel IC 0°37
Saturn parallel IC 0°10

The symbolical symmetry is not lost on me. I also find it interesting that Sun is in Gemini and Moon in Cancer.

If I add some asteroids there are some more declinational aspects with Moon

Moon parallel AMOR 0°18
Moon parallel VALENTINE 0°52
AMOR parallel VALENTINE 0°36
Saturn parallel AMOR 0°29
Saturn parallel VALENTINE 0°05
AMOR parallel IC 0°29
VALENTINE parallel IC 0°15

posted September 26, 2014 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Ceri,

Your Davison Osiris-Isis-Vertex conjunct in the 7th is just

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Lavender,

yes when I first saw it, I showed the same reaction. It also is opposing our synastric PSYCHE-PSYCHE conjunction on 24 and 25 Aquarius.
And it is quite close to our BML opposition from 28 Leo to 28 Aquarius.

The Davison also has an opposition of EVA on 6.00 Virgo to ADAM on 3.56 Pisces, which makes a Kite out of our Grand trine of PALLAS on 3 Virgo (conj. EVA) - EROS on 3 Cap - Chiron on 4 Taurus with CUPIDO on 1 Taurus.

PSYCHE is too far off to be aligned with it on 10 Virgo. Too bad. lol

the helio Davison has:

a wider conjunction of ISIS and OSIRIS (3°56)

a square of PSYCHE and EROS (2°11) with PSYCHE square EARTH (0°01) and EROS conjunct EARTH (2°12)
PALLAS conjunct PSYCHE (0°04)
(and of course squaring EARTH-EROS

the funny thing is that the helio Davison PALLAS-PSYCHE falls right onto his DESc-Saturn-Vertex, and the EROS-EARTH falls onto his Sun-Moon-MC. lol

and additionally RUDRA on 4 Virgo opposing KAALI on 6 Pisces (2°34)

the helio composite has RUDRA on 7 virgo conjunct KAALI on 8 Virgo (1°08)

posted September 26, 2014 07:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL

Last night I was dreaming about something astrology related, and someone (it is always a male voice, I never even feel tempted to ask who it is. Always the same voice, must be some sort of dream-guide).

Anyway that voice apparently likes to talk to me about astrology now and then, though he will usually just give some sparse remarks.

Last night we were discussing something about the most elevated planet, but he was reminding me very INSISTENTLY to not look simply at the planet conjunct MC (elevated in longitudes), but that it really is the highest planet in declination that counts. And he reminded me that the solar festivals were really determined through the declinations, not longitudes.
He was patient, but a little concerned, that I ALWAYS forget the declinations,a nd thus only see a fractal of the picture.

Anyway my most elevated planet in declinations is actually Mercury. followed by Venus which is out of bounds as well, and they are parallel, and parallels Sun.

However, somehow this insipired me to check the Davison for declinational aspects, too, especially the Sun and Moon.

Turns out our Davison has

Sun parallel Jupiter 1°04
Sun parallel DESC 0°41
Jupiter parallel DESC 0°23

Moon parallel Saturn 0°47
Moon parallel IC 0°37
Saturn parallel IC 0°10

The symbolical symmetry is not lost on me. I also find it interesting that Sun is in Gemini and Moon in Cancer.

If I add some asteroids there are some more declinational aspects with Moon

Moon parallel AMOR 0°18
Moon parallel VALENTINE 0°52
AMOR parallel VALENTINE 0°36
Saturn parallel AMOR 0°29
Saturn parallel VALENTINE 0°05
AMOR parallel IC 0°29
VALENTINE parallel IC 0°15

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Hahaha I love this astro guardian angel of yours, Ceri, he guides us all

Your Davison declinations are a dream. The theme is obvious: Sun/Jupiter/DSC on one side, Moon/Saturn/IC on the other. Very symbolic. I wonder if this could ground the luminaries, I'm still not sure how declinations work, how their energy is felt.

That would be my Mars 0.30 Libra, no wonder hahahaha.

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posted September 26, 2014 10:13 AM            

Sun 2°44'15" N
Pluto 2°21'13" N
Mercury 3°40'18" S
Amor 3°51'9" S
Sun quincunx Pluto 0
Mercury conjunct Amor 4

Venus 8°19'16" N
Jupiter 9°17'18" S
Juno 8°34'57" S
Pholus 8°9'15" S
DSC 7°4'17" N
Venus semisquare Jupiter 0
Jupiter sextile Pholus 3
Venus conjunct DSC 5

Moon 11°43'7" S
SN 11°29'8" N
Moon conjunct SN >1

Vertex 15°12'52" N
Priapus 15°56'39" S
Priapus opposite Vertex >1

Saturn 19°56'52" S
Psyche 20°40'48" N

Neptune 22°13'58" S
IC 21°33'2" S

Mars 23°28'30" S
Uranus 23°17'56" S
Neptune 22°13'58" S
Mars conjunct Uranus 7
Mars conjunct Neptune 6

Composite

Venus 8°46'40" N
Jupiter 9°18'16" N
DSC 7°48'2" N
Venus conjunct DSC 3

Moon 13°30'42" S
Pluto 13°25'36" S
SN 11°33'53" S
Vertex 11°42'29" N
Amor 12°11'0" S
Moon conjunct Pluto 0
Vertex conjunct SN 0
Moon-Pluto conjunct SN-Vertex 6

Uranus 22°57'18" S
Neptune 23°22'54" S
Vesta 22°52'53" N
Chiron 23°13'52" N
Psyche 23°24'50" N
Priapus 22°56'1" N
Union 22°47'13" S
Alma 23°17'41" S
Uranus opposite Priapus 0

Mars 20°35'24" N
Saturn 20°6'49" S
IC 21°11'19" S
Juno 19°4'40" S
Mars opposite Saturn 2
IC sextile Saturn 5
Saturn conjunct Juno 4

posted September 26, 2014 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Davison

Sun 2°44'15" N
Pluto 2°21'13" N
Mercury 3°40'18" S
Amor 3°51'9" S
Sun quincunx Pluto 0
Mercury conjunct Amor 4

Venus 8°19'16" N
Jupiter 9°17'18" S
Juno 8°34'57" S
Pholus 8°9'15" S
DSC 7°4'17" N
Venus semisquare Jupiter 0
Jupiter sextile Pholus 3
Venus conjunct DSC 5

Moon 11°43'7" S
SN 11°29'8" N
Moon conjunct SN >1

Vertex 15°12'52" N
Priapus 15°56'39" S
Priapus opposite Vertex >1

Saturn 19°56'52" S
Psyche 20°40'48" N

Neptune 22°13'58" S
IC 21°33'2" S

Mars 23°28'30" S
Uranus 23°17'56" S
Neptune 22°13'58" S
Mars conjunct Uranus 7
Mars conjunct Neptune 6

Composite

Venus 8°46'40" N
Jupiter 9°18'16" N
DSC 7°48'2" N
Venus conjunct DSC 3

Moon 13°30'42" S
Pluto 13°25'36" S
SN 11°33'53" S
Vertex 11°42'29" N
Amor 12°11'0" S
Moon conjunct Pluto 0
Vertex conjunct SN 0
Moon-Pluto conjunct SN-Vertex 6

Uranus 22°57'18" S
Neptune 23°22'54" S
Vesta 22°52'53" N
Chiron 23°13'52" N
Psyche 23°24'50" N
Priapus 22°56'1" N
Union 22°47'13" S
Alma 23°17'41" S
Uranus opposite Priapus 0

Mars 20°35'24" N
Saturn 20°6'49" S
IC 21°11'19" S
Juno 19°4'40" S
Mars opposite Saturn 2
IC sextile Saturn 5
Saturn conjunct Juno 4

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the conclusion?
He's your TF

posted September 26, 2014 01:15 PM            

Sun 23 N
Mercury 23 N
Saturn 23 N
Vertex 22 N
Amor 23 N
NN 23 S
POF 23 S
Neptune 22 S

Moon 0 S
Alma 0 S
Pluto 2 S

Venus 18 S
Mars 19 N
ASC 18.43 S
Lilith 19 S
Psyche 20 S
Cupido 20 N
Pallas 21 S

Juno 12 S
Vesta 11 S
Karma 13 N