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LeeLoo2014
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posted September 27, 2014 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow...no wonder your name is Libran Dream
What we can do with the 9th:
-read a possible profile (like a Juno profile) from the chart
- compare it with the other's natal (in terms of sympolism and superpositions - mostly for fate)
- compare it with the other 9th - maybe a 9th composite is interesting too, it would be purely metaphorical though
- and, certainly, just study the structure of your natal novile-type aspects...very interesting one, independently for the theme of the thread
I'll take a look at your profile

Thank you, Enneline, nice analysis! He's open about sex...hm you don't like quincunxes, I know ....the quincunx comes from the dispositor of Venus and Mars maybe it's a fated config: his natal Venus 8 Aqua, his natal Amor 9 Taurus (but I'm not sure comparing one's natal with one's 9th is a good idea, maybe symbolically only )

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posted September 27, 2014 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Thank you, Enneline, nice analysis! He's open about sex...hm you don't like quincunxes, I know ....the quincunx comes from the dispositor of Venus and Mars maybe it's a fated config: his natal Venus 8 Aqua, his natal Amor 9 Taurus (but I'm not sure comparing one's natal with one's 9th is a good idea, maybe symbolically only )


Yes, I need to be more open-minded about quincunxes
Did he grow up in a very religious household or did his parents ever talk about sex with him?
Hmm...why not? I mean the natals shows what a man prefers and the 9h provides deeper information

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posted September 27, 2014 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
he did grow up in a traditional (rural) environment (no religion though, thank god lol), but he's open about this...seeing that the quincunx is actually a triangle, and a pretty tight one, with Mercury (the semisextile) do you think it could also mean being interested in learning about sex/relationships, or in a woman who can teach him things or they could learn together, a good combo of mind/learning (Merc in Gem) and caring/emotions plus learning (Jupiter in Cancer)??

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posted September 27, 2014 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or maybe someone who is open minded and ready to learn, but still traditional at the core (Jupiter in Cancer)?

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posted September 27, 2014 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you in every point but - and I don't mean that in a nasty way - maybe he also like dirty talk? You don't need to answer.
Or he likes to talk about sex?

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posted September 27, 2014 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
I agree with you in every point but - and I don't mean that in a nasty way - maybe he also like dirty talk? You don't need to answer.
Or he likes to talk about sex?


He has no choice

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posted September 27, 2014 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

He has no choice

okay, then that's the lesson he has to learn

Don't quincunxes indicate lessons?

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posted September 27, 2014 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone wants feel bored or finds me likeable, he/she may have a look at my 9h

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posted September 27, 2014 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enneline, you have a very harmonious chart, you're a steady and gentle partner yourself and require one in return lol not there isn't some fire in there with Venus trine Pluto and Sun/Mars and a higher degree of moodiness and dreaminess and fantasy with Moon/ASC, Moon Neptune and Mars Neptune.


Your Kite also suggests a happy marriage in this life or meeting a great partner at some point
I see a masculine man, very aqua (either fixed, or Uranian, or original, or social/humanitarian, or the crazy scientist genre, or intelligent and spiritual - whatever aqua means for you) with a very balanced Saturn and Mars and very intelligent and flamboyant (merc Jupiter in leo). In fact, he does look like Mr Perfect hear and apparently you'll meet a Mr Perfect in this life. Someone with an important social/cultural/financial position. There is a suggestion that meeting this man will be intermediated by either a woman, or a Virgo person.
The guy must have something unusual/ a lot of fantasy for you to like him for a longer time. You don't like mysoginist or macho guys at all, so he must have love and acceptance for women. A foreigner is possible with the MT pointing to Moon/ASC.

nice chart!

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posted September 28, 2014 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
wow...no wonder your name is Libran Dream
What we can do with the 9th:
-read a possible profile (like a Juno profile) from the chart
- compare it with the other's natal (in terms of sympolism and superpositions - mostly for fate)
- compare it with the other 9th - maybe a 9th composite is interesting too, it would be purely metaphorical though
- and, certainly, just study the structure of your natal novile-type aspects...very interesting one, independently for the theme of the thread
I'll take a look at your profile


Thanks! I read a few articles and, from what I understand, the 9th Harmonic is supposed to indicate the native's purpose in life, so we interpret it as a partner chart insofar as they will help us achieve that. Is that kind of how you view it as well?

I like your Juno profile metaphor. That makes me want to see a Juno profile chart, in fact. Hm, would you put Juno on 0ARI, or on the AC? Or even on the Sun? Or on the NN? I wonder which technique would be most accurate.

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posted September 28, 2014 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:

Thanks! I read a few articles and, from what I understand, the 9th Harmonic is supposed to indicate the native's purpose in life, so we interpret it as a partner chart insofar as they will help us achieve that. Is that kind of how you view it as well?

I like your Juno profile metaphor. That makes me want to see a Juno profile chart, in fact. Hm, would you put Juno on 0ARI, or on the AC? Or even on the Sun? Or on the NN? I wonder which technique would be most accurate.



I suppose the 9th can reflect several things, depending on the point of view we use. In this thread, I was looking for the connection with Navamsa (vedic ideal partner chart).

I think there are at least two dimensions of every astrological chart:
-one is psychological (suggesting a profile)
- the other is predictive (reading the charts as a predictor of events)
They often intermingle, of course.


I think the Juno chart would traditionally start at 0 Aries (actually, that's a great idea of a thread), but I think that's a very interesting idea also to suggest certain alignments, especially between two people: such as aligning someone's Juno to your NN, I wonder what happens.


Another great way to explore your Juno chart is the Persona chart, Persona synastry with one's natal and the other's natal, Juno/Juno Persona composite.

We did this here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000002.html

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posted September 28, 2014 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

especially between two people: such as aligning someone's Juno to your NN, I wonder what happens.


Do you mean something like this?

" if a transiting Node can direct a birth chart, then why not the Nodal axis in another person’s chart? After all, we are - as we have seen in the article on Q-charts - each other’s transits!

What would such a rearrangement of the natal chart actually mean? Why would we do this? There would surely be some kind of spiritual or karmic implication; or a connection with commitment, conscience, principles. In moving the Lunar Nodes from their natal place to a sign and degree in someone else’s chart, surely we would be radically shifting the sense of spiritual direction and altering the deepest priorities.

Because this would also work both ways in the synastry of a couple, for want of a more imaginative term I have called these new patterns the Exchange Draconic; but we can shorten this to X-charts."
http://revpamcrane.weebly.com/draconic-exchange-x-charts.html

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posted September 28, 2014 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Do you mean something like this?

" if a transiting Node can direct a birth chart, then why not the Nodal axis in another person’s chart? After all, we are - as we have seen in the article on Q-charts - each other’s transits!

What would such a rearrangement of the natal chart actually mean? Why would we do this? There would surely be some kind of spiritual or karmic implication; or a connection with commitment, conscience, principles. In moving the Lunar Nodes from their natal place to a sign and degree in someone else’s chart, surely we would be radically shifting the sense of spiritual direction and altering the deepest priorities.

Because this would also work both ways in the synastry of a couple, for want of a more imaginative term I have called these new patterns the Exchange Draconic; but we can shorten this to X-charts."
http://revpamcrane.weebly.com/draconic-exchange-x-charts.html


Wonderful, Ceri Thank you for always knowing more

What would you suggest for this technique applied to lovers?

I suppose aligning one's node to the other's would be interesting.

Then Juno/NN sounds like a great suggestion.

What else do you suggest? Venus? chart ruler?

DSC ruler also sounds like a good idea, maybe.

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posted September 28, 2014 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the great ideas!
I personally think you can see something from aligning every single thing in one chart to every single thing in another, the permutations are practically as finite as the universe itself.

Another fun thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet I think is aligning mythical pairs. Or even, start with the basic Venus-Mars, align those two, see what you get.

Juno-NN and Juno-DC might be an interesting direction.

I like X-charts as the name for those, thank you Ceridwen!

What do you conclude from my chart, LeeLoo? And how do you suggest we approach the 9th Harmonic interpretation?

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posted September 28, 2014 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
actually I think we mean two different things, though similiar

She proposed to put the other`s NN into YOUR chart and then make a Draconic.

So I would use Mr Sag?s 01 Virgo NN instead of my own, apply it to all other planets and see where the conjunctions/oppostions appear. or something lke that.


In fact doing this one thing that resutls is

my x Mars opposing my Venus (so somehow through his path or whatever he activates some sort of Mars-Venus in me. Yeah, sounds about right. lol).


his x Mars conjuncts his Moon

I found this interesting, as Venus and Moon are our respective 5th house rulers.

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posted September 28, 2014 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, ok, so you're saying you can only call something an X-chart if one is Draconic?
Shame, I sort of liked the name. It would be so easy to call something, ie. a Juno-Jupiter X-chart and people know exactly what you mean.

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posted September 28, 2014 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I think the author called the draconic exchange chart X-chart.

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posted September 28, 2014 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Thanks for the great ideas!
I personally think you can see something from aligning every single thing in one chart to every single thing in another, the permutations are practically as finite as the universe itself.

Another fun thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet I think is aligning mythical pairs. Or even, start with the basic Venus-Mars, align those two, see what you get.

Juno-NN and Juno-DC might be an interesting direction.

I like X-charts as the name for those, thank you Ceridwen!

What do you conclude from my chart, LeeLoo? And how do you suggest we approach the 9th Harmonic interpretation?



I will soon get to it, LD
Aligning mythical pairs sounds very interesting.

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posted September 28, 2014 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[B] I know, right? And no Leo clone for me, unless he looks like his mid-20s version.

Even in his mid-20s, he didn't tempt me at all. Sorry Enneline ^^.


Hey Leeloo, look at your chart I think THE man has to be layered like a perfectly good cake. There should be parts that are sweet, sour, rich, bitter, buttery, all blend in perfect harmony that makes you want to spend a long time to figure out the ingredients. I'm just in my mood for cake .
I can't read the chart as well as Enneline, I just have a question though, can Sun oppose Jupiter in Cancer mean he want his girl to spoil him?


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posted September 28, 2014 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[B] I know, right? And no Leo clone for me, unless he looks like his mid-20s version.

Even in his mid-20s, he didn't tempt me at all. Sorry Enneline ^^.


Hey Leeloo, look at your chart I think THE man has to be layered like a perfectly good cake. There should be parts that are sweet, sour, rich, bitter, buttery, all blend in perfect harmony that makes you want to spend a long time to figure out the ingredients. I'm just in my mood for cake .
I can't read the chart as well as Enneline, I just have a question though, can Sun oppose Jupiter in Cancer mean he want his girl to spoil him?




Awww I'm gonna keep the quote with the cake and show it to him. sweet Tulipe!

Let's wait for Enneline, but I think you nailed it with the pampering


Now, you have to add your chart here, to take a look at your prince.


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posted September 28, 2014 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Awww I'm gonna keep the quote with the cake and show it to him. sweet Tulipe!

Let's wait for Enneline, but I think you nailed it with the pampering


Now, you have to add your chart here, to take a look at your prince.


Hehehe I'm glad you like my rambling . I'm working on my chart right now, and...here's my frog:

EDIT: I added love asteroids


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posted September 29, 2014 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Awww I'm gonna keep the quote with the cake and show it to him. sweet Tulipe!

Let's wait for Enneline, but I think you nailed it with the pampering


Now, you have to add your chart here, to take a look at your prince.



Yes, Tulipe had the better idea! Its pampering.
Could Jupiter in cancer opposing the sun also mean that his home environment did not match whis his real personality?

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posted September 29, 2014 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enneline, in a way, it fits

LD, in your chart I see a mixed MR pointing to Mercury in Virgo: intelligence and Mercurial flexibility is a must for you.

Sun/Cupido/Union in Taurus, multiple aspects, the strongest being to Jupiter/ASC in Aqua and Pluto in Cancer, and Moon in Cancer: I see a man who expresses his love for you in a very expansive, obvious manner. Open minded and free-thinker, interested in politics, the world, humanitarian issues perhaps?? Even choleric as a personality, strong opinions, you don't mind that. Coupled with Mars square Uranus: dynamic and active in the world, not a couch potato.Even sportish and outdoorish. He will have something important in Gem. It's also possible that he has something on Leo/Aqua axis.

Venus trine Saturn, Moon and Pluto in Cancer - stable and comforting emotionality, yet surprising intellectually (Juno/Uranus in Virgo)

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posted September 29, 2014 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Tulipe: the grand cross is remarkable. Do you like guys who talk a lot?

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posted September 29, 2014 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lovelybird,

your 9th rocks!!

You are ready to meet your soulmate in this life!

And he is...Uranian!!!! :drums:

Sun/Moon/Venus/Merc all love Uranus in your chart
Not bad...maybe he's a foreigner or a genius or a gorgeous alien or at least an otherworldly beauty.

As mutable as they come, in an harmonious way: intelligent, relational, flexible, loves and embraces change in a harmonious way.

With strong sense of humor and dashing in expressing his feelings.

He will have something Virgo (good choice, girl! )

His Saturn will be in the right places - the perfect Saturn he will have - you are committed to meeting this man and he will be committed to you.

Moon/Neptune mdp features strongly in this chart: my guess he will be a total softie under his warrior armor.

the 29 is impressive in your chart: time for some harvest, baby!

The Yods are a dream, they are both about him and how you meet him, IMO. Do you want to know? let's keep it a surprise. I'm giving you clues: foreigner, Taurus, Cap, babySag

It's a very nice chart, we should study it more from time to time

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