posted September 19, 2014 01:22 PM            

A major concept in Vedic (Navamsa chart).

I was thinking about checking two things:

1. if the 9th harmonic chart suggests a certain ideal type (partner) and if it's reflected in your choices of a partner (and in famous relationships)

2. what is the proper method to check if someone is our 9th harmonic type? comparison between one's 9th, the other's natal? comparison between the two 9th harmonics? Other method?

A few considerations on the 9th harmonic:

-the focus is on aspects
- noviles, binoviles etc become conjunctions
18th harmonic becomes opp
- the orb is up to 9 - 1 deg novile/binovile in the natal becomes a 9 deg. conjunction in the 9th harmonic chart
- you may include love asteroids for a more complete love profile

posted September 19, 2014 01:50 PM            

You know who has water Venus and Mercury in the 8th - Scorpio Venus and Mercury here. His Gemini Sun - Gemini Sun and Moon. His Scorpio moon - Moon opposite Pluto. His Virgo MC - Mercury conjunct MC. Scorpio Adonis and Venus - Scorpio ASC. Lol, my Nodes are actually on his IC-MC axis. Wait, comparing harmonic charts to natals is useless, I forgot

posted September 19, 2014 01:51 PM            

conjunction: 12° (relating to a 9th harmonic aspect in th basic chart of about 1,3 degrees)

opposition: 6°

trine: 4°

square: 3°

quinkunx: 1°

A Vedic astrologer would also compare the Navamsa to the Rasi (radix). However of course for Vedic astrologer there is a very unique set of rules.

Anyway, treating the 9th harmonic as a symbolic chart, rather than just highlighting the 9th harmonic aspects alone, we could compare it to the radix-chart, yes.

However of course in this comparision the orb should NOT be 12 degrees for conjunctions.
(unless someone always uses that orb for synastry, which I do not recommend, but you know that).

posted September 19, 2014 02:32 PM            

I suppose most striking feature of this chart is the very precise JUNO-Saturn-conjunction which is additionally right on the DESC.

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that triple conjunction of JUNO-Saturn-DESC has its reason in the basal radix chart of:

Juno trine Saturn 0°00
JUNO binovile DESC 0°08
Saturn novile DESC 0°09

Even though it looks like a too far conjunction in the 9th harmonic chart the Sun close to JUNO-DESC-Saturn is maybe even more compelling, despite the wider orb.

Why?

Cause it relates to this in the basic chart:

Sun quadranovile Saturn 1°01
Sun quadranovile DESC 1°10
Saturn novile DESC 0°09

Of course it would be better if the orbs were under one degree, but still the reason that is still very worthy to note is the midpoint picture that results from this 9th harmonic triangle.

Sun opposite Saturn/DESC 1°05
(so Sun on the far midpoint of Saturn/DESC)

Might not look very exciting, but rather stable.

This JUNO-Saturn-DESC-link falls onto an important point in my natal chart as well, as I have AMOR on 2 Sagittarius (so we are talking about an exact conjunction here), and I think it might still trigger the Mars on 5 Sagittarius, all in my 12th house.

Another feature I like in that chart is the trine of EROS To PSYCHE, and its midpoint is at 7°36 Pisces, exactly conjunct VALENTINE

In terms of my natal chart. EROS falls onto my ISIS-OSIRIS_conjunction exact and conjuncts my Venus and SPIRIT-GUINEVERE with 2 degrees to each side.

PSYCHE falls onto my Part of Marriage, asteroid ACTOR and my EROS/PSYCHE-conjunction (and LUCIFER. lol)
All within 1,5 degrees at most.

VALENTINE falls onto my PHOLUS-CERES-ISHTAR

Also interestingly there seems to be a bit of a link between Moon-Venus-KARMA.

Well my Moon and Venus are novile in my chart with an orb of 0°59

But how does KARMA fit in here (interestingly it sits in my 7th house natally, which already seems to vibe with Venus, especially with her ruling 5th house - seems to emphasize a relationship-Karma)

Well it is trine Moon 1°05
and quadranovile Venus 0°06

It is a 9th harmonic triangle but not a symmetrical one, so no midpoint picture results.

Karma/Moon would need a point on 16 Aries (lol my Draco Sun) or Libra.

Moon/Venus would need a point on 26 Cap or Cancer.

Karma/Venus would need a point on 26 Pisces or Virgo (which gives me goosebumps, Mr Sag targets two of these, just missing the Aries one, though our composite more than hits THAT one with Venus on 16 Cap and Pluto on 15 Libra).

posted September 19, 2014 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Thanks. What do you think about person A harmonic SN conjunct person B harmonic ASC by 2? And person A harmonic ASC conjunct person B harmonic NN by 4?

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that seems like a strong relation. NN conjunct DESC And ASC, those people probably have something to do with each other. maybe Karma of completion or completeness. I would like to see some energizing planets on this as well (cause the angles on themselves are actualy like magnifier, but they need something to magnify for it to really take roots).

posted September 19, 2014 02:37 PM            

You see where his Sun is, right?

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his natal

posted September 19, 2014 02:44 PM            

When it comes to me, there's Mars involved in the case 1 and Sun, Pluto and Juno in the case 2.

posted September 19, 2014 02:53 PM            

Lee, I see some matching between your charts too

posted September 19, 2014 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Seeing as the Navamsa is 'Spouse, Dharma, and Destiny', I consider it a little bit more than for matchmaking.

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Could you elaborate, please?
Yep, your destined spouse Matchmaking is an important part of Vedic, BTW.

posted September 19, 2014 05:00 PM            

For the first part of my little research here, would it be proper to look at the 9th harmonic and see a profile, like a natal chart profile suggesting the need for a certain partner?

Actually, this is the first question:
in terms of this "ideal partner" concept, does the 9th show you, how you are as a partner (from it deducing how the "other" should be, as an Yin/Yang pair)) or does it actually show "the other"?
Because if they compare it to the natal, then this suggests the 9th harmonic is a direct map of the "other"

What do you think?

posted September 19, 2014 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

Lee, I see some matching between your charts too

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Please tell me what you've discovered!

posted September 19, 2014 05:27 PM            

Mine
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His venus on my Asc
My venus on his MC
My karma on his juno
His karma on my alma
His sun on my juno
His moon on my NN
My moon on his vertex
My part of fortune on his Asc
My saturn on his uranus

I know there are more but these jumped out at me!

posted September 19, 2014 05:28 PM            

I did it with your synastry I saved once so there won't be the other way round.

posted September 19, 2014 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Could you elaborate, please?
Yep, your destined spouse Matchmaking is an important part of Vedic, BTW.

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I've been delving deeply into Eastern astrology for the past few years -- even slowly finding my own technique which marries it with Western calculation.

If I recall, the H9 is going to be featuring noviles; I may be wrong. While these can certainly be touted as important in spousal synastry, the more I've studied Vedic, (the more, thankfully, came back to my from when I studied with a master in my teens) the more I've become reminded of how much they're focussed upon a multiversal approach -- which I absolutely love.

The H9 has been called 'the soul' of the native, with the H1 (natal) being 'the body'. In Vedic, it's most related to the product, whereas our natal is the origin -- or even engine.

Here's why that is and isn't so good in regards to synastry.

A LOT of the H9 influences won't even begin to appear until after the First Saturn Return; they'll be most active by the Second, too. The astrologer who's really ahead of the game might consider the H9 when evaluating the affianced, as it's assumed these influences will be presenting themselves over the course of marriage.

But if, say, two twentysomethings have an incredible H9 synastry, they might be better advised to attempt a relationship later in life -- UNLESS they ALSO have a fantastic tropical synastry and composite.

H9 is enhancement. It may even denote longevity -- but the energy is just sitting there until utilised, and it isn't throughout our youth.

posted September 19, 2014 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Because if they compare it to the natal, then this suggests the 9th harmonic is a direct map of the "other".

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And that's where I disagree entirely. Only where there's a very strong and confirmed soul connexion, and both individuals are fairly evolved.