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VenusDiSirius
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posted April 10, 2012 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 13, 2012 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blargh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm currently experiencing a synastric "double-whammy" of Mars and Neptune: her Sag Neptune is tightly opposite my Gemini Mars (< 1°) while my Sag Neptune is closely square her Virgo Mars (< 2°). We also have tense Mars/Neptune aspects natally but with wide orbs, so I suspect that our reason for meeting is to bring those natal tensions into focus, allowing them to be worked on.

There has been a very long, slow build-up of energy between us over the past couple of years since we met -- due in large part to the fact that we seem to have little else in common other than shyness, on the surface, anyway... But the attraction is unmistakable and difficult to ignore. From the start, she had a deliciously subtle way of seeking me out to talk to, to be near, and against my "better judgement" (having been hurt too many times and wanting to avoid relationships altogether), it wasn't long before I was drawn into her. One manifestation of our odd attraction is that when our eyes meet, we very often grin -- seductively, secretively -- and it was months before I even realized that was happening; I'm not normally so unconscious!

There is a clandestine factor as well, but we've not crossed any real lines and likely never will... My Gemini Mars also makes a Grand Cross of her close (< 4° orb) natal T-Square of Virgo Saturn, Pisces Moon and Sag Neptune, so I doubt that the fantasies would survive reality for long.

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posted July 14, 2012 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had that with the 1st guy I was em0ti0nally involved with. My neptune square his mars and there was n0thing sexual in the relati0nship. It feels weird to imagine myself with the virgo in bed. It would destroy the sanctity of what we had. Lolz. I kn0w it sounds crazy but that's how I feel. We were c0ntent l0oking at each other. We had Venus/Mars, Mars/Sun and Mars/M0on, yet we never touched each other.

I had the square with a scorpio partner and there was n0 sexual fantasizing or attracti0n going on. Turn off in fact.

I had the sextile with an0ther and ah! Sexual fantasy. But then I'm n0t sure if the sexual attracti0n actually stemmed fr0m the mars/nept c0nnecti0n. We had mars/sun/pluto c0njuncti0n and mars/m0on sext. So...

Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, represents love in it's purest form, free fr0m animal lust.

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Well here's my tale of Mars-Neptune synastry.

I've had a man in my life for 25 years, a dear friend since we were 15. He has Mars/Nep conjunct my Nep to the degree in Sidereal Scorpio (we were born 9 months apart). Throughout high school we felt a deep soul connection but beyond a few kisses.... nada. I moved to another country and fantasized about him for years and apparently wrote him many letters (mercury is strong in the synastry chart on both sides).

When I divorced at 26 he asked me to visit. the chemistry was amazing but the physical just didn't work, he was so love-y dove-y (neptune) and while I like a man to be a man (bring on the mars).

Finally 5 years ago I emailed him saying that I had been in love with him for over 10 years and he said yes it was the same for him. We didn't get together at the time of my divorce because the third week we were together his ex girlfriend showed up pregnant.

So.... there it is, Neptune keeping things foggy and on the platonic for sure. But the conjunct in Scorpio has kept us deeply connected and there for each other in hard times, along with several mutual Saturn aspects. To this day I feel a longing for him while knowing it would never work. Thanks Neptune.

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posted January 01, 2014 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars-Neptune conj can bring fantasies but also cause you to overidealize your partner's Mars. That's when the fun is over.

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posted January 01, 2014 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HPDBlue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alma Sun:
Not sure if anyone's seen this, just in case: http://d.scribd.com/docs/1btqcdqf2mg7kjkq938i.pdf

It's a PDF file, you'd have to DL it to see, but I'll post the info on Mars/Neptune to make it easier.

[b]Synastry Neptune and Mars

Because Mars and Neptune are antithetical in nature, it might initially
seem that strong cross-aspects between them are invariably problematic.
Some descriptions of this pairing are downright sinister, implying that the
Neptune person leads the Mars person into corrupt ways. But despite its
bad press, this combination, creatively handled, may eventually prove
more fulfilling for both people than, for example, Moon-Neptune, whose
regressive pull may be claustrophobic in a sexual or parent-child relationship,
or Venus-Neptune, whose extreme romanticism may not tolerate
aging or ordinary human foibles. The tension and antipathy between
Mars and Neptune can sometimes become destructive, leading to cruelty
and victimization within a relationship. Equally, it may generate enormous
excitement, energy and creative enthusiasm:;-provided there is some
consciousness of the dynamic involved.
Neptune perceives in Mars' strength and vigor the redeemer as hero
or heroine-tough, potent, decisive, and capable of making things happen
in the world. Even if Mars is placed in a gentle or non-aggressive sign, such
as Cancer, Libra, or Pisces, and even if the Mars person feels anything but
heroic, the Neptune person will still idealize Mars' courageous spirit albeit
expressed in a sensitive and tactful fashion. Neptune looks to Mars
as a kind of champion: the one who will fight one's battles, protect one's
vulnerability, take on the world, and perhaps "take" oneself as well. The
sexual attraction between Neptune and Mars may be very potent, but the
fantasies are rather different from those between Neptune and Venus.

Neptune longs to be dominated by the superior strength of Mars, although
such feelings are often deeply embarrassing to acknowledge on a conscious
level because of the vulnerability involved. A man whose Neptune is in
close conjunction with a woman's Mars, and who is used to seeing himself
as the sexual initiator, may find it disturbing and threatening to discover
that he longs for a reversal of roles, and sometimes feels-and enjoys feeling-
dependent and helpless beside her.
Mars, in turn, tends to flourish in the role of champion and protector,
and the Mars person may feel stronger, more potent and more fulfilled
because there is a worthy cause to fight for. Mars will happily play the
knight, and Neptune the damsel in distress; regardless of gender, this is
the archetypal dynamic behind the aspect. Mars is St. George, or Perseus,
or Jeanne d'Arc, full of clumsy but sincere compassion, ready to strike
down the dragon and rescue the prince or princess from danger, imprisonment
or the world's lack of understanding. Neptune can invoke a greater
sense of power in Mars; Mars can invoke an awareness of fragility and other-worldliness
in Neptune. So far, all is well; Neptune inspires Mars to
greater vision, and Mars provides Neptune with a shield against misfortune.
But because we so often find Neptune frightening and dangerous to
the ego's need for control, the Neptune person may refuse to acknowledge
his or her dependency, or may experience deep unconscious envy of Mars'
toughness and sexual power. Secret fear, envy, and dependency may provoke
Neptune to undermine Mars' initiative and self-confidence, in highly
manipulative ways which frustrate the Mars person and fan anger and
even violence. Mars cannot fight underwater and, when baited, prefers the
efficacy of a simple punch or shouting match. Equally often, Neptune may
become addicted to being led; and Mars may eventually become weary of
always having to wear suits of armor while Neptune relaxes in yet another
warm bath.
The sexual charisma of Mars, as perceived by Neptune, may seem
untrustworthy and dangerous, because the protector might, at any point,
go off and protect or conquer someone else. In an effort to bind the Mars
person, Neptune may try to obtain protection through failure, illness or
victimization, or may unconsciously undermine Mars' potency through
subtle forms of rejection and evasiveness which keep Mars feeling uncertain
and confused. Neptune can thwart Mars' need for clear-cut action,
asking Mars to make the decisions, and then sabotaging the results. Or
Neptune may resort to sexual coyness and deceit, baffling Mars' cruder but
more honest approach to sexual matters. Neptune is adept at producing a
classic "Not tonight, but maybe tomorrow" script; Mars is refused, but
never directly, and the eager knight is kept hoping and waiting, 'increasingly furious
and frustrated, while Neptune plays virginal, tantalizing, or a peculiar combination of the two.
Ongoing frustration may draw cruelty and violence from Mars, as bear-baiting will draw savagery from the bear.

Behind this sad enactment is the Neptune person's deep fear of losing his
or her champion, whose strength and sexual magnetism are so idealized,
and without whom one might fall into the abyss. The less the Neptune
individual is able to honestly express his or her own capacity for aggression
and creative potency, the darker the undercurrents are likely to be.
The highly charged exchange of these two planets in cross-aspect can
generate not only enormous sexual pleasure and fulfillment, but also
inspired creative vision in both individuals. Neptune's imagination can be
directed and earthed by Mars, in lovemaking and in creative projects; and
if this contact occurs between two people who work together, it can be a
wonderfully productive and rewarding combination. It is perhaps most
difficult between parent and child, particularly if the child is Neptune and
the parent Mars; for the Oedipal dynamic may be colored by darker
themes. The faintly sadomasochistic edge of Mars-Neptune may be harmless
and even highly pleasurable between adults, but can be extremely
destructive enacted within the family fabric. Neptune possesses the gift of
subtle frustration, which can invoke violence in a violent Mars. Feelings of
guilt and shame may exacerbate the confusion. Yet it is not inherently
pathological to idealize one's parent or one's child--erotically or otherwise.
Pathology enters when there is unconsciousness and a blind acting out of
emotions. Mars-Neptune in synastry may reflect covert sexual manipulation,
subtle cruelty, and the loss of respect for one's own and the other person's
boundaries. Yet Mars-Neptune contacts between charts are not "dangerous"
or "bad." To offer its best, Mars-Neptune requires a greater degree
of self-awareness than many other synastry aspects. But the rewards are
worth the effort.


[/B]


...Wow. Yep that explains it all lol
We have a Square and a Trine .

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posted January 02, 2014 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have mars square neptune natally so I reaaaaaaaaaaally enjoy it in synastry.

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posted January 03, 2014 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thnx to Alma and every one here who give this info.
I search for a the interpretation of this too . Now I found someone has his Neptune-Mercury conjunct my mars-uranus , and his Neptune-mercury are also square my venus .

I'm in a cloud right now , I don't know should I run or not?

And all of his Mars/Jupiter /Uranus /SN conjunct my Sun

His saturn and NN land in my 7th .

I don't know what's wrong on earth bringing us to this meeting .

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posted September 27, 2014 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a great thread & it finally made me realize why the last 3 guys I was "friends" with frustrated me so much. In all 3 cases I was the mars in a tight square to neptune. And also in all 3 it started with extreme sexual attraction and fantasizing. We'd have the most amazing sex ONE time (well one of them we had sex more than once but the first time sucked) then when it came time to talk about being together again all they seemed satisfied in doing was fantasizing about it but no action. Lots of empty promises of maybe tomorrow or sometime next week. I of course got frustrated because I need action not the empty promises. Of course there could be other factors too as there was also moon/neptune & venus/neptune squares. For all I know they were just putting me on the back burner, well whatever I'm over neptune & it's fogginess. I guess in order to avoid this I must date someone much older than me, as I will run into this crap with every man close to my age.

While I don't think it's the exact reason that was described in the book as the reason why they restricted me I do feel like (well for one specifically) they felt a loss of control when they were with me. Not control in the sense that IM controlling but them losing control & getting lost in the passion or the fantasy. I've only come to this conclusion due to something all 3 said while being intimate with me. Without going into too much detail, they were worried about the performance ending prematurely lol. I guess for a man to be worried about losing control like that they'd rather just talk about it then potentially lose face again. I mean I guess I could take that as a "compliment" but in the end it hurt because I had feelings for these men & although it was subtle it was still rejection.

*sigh* I am so over neptunian relationships. They've never been good for me. I need something concrete & REAL!

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posted September 27, 2014 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had Mars trine Neptune with my first boyfriend. He kept me a secret and actually treated me like a jerk, but at the time it didn't sink in (Neptune), I also felt NOTHING for him but went on with the relationship anyway because it was fun (Neptune.) and we had a lot of non-verbal communication in bed even though we didn't know each other very long. (Mars / Neptune.)

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posted September 27, 2014 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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posted September 27, 2014 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I had Mars trine Neptune with my first boyfriend. He kept me a secret and actually treated me like a jerk, but at the time it didn't sink in (Neptune), I also felt NOTHING for him but went on with the relationship anyway because it was fun (Neptune.) and we had a lot of non-verbal communication in bed even though we didn't know each other very long. (Mars / Neptune.)

Wow, this actually sounds familiar (not really being into it but going along anyway)..which one were you Neptune or Mars?

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posted September 27, 2014 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. That astrologer seems so pretentious and completely off the mark. My apologies, but I didn't grok -- or agree -- with that at all. NEPTUNE is not secretly longing to submit or even remotely powerless. I almost feel like this individual is projecting unrealised sexual fantasies into their astrology. Wow. Bad.

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posted September 27, 2014 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by babybull82:
Wow, this actually sounds familiar (not really being into it but going along anyway)..which one were you Neptune or Mars?


Forgive me, babybull, but I honestly think that's probably the worst write-up in astrological delineation I've seen in a long time. It reminds me of Freud during the period in which he renounced all that he said because he was just severely sexually frustrated. That individual has no concept of NEPTUNE. I also don't think that the above poster's experience had anything to do with NEPTUNE trine MARS. It sounds like a classically abusive scenario because of immaturity and youth.

MARS and NEPTUNE in trine can be a wonderfully powerful, deeply spiritual, driving connexion. MARS can supply the force and ambition which NEPTUNE shapes with compassion and a greater understanding beyond the physical world.

It's hardly likely the cause of all that above.

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posted September 28, 2014 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The article resonates with my experiences. Not all of it though...

I have mars conjunct neptune nataly. I had it with my ex affair and have it with my latest affair of 5 years old. I have taken parts from the article which I find very true.

" Neptune to undermine Mars' initiative and self-confidence, in highly manipulative ways which frustrate the Mars person and fan anger... Mars cannot fight underwater and, when baited, prefers the efficacy of a simple punch or shouting match "

" Neptune may unconsciously undermine Mars' potency through subtle forms of rejection and evasiveness which keep Mars feeling uncertain
and confused. Neptune can thwart Mars' need for clear-cut action, asking Mars to make the decisions, and then sabotaging the results.

Or

Neptune may resort to sexual coyness and deceit, baffling Mars' cruder but
more honest approach to sexual matters. Neptune is adept at producing a
classic "Not tonight, but maybe tomorrow" script; Mars is refused, but
never directly, and the eager knight is kept hoping and waiting, 'increasingly furious
and frustrate..."

Just a couple of days ago, I was telling to a friend I should never have an affair with someone close to my age due to this aspect.

No matter I do, I can't pass through Neptune's deceitful ways....

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posted September 28, 2014 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The article resonates with my experiences. Not all of it though...

I have mars conjunct neptune nataly. I had it with my ex affair and have it with my latest affair of 5 years old. I have taken parts from the article which I find very true.

" Neptune to undermine Mars' initiative and self-confidence, in highly manipulative ways which frustrate the Mars person and fan anger... Mars cannot fight underwater and, when baited, prefers the efficacy of a simple punch or shouting match "

" Neptune may unconsciously undermine Mars' potency through subtle forms of rejection and evasiveness which keep Mars feeling uncertain
and confused. Neptune can thwart Mars' need for clear-cut action, asking Mars to make the decisions, and then sabotaging the results.

Or

Neptune may resort to sexual coyness and deceit, baffling Mars' cruder but
more honest approach to sexual matters. Neptune is adept at producing a
classic "Not tonight, but maybe tomorrow" script; Mars is refused, but
never directly, and the eager knight is kept hoping and waiting, 'increasingly furious
and frustrate..."

Just a couple of days ago, I was telling to a friend I should never have an affair with someone close to my age due to this aspect.

No matter I do, I can't pass through Neptune's deceitful ways....

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posted September 28, 2014 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The article resonates with my experiences. Not all of it though...

I have mars conjunct neptune nataly. I had it with my ex affair and have it with my latest affair of 5 years old. I have taken parts from the article which I find very true.

" Neptune to undermine Mars' initiative and self-confidence, in highly manipulative ways which frustrate the Mars person and fan anger... Mars cannot fight underwater and, when baited, prefers the efficacy of a simple punch or shouting match "

" Neptune may unconsciously undermine Mars' potency through subtle forms of rejection and evasiveness which keep Mars feeling uncertain
and confused. Neptune can thwart Mars' need for clear-cut action, asking Mars to make the decisions, and then sabotaging the results.

Or

Neptune may resort to sexual coyness and deceit, baffling Mars' cruder but
more honest approach to sexual matters. Neptune is adept at producing a
classic "Not tonight, but maybe tomorrow" script; Mars is refused, but
never directly, and the eager knight is kept hoping and waiting, 'increasingly furious
and frustrate..."

Just a couple of days ago, I was telling to a friend I should never have an affair with someone close to my age due to this aspect.

No matter I do, I can't pass through Neptune's deceitful ways....

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posted September 28, 2014 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow. That astrologer seems so pretentious and completely off the mark. My apologies, but I didn't grok -- or agree -- with that at all. NEPTUNE is not secretly longing to submit or even remotely powerless. I almost feel like this individual is projecting unrealised sexual fantasies into their astrology. Wow. Bad.

Yea. I don't like her style. It's always vague and way off the mark.

Eg. According to her, 1948 saw two ancient civilizations regain their independence; India & Israel. Excuse me, I understand that many Americans and Europeans have an emotional connection with Israel, but that shouldn't cloud the facts. There's no historical or archaeological proof that an ancient civilization existed in Israel.

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posted September 28, 2014 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by babybull82:
Wow, this actually sounds familiar (not really being into it but going along anyway)..which one were you Neptune or Mars?


I was Neptune, but in the end we both got hurt so I don't think it can lend one way or another. Perhaps though, now that I acknowledge being Neptune, he really didn't see me breaking up with him coming and that's why he was spiteful. (I know that sounds like a 'duh!' statement but I rarely assume people do things with me specifically in mind.)

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posted September 28, 2014 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I briefly read that article (super brief...) but of course the first thing I read totally applied to me. I was Neptune, he was Mars, in Capricorn. Capricorn rules my 8th house, and I believe I was his first. He'd wanted to take it slow and be careful but one thing lead to another. Before that he'd been a pretty God fearing, church going, mother's best friend boy...I think he felt guilty but didn't want to admit it and that played a big part.

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posted September 28, 2014 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read that this aspect produces sexless sex.

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Originally posted by Nine:
I've read that this aspect produces sexless sex.

I agree, but why though?

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posted September 28, 2014 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune. He would prefer things stay pure and beautiful, and clean.

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posted September 29, 2014 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I agree, but why though?

the two experiencesI had was highly sexual.

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