posted October 10, 2014 07:06 PM            

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I am curious to see the examples that made you consider progressed synastry only.

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posted October 10, 2014 07:17 PM            

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In my current progression, I am entering Scorpio with a full stellium Sun Mercury Venus Mars etc. Just by looking at Venus alone, I remember my Venus in the 8th house, my duad Venus at 16 Scorpio right on my natal MC 16 Scorpio and I understand this current progression actually shows: "it's time for this Venus/MC" -it's age related and it fits - a peaking time for this configuration in my natal.

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posted October 10, 2014 07:22 PM            

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But my question was: are you suggesting a relationship (a good one) is possible with a bad synastry and supposedly good progressions, whatever that means?

If so, could you please post at least one two examples for discussion? It would be much more helpful than just theorizing back and forth.

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posted October 11, 2014 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think that is the trick.

Strong synastry as background and then triggering progressions to bring it into manifestations.

Strong progressions without the strong synastry in the background (unless the progressions are perpetual), are what temporary affairs are made of, and when they fade you are often left wondering: "What the heck did i ever see in the other person?"

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Exactly! Yes! I've noticed that progressions can be astounding that way.

One of my dear friends said, 'I think this is the man I'm going to marry.' Her pSUN was conjunct his nSUN, 1º, and his pMOON was aspecting her nJUNO. Alas, no natal synastry. I told her flat out

posted October 11, 2014 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think this is a research trap. To give the example of a giant, Freud discovered the importance of sex in human behavior in an era of taboo towards sex and then all through his life tried to explain everything through sex and only a short time before his death he realized he was wrong. Perhaps it didn't help that he was fixed (this does not diminish his enormous contribution, however).

Just because we're more attracted to studying a particular field in astrology such as transits doesn't mean everything in astrology can be explained ONLY by transits and the rest is random and subjective. This is a real research trap in all fields: turning a specific limited discovery into a general rule.

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:applause: :confetti: :stands on chair and claps louder:

YES. Exactly! It took Jung to point out, 'hate to break it to ya, Siggy, but maybe you're just frustrated'; and Kinsey (bless him) was a devout believer that self-report would be the only way to study human sexuality.

posted October 11, 2014 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Exactly! Yes! I've noticed that progressions can be astounding that way.

One of my dear friends said, 'I think this is the man I'm going to marry.' Her pSUN was conjunct his nSUN, 1º, and his pMOON was aspecting her nJUNO. Alas, no natal synastry. I told her flat out

She was SO relieved. Six months later, she was doing the, 'oh, my God, WHAT did I SEE in him?'

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Exactly. That is how I have seen it play out over and over again.
The progressions might be enough and a strong incentive even to bring people together in the first place, however if there is no strong natal synastry and no other strong progressions, they are usually left with nothing once the progressions fade out.

One example would be when my friend met "the boyfriend from hell". Well, a manipulative emotionally and verbally abusive relationship, lasting a little over a year, and left her scarred for a long time.
Started out as a wildly passionate attraction and whirlwind affair, totally untypical for her, too.
The attraction was strong enough for her to cheat on her back then boyfriend and breaking out of their relationship (which had not been that great to begin with).
And cheating is a total No-Go- for her, so not only was her new boyfriend her beating up verbally and emotionally and putting her down, but she was berating herself for the way she had been acting.

I mention this just to explain that it was a very sudden uncontrollable attraction that took hold of her (and of course in a greater scheme of things was needed to break her away from a relationship, that was not working anymore anyway, but that became clear in retrospect).

The guy in question did not have any too strong natal progressions, at least no Sun-Moon-one, which seems strange, as he was the one pushing for the relationship and then when it was over, stalking her for quite a while afterwards.

he was having p Venus conjunct n Saturn exact though and trine n ASC
plus p Mars trine n Uranus,
p ASC square n NN
p Saturn conjunct p Vertex

Saturn was the ruler of his progressed DESC.

my friend was having natally:

no 4th harmonic Sun-Moon-aspect, but p Moon was sesisquare p Sun.

She was having very strong other progressions though

p Sun conjunct p Pluto exact with p Sun also being conjunct n Venus and n Mars exact.

Well he was certainly NOT the life of her life, more her nightmare.
But interestingly around that time she also started to get closer to her now husband, which started out as friendship (well he was totally in love with her even back then, but she couldn`t quite see or accept it at that time. lol)

she was also having a separating opposition of p Venus to n BML.

synastrically,
her p Venus was conjunct his p Uranus exact - the affair!
her p Venus trine his p Mars exact, with his p Mars very widely conjunct her n ASC 2.21a

So her p Venus was lining up with his Mars-Uranus-aspect in the progressions.
I find that very clearly describes at least the beginning of their story.

however his p Venus was also applying to trine her p BML and his p Moon had been opposing her p BML in the weeks and months before.

his p Moon also conjunct her p Mars - and that, the Mars-Moon-Venus-BML was the other part of the story. The taboo of having this affair as well as being overpowered by this attraction.

When they broke up a year later
their significant progressions were gone
her p Venus trine his p Mars 1°32 s
her p Venus conjunct his p Uranus 1.47 s

(I tend to notice that separating aspects can be strong, but only as long as they are under one degree separating for some reason).

The Venus-BML trine had been gone for quite a while, as BML is a considerable quick mover.

On top of that they did not have any strong romantic synastry, his natal Venus and Mars were completely unaspected by her chart.

And though there was strong sexual attraction and chemistry (told by the progressed venus-Mars-trine), the sex itself was lacking, in fact I think she told me that they never even managed to have sex, despite several attempts.

That is one side of the progression story. Here the progressions brought people together who clearly did not belong together. But progressions can momentarily overshadow this. The key word here is MOMENTARILY or TEMPORARILY.

Incompatibility will show its face sooner or later, usually when the strength of progressions fades, and you are left with just a memory of how it was and the wondering why it is not like this anymore.

Couples with strong natal synastry seem to be able to steer through these empty periods more easily than those who are simply incompatible.

Paul Westran mentioned Paul Mc Cartney and his first wife as an example where he did not find any of the conventional synastric progressions, but explained that they were having a natal Sun-ASC-conjunction which was good enough.

The other side of the coin is:
What if you have amazing natal synastry and compatibility, but no progressions?

I think that is really a shame actually. It`s like you have that wonderful shining powerful car standing on the street, ready to go, but no key to get it kickstarted.

I think progressions are necessary (maybe sometimes outer transits will help as well) to kickstart and unlock this synastry. Without them, ther emight be just to little incentive to get ACTIVE.

So personally I am convinced for a relationship to start and work out over a long time, we need:

1. fitting natal progressions
2. strong basic natal synastry
3. "kickstarter" synastric progressions.

posted October 11, 2014 07:46 AM            

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"it's time for this Venus/MC" -it's age related and it fits - a peaking time for this configuration in my natal.

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Yes, that is the other thing with progressions. they show when it`s time for a natal configuration to manifest. and usually they manifest more similiarly to the underlying natal than the progression itself. Or at least the natal modifies the expression of the progression.

I have been having pr ASC square n Pluto (with Tr Pluto still being on the ASC. lol).
Looks rather gruesome, right?

it was certainly a very transformative period for me, but all in all much much smoother than I would have expected it to be.
But in my natal Pluto sextiles my ASC, and according to Davison (GREAT book on progressions btw, even if is an older one), the progressed square manifested like the aspect appeared in the natal, and in my case it did. Maybe with a little more OOMPH than a sextile usually has, but nowwhere as challenging as other squares have been.

The second thing is it was time for me to manifest this Pluto-ASC-thing, and the natal progressions showed that.

I still think progressions that are not written int he natal have their merit and their effects, and oftentimes quite surpriseing ones (cause they are not part of our natal script, they come unexpected), but I still always make a mental note if a progression reemphasizes a natal "promise - or threat".

I definitely make a special note if a progression in synastry reemphasizes a synastric theme (natal-natal).

my pr Moon opposing his pr Sun plus my natal Sun conjunct his natal Moon?
Surely a theme (even with reversed roles) - it seems to say: it`s time - to figure out whatever it is the natal synastric aspect wants to tell me.

Works even in the progressed synastry with Jude Law.

his pr Venus conjunct my pr Sun reminds me of his natal Sun conjunct my natal Venus..
Definitely interesting to see, if natal aspects find their reflection or response in the progressions.

The colleague I have zero romantic interest in?
We have a pr Sun-Venus-conjunction as well, it just comes without the natal counterpart.

For me the feeling is: "I like you, but no, not like that."

It still has the prescribed effects, it just doesn`t reach that deep.

Another way how progressions can cut deep in a synastric sense is if they are connected to the natal by degrees. Not really reemphasizing the theme, but simply incorporating the natal chart of both people.
Of course that is what natal-progressed-synastry is about in th first places. so that probably goes without saying.

The next thing i notice is that apparently for really strong activation some triggering of the angles or Sun (maybe also Moon) seems to be necessary.
At least so far it`s always been present if a relationship took off.

posted October 11, 2014 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

1. fitting natal progressions
2. strong basic natal synastry
3. "kickstarter" synastric progressions.

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Very interesting examples, Ceri, with your friend and your own progressions. With your friend, it looks like the progressions reflect the experience, and we all know different relationships bring different experiences: some are about love or long-lasting friendships, some are about lessons or just experiences or about knowing ourselves etc.

posted October 11, 2014 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
:applause: :confetti: :stands on chair and claps louder:

YES. Exactly! It took Jung to point out, 'hate to break it to ya, Siggy, but maybe you're just frustrated'; and Kinsey (bless him) was a devout believer that self-report would be the only way to study human sexuality.

Perhaps 'devout believer' is the kicker there. So long as we don't approach it from an 'either / or / only' standpoint -- stay away from the total absolutes -- I think we're good. Our research will always have direction in which to grow. THAT's what you want.

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Thank you, Auby. I believe the same, Kinsey's research is the first real modern research on sexuality, both as method and approach, and so far, unequaled.

posted October 11, 2014 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I don't follow here. Where's natal Venus? Sun, Mercury, Venus, & Mars are all at 0 Scorpio?

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My Sun/Venus are in Virgo, and I have a Merc/Mars/Pluto stellium in Libra, all in the 8th, now entering Scorpio as a block.

It is my belief that all derivative charts such as composites or progressions cannot be understood without comparing them with the stars being on the sky at our birth: the natals. They are mathematical derivatives of those. To give another example, we have a wide Mars/Mars trine (part of a more complex configuration) in synastry which becomes a rather perpetual Mars/Mars trine in progressed synastry. Without the actual degree in the natals and the whole config, this wouldn't have happened.

While I agree there may be some universal "triggers", every chart has its needs and progressions and all derivatives reflect that, so generalizations are just a superficial layer of the whole thing and there are many exceptions to them.

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posted October 11, 2014 10:45 AM            

I have a practical question.
Where in astro.com or with what astrology program I can make a progressed synastry ?

Thanks

posted October 11, 2014 11:24 AM            

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It is my belief that all derivative charts such as composites or progressions cannot be understood without comparing them with the stars being on the sky at our birth: the natals. They are mathematical derivatives of those. To give another example, we have a wide Mars/Mars trine (part of a more complex configuration) in synastry which becomes a rather perpetual Mars/Mars trine in progressed synastry. Without the actual degree in the natals and the whole config, this wouldn't have happened.

While I agree there may be some universal "triggers", every chart has its needs and progressions and all derivatives reflect that, so generalizations are just a superficial layer of the whole thing and there are many exceptions to them.

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posted October 11, 2014 01:04 PM            

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Paul Westran mentioned Paul Mc Cartney and his first wife as an example where he did not find any of the conventional synastric progressions, but explained that they were having a natal Sun-ASC-conjunction which was good enough.

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But they do fit Nine's pSun/pMoon theory when it all started. Hers some degrees after the new Moon. His' some degrees before the new Moon. And they had some real strong progressions waiting for them some years later. Not counting a pVenus/Mars exact opposition in Helio here.

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Incompatibility will show its face sooner or later, usually when the strength of progressions fades, and you are left with just a memory of how it was and the wondering why it is not like this anymore.

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posted October 11, 2014 01:40 PM            

"But they do fit Nine's pSun/pMoon theory when it all started."
And I totally believe in the importance of the Sun-Moon-cycle, individually and synastrically. Which is something WEstran did not research (because of the uncertainty of birthtimes mostly), so it did not show up in his research, still I think it is a very important ingredient.

However should I rely ONLY on these markers he mentioned, which are VERY important - don`t get me wrong-, but if I closed my mind to everything else that might go beyond that (adding to the research), then I would have missed the vital importance of Sun-Moon. .

"Hers some degrees after the new Moon. His' some degrees before the new Moon."
Did they have a conj/ opp. in pr composite?

Well another question for me is, how many degrees, or orb can we allow for this?
Usually progressions are calculated for a year, for pr Moon that would mean about 12 degrees movement. While of course the peak would be when the p Moon is close in orb (let`s say 2 degrees), which might span 3-4 months I think, would it still matter if the p Moon was a bit further away, but applying to the 4th harmonic aspect, and sort of getting the person "into the mood"?

Just remembering the example of my brother and his gf.

When they officially got together in april 2006 (while knowing each other a few months before that), my brother had p Sun on 8 Aries and p Moon on 15 LIbra, so a fullmoon, but already separating by 7 degrees.
(peak: september 2005; 7 months prior)

She was having p Sun 18 Aries and p Moon 7 Cancer, so applying to a new moon, but with an 11 degree orb even.

peak would be 11th months later, februarly 2007.

so for my brother actually his Full Moon was in september 2005, her new moon would be in february 2007 (if we look for the peaks), which is spanning one and a half year.
Yet they DID get together, so is that a valid orb after all, at least for the 4th harmonic relationship between Sun and Moon?

Of course we can see that her p Moon was at 7 Cancer, and his p Sun was at 8 Aries, so they were in 4th harmonic synastric aspect.
Can we assume, that even if the natal cycles are that wide apart (roughly a year), if there is ALSO a synastric Sun-Moon-progression, it matters?
I mean after all with that widespread 4th harmonic natal-progressed cycle, they DID get together when their Sun-Moon-progression was very tight in orb.
Just a coincidence? Or more than that?
Of course we can not form a conclusion on one example.
But I will keep it in the back of my head, especially since my parents had the same thing going on.

My Dad having a pr New Moon - almost- with 7 degrees applying; my Mom, not quite fitting the theory, but having an exact square of p Moon to n Moon, plus an applying trine of p Moon to n Sun - 7 degrees applying. Coincidence that it was the same amount of degrees as my Dad had?

They met and quickly got together with his p Moon in an applying square to her p Sun, by 3 degrees.

"But let's not forget that it's sometimes better to have had *something* than *nothing*.
I am not arguing that; all I wanted to point out is that there are several variations to be considered.

"Receiving love once, will never leave your mind. Which is worth something."
Even that is up to the individual in question. My friend for example regrets that experiences to the present day.
She resents, or at least does not wish for passion and love at first sight and all the stuff romance novels (and my dreams ) are made of. It threatens her feelings of security, which she values much more than a flight-by-night-fancy. To her, that kind of compulsion was almost like a threat destroying her personality.
For me, I would have said the same as you: better love once, than not love at all.
But people are different in that.

"And another thing, we also can't see behind the curtains of longterm couples, how happy are they?"
You are right of course, on the other hand if we start thinking about that, we can stop doing astrology alltogether, cause we do not even know that possibly for ourselves.
What is keeping people together is not always what they believe or want to believe it does.

The best we can do is form our opinion (and it is only an opinion, not a fact at all!) from observation, experience and talking very honestly to the people involved (not possible with celebrities of course).
But that is the reason I am checking these few couples here, cause I know them very intimately (with the caveat that you don´t ever know a person COMPLETELY, which is one of the most intriguing things about people to me anyway).

Even with that in mind, of course there are always things going on under the surface, simmering in the subconsciousness maybe.

That is what WEstran also stated in his book, that he can`t measure the QUALITY of a relationship with progressed synastry (how to define this anyway?), but all he could do was measuring the TIMING, when it starts, and especially when it ends, which is sometimes even easier to see than the start.

However, still there is the question left. when does a relationship really start?
When two people get married? Share the first kiss? VERBALIZE they love each other? At meeting (even if they may not yet know they love each other)? At birth?

That is the beautiful thing with wedding dates, at least the date is known of these.
But that is of course not when a relationship starts, it is when it becomes official (a stage of officiality at least).

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Oh and of course my brother`s p Moon was opposing her p Sun, so I guess if they wer ehave a DW of square and opposition, there should have been a sesisquare or semisquare in the pr composite:

and it was: Sun on 13 ARies sesisquare Moon on 26 Leo, 2 degrees applying.

posted October 11, 2014 01:54 PM            

his p Moon almost square his p Sun: applying by 5 degrees

my p Moon separating from opposition to my p Sun: separating by 5 degrees

of course in composite we will then have p Moon sesisquare p Sun exact (actually separating by 0°25 - so I suppose it will be exact in mid-end august)

posted October 11, 2014 02:18 PM            

pr composite showed the applying New Moon.

posted October 11, 2014 02:36 PM            

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However should I rely ONLY on these markers he mentioned, which are VERY important - don`t get me wrong-, but if I closed my mind to everything else that might go beyond that (adding to the research), then I would have missed the vital importance of Sun-Moon.

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^ interesting.

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"Hers some degrees after the new Moon. His' some degrees before the new Moon."
Did they have a conj/ opp. in pr composite?

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Sorry I made a mistake ^. BOTH were some degrees AFTER the new Moon. Which gave a 7 deg separating Sun/Moon conj in the pCompo. EDIT@ I see now that you say an applying Moon? I took june 1968.

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would it still matter if the p Moon was a bit further away, but applying to the 4th harmonic aspect, and sort of getting the person "into the mood"?

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Yes, definitely I would say. Even if the aspect is out-of-sign but still approaching (or sep.) that phase I suspect. I think it's about balance in degrees.

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But I will keep it in the back of my head, especially since my parents had the same thing going on

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Had that also with ex during start, exact pSun/pMoon conj. but without any personal 4th harmonic. Lasted 17 months of which at least12 prettyyy frustrating. We met during a nVenus/pSun opp. few min. Separating.

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My Dad having a pr New Moon - almost- with 7 degrees applying; my Mom, not quite fitting the theory, but having an exact square of p Moon to n Moon, plus an applying trine of p Moon to n Sun - 7 degrees applying. Coincidence that it was the same amount of degrees as my Dad had?

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Ah yess.. could be something to that ^ … but that’s a matter of calculating ahead in time, I think.

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however, still there is the question left. when does a relationship really start?
When two people get married? Share the first kiss? VERBALIZE they love each other? At meeting (even if they may not yet know they love each other)? At birth?

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My guess is at the moment they start being *special* for each other. Special attention case. Mutuality. Thinking about each other. To name some keywords.

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If the 4th harmonic aspects in a natal or synastric cycle play a role, we have to keep an eye on the 8th harmonic aspects, semisquare and sesisquare, in composite as well, as these are the result of a conjunction and square or opposition and square.

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posted October 11, 2014 03:15 PM            

Interesting, too, using Nines 4 lunar phases model, natally we would be natural associates (his new Moon and my first quarter Moon), but in the upcoming progressions the switch is flipped (my full Moon and his first quarter Moon).
Intriguing.

"Had that also with ex during start, exact pSun/pMoon conj. but without any personal 4th harmonic."
I was wondering about that. I have the feeling - that i cannot verify as of now- that we need some underlying natal progressions for something to take roots though.

I was thinking that in a different respect, when I noticed that this summer we were having Tr Jupiter opposing our composite Moon (and my natal Sun/Moon-mp and conj. my natal Vertex).
When we first met we had the Transiting conjunction to composite MOon and my Sun/Moon-mp and Avx.

However NOW this summer I was having pr Moon conjunct Vertex, opposing composite Moon and my Sun/Moon-mp, plus sa Jupiter being squaring pr Moon and my Sun/Moon-mp exactly.

Some years ago I was not having anything of that sort, and I clearly wasn`t ready for any sort of connection to really develop. This summer things were different. Not really in terms of romance, but just the fact that a lot of acknowledgement took place, from his side, as much as could be given the circumstances (including making me almost squirm in my seat, staring me dead int he eye, while singing the lines: "That vision who was not quite real", summarizing ALL that I had been, or not had been, or that had been between us in the past, just I did not know he was aware of it as well. Well I would have been smiling about myself and my delusional thinking, and I did, up to the moments he was very specifically singling me out. lol, still it is of course still weird and vague, but the patterns changed, on both sides. I stopped being so total in avoidance mode, he stopped granting me the luxury of thinking I can stay invisible. LOL I am not. Not to him at least. For what reason ever, I am not quite sure. But it was an interesting development.).

Anyway I am disgressing, I think it made a difference - for me, in my pattern of acting, reacting, awareness, readiness- that my transits were backed up by natal progressions. I mean pr Moon on n Sun/Moon-mp was clearly a big one for me.

"We met during a nVenus/pSun opp. few min. Separating."
Enough to make you attracted and think you could make it work, but did not hold you together eventually.

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My guess is at the moment they start being *special* for each other. Special attention case. Mutuality. Thinking"
about each other. To name some keywords."
I guess so too. Just it is sometimes difficult to pinpoint that moment.

"I think so yes ^. Btw, I would def. Count that one with Mr Sag."
I thought it was interesting. And I think those cycles might be "steady", having to do with our natal charts of course, and the age-difference.

When we met I have just having a first quarter Moon in the progressions (peaking the very day we met) while he was having an applying New Moon, widely.
The balance point was 6 months after we first met, unfortunately at that time I prefered to put my head int he sand and hide away. lol

It is just now that or rather next year that we have another set of these 4th harmonic aspects in the progressed charts, and only these can result in composite 8th and 4th harmonic aspects.

Of course we have had p-natal Sun-Moon-aspects before.

However, back then when we first met our natal progressions did not interlink.
Now however, surrounding the 4th harmonic natal cycle, synastrically we are going to have

my p Moon opposing his p Sun (p: january 2015)
his p Moon squaring my p Sun (p:may 2016).

it seems that these are the brackets; the opposition happens BEFORE my natal progressed fullmoon, leading up to it (of course with the orb we use, they will happen simultaneously).
the synastric progression between his Moon and my Sun will happen AFTER his natal progression peaks.

Interesting enough, within those timeframes we also both have a natal-progressed individual Venus-Mars-progression, using 2 degree applying and separating....

his pVenus opposite n Mars: january 2015-may 2018
leading right into p Venus opposng p Mars, which will fade out of 2 degree orb in 2021

my pMars conjunct nVenus: february 2015- july 2020

posted October 11, 2014 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
My Sun/Venus are in Virgo, and I have a Merc/Mars/Pluto stellium in Libra, all in the 8th, now entering Scorpio as a block.

It is my belief that all derivative charts such as composites or progressions cannot be understood without comparing them with the stars being on the sky at our birth: the natals. They are mathematical derivatives of those. To give another example, we have a wide Mars/Mars trine (part of a more complex configuration) in synastry which becomes a rather perpetual Mars/Mars trine in progressed synastry. Without the actual degree in the natals and the whole config, this wouldn't have happened.

While I agree there may be some universal "triggers", every chart has its needs and progressions and all derivatives reflect that, so generalizations are just a superficial layer of the whole thing and there are many exceptions to them.

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Fair enough.

Though I disagree with the premise that EVERYTHING stems from the natal chart. I still believe the needs of a baby are different from those of a teenager, an adult, and a senior. People change, our needs change, and so do our outlook.

I'll concede that both charts are to be taken into account. However as to which has more weight, I think that's where we'll have to disagree.

posted October 12, 2014 06:26 AM            

We have a full synastry so I suppose we can't look at just one or two aspects: we need to look at everything between progressed natals and progressed + natal synastry: all aspects, house overlays, progressed rulers etc because the progressed natal is a full chart, especially if someone considers it tells the whole story of our current needs/evolution?

How do you evaluate a progressed synastry as being good and showing compatibility, what do we look for?

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posted October 12, 2014 07:20 AM            

Venus to Sun/Venus/Mars.
Period.

Almost.

But he also mentioned treating the ASC as "Mars-point" and the DESC as "Venus-point".

While i find that first check up very valuable, I think it is simply the first step, or actually
the second step. My list would look a little different.

Starting with the individual natal progressions.

- progressed Sun/Moon-cycle plus are there any Sun/Moon-aspects, either p-p or p-n? When will they peak?
What is the progressed and natal Sun/Moon-mp doing?

- progressed Venus/Mars-cycle (same questions as above)

- progressed Sun/Venus-cycle possibly as well, and eventual aspects

- progressed cycle of natal ASC and DESC-ruler
(that Jupiter-Venus keeps on coming up throughout, I just made a short check of my friend and her partner, and again the Venus-Jupiter, this time as opposition, came up, he has a SAgittarius ASC and Venus is her intercepted 5th house ruler, so time and time again that Venus-Jupiter comes up, and for some reason those people have Jupiter ruling an angle, usually ASC ro DESC)

- what planets become angular (conjunction to the angles) and thus highlight the urge for manifestation in physical reality?

- 4th harmonic aspects to the Vertex? Those seem to have to be exact (on the same degree roughly) - is a turning-point imminent?

always keeping in mind what Noel Tyl said (Davison did so, too, and some others), and I have found that over and over to be true.

NOTHING of importance (and lastingness) happens unless the angles or luminaries are involved (and we are talking about conjunction, opposition, square here).

Why? Because they bring change, or the energy for change.
Of course trines and sextiles have their roles as well, they just do not push for change, they are great in steadying if the change has taken place. Second phase so to speak.

I would see one exception here, and that is when we have a harmonic triangle (tight, 1 or 2 degrees tops) of the so called soft aspects. I am not sure yet, but I could imagine that these weill bring change as well, maybe in a little smoother way, more flowing into the next phase, then the stop-Hu?-what-just-happened?- moment the 4th harmonics often bring.

In the case of tight orbed harmonic triangles we have the underlying midpoint picture, which directs and focuses the flowing energy - at least that is my hypothesis.

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that was just my short list for natal progression.

What I find important in terms of synastric progressions, is to check how the other person links to our vital natal progressions.

Let`s say I have two veryy important progresed cycles nearing their peak moment, for example a pr Sun-Venus conjunction along with a pr New Moon, and the other person does not aspect any of these, this does not bode well I think.
There might be exceptions to that, if the other person has different outstanding aspects to my progressed charts, especially Venus or DESC-ruler progressions to the angles or luminaries, but in general, if this person does not link to my progressed cycles, they might simply have nothing or not much to do with my life in a more lasting sense.

posted October 12, 2014 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Now the next question would be: how does a good progressed synastry look like?

We have a full synastry so I suppose we can't look at just one or two aspects: we need to look at everything between progressed natals and progressed + natal synastry: all aspects, house overlays, progressed rulers etc because the progressed natal is a full chart, especially if someone considers it tells the whole story of our current needs/evolution?

How do you evaluate a progressed synastry as being good and showing compatibility, what do we look for?

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This is where Westran comes in. So long as the planets that brought you together keep communication with each other, or replaced by another duo or complex.