posted October 22, 2014 06:36 PM            

I just realized that my marriage is sort of Neptunian. (With the transiting Libra stellium here, I'm finally examining my charts a little more closely.)

The Neptune theme just sank in as all this came together...

In composite:

-Scorpio NN conjunct Neptune (My NN is conjunct composite Neptune.)
-Neptune semisextile Venus (6 minute orb)
-Neptune trine Cancer Juno-Mars-ASC conjunction (less than 2 orb)
-Neptune sextile Pluto-Uranus (less than 2 orb)
-Neptune trine composite Chiron in Pisces (2 orb)
-Pisces Chiron is the apex of our kite formation, conjunct my natal moon.
-12H composite stellium: Jupiter, Mars, Juno
-Our composite sun is conjunct my husband's natal Neptune (3 orb)

When we got married:
-Tr Neptune in composite 7H
-Tr sun-Mercury-Eros in Pisces
-Tr Pluto conjunct my Neptune
-Tr Neptune conjunct my Mercury

So that counts, right?

posted October 22, 2014 07:52 PM            

I just drew up a chart for when I posted this thread:

Tr sun 29.27 Libra
Hubby's Neptune 29.56 Libra

Honestly, I didn't do that on purpose.

And you know where he is right now? Sailing!

posted October 22, 2014 11:48 PM            

There's also subtle deception just to please the other person, including omission or saying things to please the other person
The lack of will to confront the truth
Ineffectiveness due to inability to communicate in a direct manner
Lack of action

These are my limited experiences

posted October 23, 2014 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I personally love neptune!

When it's good, it's very good. And when it's bad, well, it doesn't matter because you don't know it. :P

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posted October 23, 2014 08:26 AM            

The bad side of Neptunian relationships(IMO, it is present when one or both have an unevolved, lower Neptune):

- intentional deceit
- the Savior-victim complex
-refusal to see reality, sticking to a "fantasy", despite the obvious reality
- swimming together in the " swamp" of Neptune: becoming two drug addicts/alcoholics together, becoming a couple of crooks, deceiving others etc.

The more difficult side of Neptunian relationships (challenges to be overcome in most Neptunian relationships):

- "There'll be projection (good or bad) about what the other person is like when the truth is different " - this is overcome when the two people know each other better
- "There's also subtle deception just to please the other person, including omission or saying things to please the other person" this is overcome if the two people cherish the openness and unconditional love they have, they are no longer afraid to loose it and decide sincerity is the best path
- the need for constant romance/fairytale in the relationship, which doesn't survive if the two people don't fuel this all the time

The good side of Neptunian relationships:

- the need for constant romance/fairytale in the relationship, which doesn't survive if the two people don't fuel this all the time
- ultimate love
-total merging
- fantasy, creativity and inspiration within the couple and for the others
- being sweet, gentle, romantic with the other, wanting to share the magical in everything with them, to make them happy and wanting what's best for them - unconditional love
- mutual devotion to one another and to spiritual/artistic goals/occupations
-timelessness
- true romanticism: the chance to live an ultimate, fairytale, dreamlike relationship doesn't exist without a bit of Neptune

Neptune dissolves what is putrid and perpetuates what is healthy and a seed of truth - just like water sustaining life.

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posted October 23, 2014 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
If negatively aspected
There'll be projection (good or bad) about what the other person is like when the truth is different

There's also subtle deception just to please the other person, including omission or saying things to please the other person
The lack of will to confront the truth
Ineffectiveness due to inability to communicate in a direct manner
Lack of action

These are my limited experiences

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Yeah that's my marriage! I don't know if Neptune is negatively aspected...lemme think...and check the charts.

In composite, Neptune has no afflictions. It is part of that kite formation I mentioned (actually there are overlapping kites, with conjunctions at each point.) Composite Neptune is also conjunct Mercury which I forgot to mention, and that gives us a bit of psychic rapport. It also makes any deception painful because it's like a half-deception: the other person will sense something is up and be bothered by it.

His NN 15 Scorpio
Composite NN 17 Scorpio
Composite Mercury 18 Scorpio
My NN 20 Scorpio
Composite Neptune 21 Scorpio

^^ Since this is happening in Scorpio, there is a temptation to deceive along with a strict resistance to it, ending up in control issues, ie "I don't do that because my husband/wife doesn't like it, and I don't want to fight, and I don't want to lie. So here I am, controlled/sacrificing."

In synastry, his Saturn is conjunct my Neptune (5 orb) which gives us a bit of grounding...or makes the delusions permanent. (?) His Saturn is tightly conjunct my Venus, which is significant here because I have Venus conjunct Neptune natally (and a Pisces moon, and my sun ruled by & in mutual reception with 12H Saturn.) 'Makes sense that I end up in a Neptunian marriage.

My Neptune is trine his sun.

Here's where some trouble is:

His Neptune is on my IC, squaring my Saturn pretty tightly (less than 1 orb.) It also squares my Mercury (and opposes my MC obviously.)

posted October 23, 2014 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

- intentional deceit
- the Savior-victim complex
-refusal to see reality, sticking to a "fantasy", despite the obvious reality
- swimming together in the " swamp" of Neptune: becoming two drug addicts/alcoholics together, becoming a couple of crooks, deceiving others etc.

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Some of this...maybe not as drastic as other Neptune couples, because I'm a Cap and he's a Leo, and it's not our style to just flop down and capitulate to inertia. We're not into substance abuse either.

We each have 5H Neptune, so there's composite 5H Neptune, and we are confused about child-rearing...do we do this or that, do we attend church or not...should we be more strict or be like hippies and "trust the process"?

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
- the need for constant romance/fairytale in the relationship, which doesn't survive if the two people don't fuel this all the time

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This explains why we are so affectionate through thick and thin...no matter what happens we are really sweet together sometimes. I know other couples don't have that and I'm thankful for it.

posted October 23, 2014 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

^^ Since this is happening in Scorpio, there is a temptation to deceive along with a strict resistance to it, ending up in control issues, ie "I don't do that because my husband/wife doesn't like it, and I don't want to fight, and I don't want to lie. So here I am, controlled/sacrificing."

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I'm not sure about that, I mean I'm not trying to judge here, but I don't believe in lies and deception, whenever we lie, we create a crumbling future for ourselves. Everything built on lies is doomed to fail.

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Problem is, it feels like betrayal to talk about regular problems...as if it's going to destroy that fairy tale.

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I agree, this could be quite a challenge. Perhaps doing it as a fun game might help??

posted October 23, 2014 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
She asked me the other day if I would go to her future wedding... I said yes and in my head I'm like "No...?"

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Why wouldn't you go to your friend's wedding, if you are her friend?

posted October 23, 2014 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Why wouldn't you go to your friend's wedding, if you are her friend?

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Well I said I'm not sure if I should call her friend. The wedding is just hypothetical because we both are young and I will move out of my current state within 10 months while she's eventually gonna stay in this state because she's very close to her family.

The thing about neptune is it feels nice at first but a high saturn/uranus person like gets annoyed once I seethe deception (which I contribute to) and I feel like this whole fog is just a pretense until I eventually move out.
I have been a lot clearer about the deception in our relationship on both our parts. She's a neptunian cap which basically means that she would put up all the fogs to keep her image and reputation. She is also very insecure. I wouldn't point it out to her because neptune is supposed to be nice. So the saturn in me says this is bull!

I don't mean to turn this thread into venting. Our composite has neptune conjunct MC square Mars-Asc conjunct. So yeah...

posted October 23, 2014 11:35 AM            

To be honest and blunt, what you're doing here is badmouthing a friend whom you don't consider a friend and for whom you're obviously a fake friend.

Blaming a planet or a composite when this is happening, as if you have no choice in the matter...

Personally, I cant stand it, when people blame such a beautiful planet like Neptune well, they are all beautiful, for their bad choices and their questionable, fake behavior.

Planets do not determine our behavior, they only reflect how we are inside, for good and for bad, that's why each planet has a dark and positive side because the choice is ours.

posted October 23, 2014 12:48 PM            

I never said anything pertaining to her characters (liar, mean - for examples are more accusatory terms -and I think she is nhe neurally nice). I just said she has some self esteem issue and instead if being honest like how I treat other, I say things to please her and not contribute to conflicts...

I don't blame neptune. I blamed neptune negatively aspected to mars and Asc.

That said! I don't think I should really complain about anything on here as it brings negative energy. The nature of any if my relationships are more complicated any way.

posted October 23, 2014 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Personally, I cant stand it, when people blame such a beautiful planet like Neptune

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Yeah but you have to admit, it presents its own challenges. And we can't always prevail against them...it's hard to climb an obstacle course in the half-light.

posted October 23, 2014 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm not sure about that, I mean I'm not trying to judge here, but I don't believe in lies and deception, whenever we lie, we create a crumbling future for ourselves. Everything built on lies is doomed to fail.

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Do you have Cappy Neptune? You sound so practical.

Let's see, I have Sag Neptune trine/disposited by Aries Jupiter, which is conjunct Chiron in my 9th house.

That's significant on this thread because my husband's Libra Neptune opposes my Aries Chiron. And talking about this hits a very deep nerve.

His Neptunian ideals are strictly religious and a bit scary to me. He honestly thinks my occultic interests are wrong But this is who I am...and the dilemma cuts rights into the Chiron Aries wound: to what extent do you have the right/mandate to be who are? To what extent can you fight for that? Sacrifice for that? Hurt others for that?

It's something I'm still working out.

Mmmm and this song just popped into my head as an anthem for my post

Patience

posted October 23, 2014 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
@Faith: I'm high saturn, uranus , pluto. I have a very neptunian relationship with my current friend/housemate.... Not sure if I should call her friend. After this I'm sooo done with neptune badly aspected to mars, conjunct sun in composite.

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*nods*

posted October 23, 2014 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Do you have Cappy Neptune? You sound so practical.

Let's see, I have Sag Neptune trine/disposited by Aries Jupiter, which is conjunct Chiron in my 9th house.

That's significant on this thread because my husband's Libra Neptune opposes my Aries Chiron. And talking about this hits a very deep nerve.

His Neptunian ideals are strictly religious and a bit scary to me. He honestly thinks my occultic interests are [b]wrong But this is who I am...and the dilemma cuts rights into the Chiron Aries wound: to what extent do you have the right/mandate to be who are? To what extent can you fight for that? Sacrifice for that? Hurt others for that?

It's something I'm still working out.

Mmmm and this song just popped into my head as an anthem for my post

Patience

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Sag Neptune sq Venus (1)
Venus rules my 9th and my IC.
Neptune rules my 2nd.

Has he explained why they are wrong?

It's still good though, if you have philosophical debates :

posted October 23, 2014 03:06 PM            

Deception?

I am honestly jealous.

Well I think if I am ever single again I will do the wise thing and stay single. Join an ashram or something.

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Has he explained why they are wrong?

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He says the Bible is against astrology. A) I disagree. B) I do not care.

Problem is, I used to be religious but have changed, which makes me feel guilty. He didn't anticipate my changing. But it's not like I can revert back to outworn beliefs.

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It's still good though, if you have philosophical debates

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posted October 23, 2014 04:58 PM            

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You know your relationship is Neptunian when...

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I'm afraid my relationship would have no choice but be Neptunian.

posted October 23, 2014 05:02 PM            

What did you mean by "deception"?

At least you're both "spiritual" people

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posted October 23, 2014 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Well I said I'm not sure if I should call her friend. The wedding is just hypothetical because we both are young and I will move out of my current state within 10 months while she's eventually gonna stay in this state because she's very close to her family.

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TBH, I don't see anything particularly bad about this. She talked about a hypothetical wedding and you gave a hypothetical "yes". Is there any reason really to say "no"? It avoids unnecessary hurt and awkwardness. How would it help by telling her no you won't go to her theoretical wedding? When her wedding does come around, then that is when you need to say no.

I don't think everyone needs to be 100% honest about everything all the time. There is nothing wrong with "white lies".

posted October 23, 2014 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
...you smoke weed for breakfast?

I'm afraid my relationship would have no choice but be Neptunian.

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Don't be afraid. Just make sure you live where the weed is cheap and legal, so you can enjoy a safe breakfast without police interference.